Reminder: Anthony Davis doesn't shoot 3's

[Arp590]

Looks like he shot 145 3's last season.

/thread

and was bad at it. bosh and love were better, so it wasn't a ,,,,drumroll,,,"stretch"

"Anthony Davis doesn't shoot 3's"
He stated that Anthony Davis did not shoot 3's, he did not mention whether he shot them efficiency or not.

Heat 2011/12 Championship season - Bosh shot 28.6% from 3.
Heat 2012/13 Championship season - Bosh shot 28.4% from 3.

[MoneyTalks41890]

AD does shoot threes, and he is very good at long 2s. He opens up the floor for Bron. They will be fine. It's the rest of the roster you need to worry about.

[BNM]

Still waiting for the:

Reminder: Giannis Antetokounmpo doesn't shoot 3's
Reminder: Joel Embiid doesn't shoot 3's
Reminder: Nikola Jokic doesn't shoot 3's
Reminder: Jusuf Nurkic doesn't shoot 3's
Reminder: Rudy Gobert doesn't shoot 3's

threads.

Like Davis, none of those big men shoot a lot of 3-pointers and they all actually shoot them at a lower 3FG% than Davis. Yet, like Davis, they were all in the top 12 in player impact as measured by PIPM.

Here are the top 12 in PIPM from last season:



Here's how they shot the 3:

Anthony Davis - 48/145 = .331 3FG%
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 52/203 = .256 3FG%
Joel Embiid - 79/263 = .300 3FG%
Nikola Jokic - 83/270 = .307 3FG%
Jusuf Nurkic - 3/29 = .103 3FG%
Rudy Gobert - 0/0 = undefined 3FG%

Big men who who can't/don't shoot the 3 can still be some of the most impactful players in the game, especially if they are also elite defenders. Even in the modern NBA, there are still other things that matter (defense, rebounding, passing, etc.) and all of the guys listed above bring elite skills to their teams, in spite of their lack of 3-point proficiency. Anthony Davis is no exception.

[Chi Dynasty12]

Bosh didn't average over one 3pt made / game until after LeBron left Miami

[Joshyjess]

The 3pt shooting era is over. Golden State is done.

Look at how many teams have massive, twin tower frontcourts. This is the future of the league.

The Clippers are the best team in the NBA, and both their superstars shoot 3s, and are not even close to being 'twin towers'

It's not possible to be the "best team in the NBA" during the off season.

Sure there is, just ask Boston about it. We saw how well that worked out last year!!!

[NjtoBk201]

At what exactly they easily had the most prolific off season evAr.

Thats debateable

Brooklyn still had a better off-season

Clips added 2 of the best players in the world but gave up a metric ton for one of them

Brooklyn also added 2 of the best players in the world and gave up nothing to do it

You realize KD tore his Achilles right?

you realize he is going to play again right ?

[UcanUwill]

yes, yes he does, he shoots 3s. Was this thread even made by a basketball fan?

[iLLmatic860]

Thats debateable

Brooklyn still had a better off-season

Clips added 2 of the best players in the world but gave up a metric ton for one of them

Brooklyn also added 2 of the best players in the world and gave up nothing to do it

You realize KD tore his Achilles right?

you realize he is going to play again right ?

Lol hes never gonna be the same and you know it

[lakerz12]

My god i was still in high school when the Spurs won in '99. And the Triangle hasn't been usuable in almost 20 years. You are talking about a sport that has ceased to exist. Back then we considered guys like Allan Houston elite shooters. Now people's centers can shoot better than him. Whole different world man.

How'd that "TwiN Towers" go with Boogie/AD? Heck , How'd it go with any of the teams who tried it the last decade?

The Lakers are meat if they play a frontline of Lebron, AD, and Dwight in 2019. They're Beyond Meat.

Right because Gasol, Siakam, Ibaka were such a lethal shooting front court.

And Draymond Green and McGee before that...such sharp shooters.

Can you give me one example of a team being championship level due to great front court three point shooting?

You're dreaming dude.

Sure... like every team practically the past decade?


Kevin Love
Chris Bosh
Kevin Durant
Kawhi Leonard
Harrison Barnes

Any of these guys ring a bell?


I'm not gonna start listing off everybody because it will make your argument look worse if we're talking about guys like Shane Battier, Mike Miller, and Matt Bonner.

Kevin Love is your only decent example.

1) Chris Bosh was not a great 3 point shooter. He only started shooting a significant amount of threes in his last 3 seasons. AD could eventually do that as well.

2) Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard are not comparable to AD. They are wing players.

3) Harrison Barnes - he's a role player. I said "a team being championship level due to great front court three point shooting". You should have said Dirk. He'd be a better example for you.

Shane Battier, Mike Miller, and Matt Bonner are all role players and not similar to AD.

Here are my examples of modern era championship front court players who did not shoot 3s and played a KEY role in their team winning:

Hakeem
Shaq
Tim Duncan
David Robinson
Ben Wallace
Pau Gasol
Lamar Odom (barely shot 3s)
Kevin Garnett

Just to name a few. My list is way more impressive than yours! These are actual front court players who would still be great today, just like AD is.

Also for examples in today's game see the post above: Giannis Antetokounmpo .256 3FG%, Joel Embiid .300 3FG%, Nikola Jokic .307 3FG%, Jusuf Nurkic .103 3FG%, Rudy Gobert - 0/0 3FG%

Your argument is just awful!

[Amare_1_Knicks]

The good news is that he doesn’t need to shoot too many 3’s. No chance he gets relegated to being a spot up mid range/3 point shooter the way that Bosh and Love did.

Nonetheless, he CAN shoot the 3. As many others have mentioned already, he shot 145 last season at 33%, and 162 the year before at 34%. That’s more than enough to keep defenses honest.

[NjtoBk201]

You realize KD tore his Achilles right?

you realize he is going to play again right ?

Lol hes never gonna be the same and you know it

He'll never be a Knick and you know it

[Catchall]

Davis shoots some 3s, just not a lot. He's more of a pick-and-roll, pick-and-pop player. Having a solid stretch-5 like Vucevic would have made the Lakers almost impossible to guard. Instead they brought in Javale McGee and now Dwight Howard to gum up the paint.

[JellosJigglin]

Davis shoots some 3s, just not a lot. He's more of a pick-and-roll, pick-and-pop player. Having a solid stretch-5 like Vucevic would have made the Lakers almost impossible to guard. Instead they brought in Javale McGee and now Dwight Howard to gum up the paint.

I think defensively it will work well having AD/McGee or AD/Howard. Vogel is a defensive coach and that's a lot of shot blocking. AD doesn't want to bang in the paint so you can't really put the blame on the Lakers. They have to build a team around their stars. AD already said he'll play more center in the playoffs.

Love and Bosh were the 3rd options on their teams, so I don't really see the comparison. Someone had to stretch the floor with Wade/Lebron and Irving/Lebron handling the ball most of the time. On this team AD will have the ball as much as Wade and Irving, if not more. Vogel already said he's going to run a lot of the offense through AD. They won't need him to park behind the 3 point line. Lazy comparison.

[Sandman88]

The 3pt shooting era is over. Golden State is done.

Look at how many teams have massive, twin tower frontcourts. This is the future of the league.

The Clippers are the best team in the NBA, and both their superstars shoot 3s, and are not even close to being 'twin towers'

A one legged kawhi, a star who gets owned in the playoffs by joe ingles, and a lack of a point guard or any semblance of playmaking qualify you as the best team in the league now?

[BigRedDog]

Right because Gasol, Siakam, Ibaka were such a lethal shooting front court.

And Draymond Green and McGee before that...such sharp shooters.

Can you give me one example of a team being championship level due to great front court three point shooting?

You're dreaming dude.

Sure... like every team practically the past decade?


Kevin Love
Chris Bosh
Kevin Durant
Kawhi Leonard
Harrison Barnes

Any of these guys ring a bell?


I'm not gonna start listing off everybody because it will make your argument look worse if we're talking about guys like Shane Battier, Mike Miller, and Matt Bonner.

Kevin Love is your only decent example.

1) Chris Bosh was not a great 3 point shooter. He only started shooting a significant amount of threes in his last 3 seasons. AD could eventually do that as well.

2) Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard are not comparable to AD. They are wing players.

3) Harrison Barnes - he's a role player. I said "a team being championship level due to great front court three point shooting". You should have said Dirk. He'd be a better example for you.

Shane Battier, Mike Miller, and Matt Bonner are all role players and not similar to AD.

Here are my examples of modern era championship front court players who did not shoot 3s and played a KEY role in their team winning:

Hakeem
Shaq
Tim Duncan
David Robinson
Ben Wallace
Pau Gasol
Lamar Odom (barely shot 3s)
Kevin Garnett

Just to name a few. My list is way more impressive than yours! These are actual front court players who would still be great today, just like AD is.

Also for examples in today's game see the post above: Giannis Antetokounmpo .256 3FG%, Joel Embiid .300 3FG%, Nikola Jokic .307 3FG%, Jusuf Nurkic .103 3FG%, Rudy Gobert - 0/0 3FG%

Your argument is just awful!

You missed the point.

#1) None of those guys are from the modern era they are from a bygone era.


Pluging a non-shooting big like Howard out there with a light shooting big like AD, and a light shooting group of cast members like Kuzma, Rondo, etc is a recipe for underahieving offensively.

[NO-KG-AI]

Anyone that thinks leaving Davis open from anywhere is a good idea is in for a longggg night.


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[killmongrel]

Anthony Davis not being being a great 3 point shooter is not a problem. It's the fact that he doesn't like playing the 5 and the Lakers' does not have an elite 3 point shooter on their team that can be on their closing lineup.

[BigRedDog]

Anthony Davis not being being a great 3 point shooter is not a problem. It's the fact that he doesn't like playing the 5 and the Lakers' does not have an elite 3 point shooter on their team that can be on their closing lineup.

Right. It's not like im saying "you can't win with Anthony Davis". I"m just saying you don't want to pair him with a non-shooter in the frontcourt. That's just a misallocation of resources.


He can play the 5 and it solves everything.

Now obviously to keep him healthy he doesnt need to play all 2600 minutes at the 5. The Lakers can play other guys at the 5. They just need to be shooters when paired with Davis at the 4...

[SF_Warriors]

Sure... like every team practically the past decade?


Kevin Love
Chris Bosh
Kevin Durant
Kawhi Leonard
Harrison Barnes

Any of these guys ring a bell?


I'm not gonna start listing off everybody because it will make your argument look worse if we're talking about guys like Shane Battier, Mike Miller, and Matt Bonner.

Kevin Love is your only decent example.

1) Chris Bosh was not a great 3 point shooter. He only started shooting a significant amount of threes in his last 3 seasons. AD could eventually do that as well.

2) Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard are not comparable to AD. They are wing players.

3) Harrison Barnes - he's a role player. I said "a team being championship level due to great front court three point shooting". You should have said Dirk. He'd be a better example for you.



Shane Battier, Mike Miller, and Matt Bonner are all role players and not similar to AD.

Here are my examples of modern era championship front court players who did not shoot 3s and played a KEY role in their team winning:

Hakeem
Shaq
Tim Duncan
David Robinson
Ben Wallace
Pau Gasol
Lamar Odom (barely shot 3s)
Kevin Garnett

Just to name a few. My list is way more impressive than yours! These are actual front court players who would still be great today, just like AD is.

Also for examples in today's game see the post above: Giannis Antetokounmpo .256 3FG%, Joel Embiid .300 3FG%, Nikola Jokic .307 3FG%, Jusuf Nurkic .103 3FG%, Rudy Gobert - 0/0 3FG%

Your argument is just awful!

You missed the point.

#1) None of those guys are from the modern era they are from a bygone era.


Pluging a non-shooting big like Howard out there with a light shooting big like AD, and a light shooting group of cast members like Kuzma, Rondo, etc is a recipe for underahieving offensively.

2019: Gasol/Siakam/Ibaka
2018: Draymond/Javale
2017: Draymond/Zaza
2016: Love/Thompson
2015: Draymond/ Bogut
2014: Duncan/Diaw/Splitter
2013: Bosh/Battier
2012: Bosh/Battier
2011: Gasol/Odom/Bynum

Which of these frontcourts had good three point shooters? Love but he pales way in comparison to AD as a player. Possibly Siakam..
What the lakers lack is a good shooting perimeter player that can create shots that is not lebron. Its not because "AD can't shoot threes"

That is a moronic take and AD is as good or better than any frontcourt player that has won a championship in the past decade plus.

Guys like Kawhi and KD are not frontcourt players. They are perimeter players like LBJ.

If we replace AD with the best three point shooting big in the league, they would be worse off. Replace AD with prime kevin love and they would not be any more title favorites than they are now and would be a much worse team. Again, only someone with limited basketball analytical abilities would attribute the lakers weaknesses to AD not being able to shoot threes. Just an absolute lazy, un-knowledgeable take.

[Ayt]

You always want as much shooting as possible, but Toronto's frontcourt didn't light it up last year in the Finals.

Siakam: 5-21 (24%)
Gasol: 6-19 (32%)
Ibaka: 2-6 (33%)

Collectively that is only 28% from the frontcourt.