Celtics General Thread 2019-20, "Re-Start"

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no one will give more than a random first round and a useful bench player for sabonis. He is just a 3 big coming from the bench in his RFA year, the market for this type of C is very small, only about 3-4 teams will offer something for him.

Then they're fools. He's a winning player and at 6-11 he's not a wing.

Kelly Olynyk got a decent payday and I think Sabonis is better.

Sabonis came in second on 6th man voting as a 22yo big. That's pretty decent.

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Talk about the team needing a fresh start:

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/mike-gorman-saw-dysfunction-season-started-2018-celtics

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Don't know who this person is. But just about every single team in the league should be interested in KAT.


Hayward, romeo, grant, semi, theis, picks
For
Towns and Wiggins.

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YEah I hope that's not true. KAT is overrated.

Overrated?
How?

By scoring in the 24s and rebounding in the 12s?
By getting 3.5apg?
By shooting 40% from three?
By scoring in the post?

Kid is a beast.

[Higgs Boston]

KAT is a beast on offense and he makes other Cs look like beasts on offense, he is incredible.

[100proof]

KAT is a beast on offense and he makes other Cs look like beasts on offense, he is incredible.

The defense thing is grossly overrated.



Ranks just behind Jokic in BPM, ahead of Embiid, horford and alot of peoples favorite Sabonis
KAT Ranks ahead of Jokic, Embiis and Sabonis, in DWS

He gives you massive offensive gains and gives up less offensively that he gives you, by a rate only matched by Jokic, his BPM is even better than Davis

[Higgs Boston]

KAT is a beast on offense and he makes other Cs look like beasts on offense, he is incredible.

The defense thing is grossly overrated.



Ranks just behind Jokic in BPM, ahead of Embiid, horford and alot of peoples favorite Sabonis
KAT Ranks ahead of Jokic, Embiis and Sabonis, in DWS

He gives you massive offensive gains and gives up less offensively that he gives you, by a rate only matched by Jokic, his BPM is even better than Davis

The fact his bpm is better than Davis already should make you realize that bpm isn't a reliable and realistic stat. But if you want to focus on bpm then check his dbpm during his career, it's average, and that is without taking into account that dbpm usually overrates bigs defense.

[100proof]

KAT is a beast on offense and he makes other Cs look like beasts on offense, he is incredible.

The defense thing is grossly overrated.



Ranks just behind Jokic in BPM, ahead of Embiid, horford and alot of peoples favorite Sabonis
KAT Ranks ahead of Jokic, Embiis and Sabonis, in DWS

He gives you massive offensive gains and gives up less offensively that he gives you, by a rate only matched by Jokic, his BPM is even better than Davis

The fact his bpm is better than Davis already should make you realize that bpm isn't a reliable and realistic stat. But if you want to focus on bpm then check his dbpm during his career, it's average, and that is without taking into account that dbpm usually overrates bigs defense.

As I stated, the references to his defense are overrated, and that he gives you alot more than he gives up. I am not stating he is a game changer defensively, but he is average. Add to that him being a game changer offensively though and you have a great player. A star.

[Triple7]

KAT is a beast on offense and he makes other Cs look like beasts on offense, he is incredible.

The defense thing is grossly overrated.



Ranks just behind Jokic in BPM, ahead of Embiid, horford and alot of peoples favorite Sabonis
KAT Ranks ahead of Jokic, Embiis and Sabonis, in DWS

He gives you massive offensive gains and gives up less offensively that he gives you, by a rate only matched by Jokic, his BPM is even better than Davis

I like KAT as well. He’s not that bad defensively. I have him at fantasy last year, and he had a couple of games with 4 or more blocks. He can be good if he wants to.

[SmartWentCrazy]

KAT was a lot better at defense last year. And he’s probably the most offensively skilled center ever— the last two years his shooting splits have been 53/41/85 which is just absurd for a center.

Minny isnt trading him for at least three years so this pipe dream needs to be abandoned.

[sully00]

The defense thing is grossly overrated.



Ranks just behind Jokic in BPM, ahead of Embiid, horford and alot of peoples favorite Sabonis
KAT Ranks ahead of Jokic, Embiis and Sabonis, in DWS

He gives you massive offensive gains and gives up less offensively that he gives you, by a rate only matched by Jokic, his BPM is even better than Davis

The fact his bpm is better than Davis already should make you realize that bpm isn't a reliable and realistic stat. But if you want to focus on bpm then check his dbpm during his career, it's average, and that is without taking into account that dbpm usually overrates bigs defense.

As I stated, the references to his defense are overrated, and that he gives you alot more than he gives up. I am not stating he is a game changer defensively, but he is average. Add to that him being a game changer offensively though and you have a great player. A star.

My problem with Towns at this point is he is a stat whore. A little bit like Cousins a lot light Dwight Howard (who for a time was great defensively). He is like the complete opposite of Al Horford. I am not sure that if you told Towns that he could chose between scoring 20ppg and winning he would chose winning. Kid is a great talent and I think he has a better mental make up than Cousins and Howard but something is tad off. I have watched him go nuts in the second half of games when his team is down 20 ppg too often to feel like he is the guy you got to have. Not saying it is all his fault and if he was available I would be interested I just wouldn't confuse that pursuit with KG or even Anthony Davis.

[5InOfLouisville]

I think KAT on a winning team with a good culture would be perceived completely differently

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I think KAT on a winning team with a good culture would be perceived completely differently

Sure I am just not paying for it. "He would be good on a good team" has a certain price and "I can believe that guy can win games with that dumpster fire" has another price.

[5InOfLouisville]

I think KAT on a winning team with a good culture would be perceived completely differently

Sure I am just not paying for it. "He would be good on a good team" has a certain price and "I can believe that guy can win games with that dumpster fire" has another price.

i get it, and i dont think hes a sure thing, but IMO, he has top 5 player in the league upside. If he can be had, you have him.

BUT, what gives me a little pause is the fact that he hasn't really elevated his team, which you expect from a top 5 player. of course, who knows how garbage they are without him.

[Turgon]

Then they're fools. He's a winning player and at 6-11 he's not a wing.

Kelly Olynyk got a decent payday and I think Sabonis is better.

Sabonis came in second on 6th man voting as a 22yo big. That's pretty decent.

I'm with Curmudgeon on this one. Love Sabonis and his potential.

I'm on record suggesting trading Brown for him. Now that both are getting an extension that's not possible anymore, at least not this year (and he's only getting 4/75)

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I think KAT on a winning team with a good culture would be perceived completely differently

Sure I am just not paying for it. "He would be good on a good team" has a certain price and "I can believe that guy can win games with that dumpster fire" has another price.

i get it, and i dont think hes a sure thing, but IMO, he has top 5 player in the league upside. If he can be had, you have him.

BUT, what gives me a little pause is the fact that he hasn't really elevated his team, which you expect from a top 5 player. of course, who knows how garbage they are without him.

Absolutely he is going to give you that 20/10 and if I can have him for Langford and the Memphis pick and some lesser assets all day long. If we are talking about packaging up Tatum and Brown with a bunch of other stuff forget it especially if it involves Carsen Edwards.

[ParticleMan]

wouldn't be surprised to hear rumblings about KAT/covington for tatum/hayward at the deadline.

[Darth Celtic]

wouldn't be surprised to hear rumblings about KAT/covington for tatum/hayward at the deadline.

Not even sure what to say about that.

i'd probably do it, probably.

[5InOfLouisville]

Sure I am just not paying for it. "He would be good on a good team" has a certain price and "I can believe that guy can win games with that dumpster fire" has another price.

i get it, and i dont think hes a sure thing, but IMO, he has top 5 player in the league upside. If he can be had, you have him.

BUT, what gives me a little pause is the fact that he hasn't really elevated his team, which you expect from a top 5 player. of course, who knows how garbage they are without him.

Absolutely he is going to give you that 20/10 and if I can have him for Langford and the Memphis pick and some lesser assets all day long. If we are talking about packaging up Tatum and Brown with a bunch of other stuff forget it especially if it involves Carsen Edwards.

I think im with you. you know i like JB, but if he is the centerpiece, i trade him for KAT.