IF YOU DONT LIKE THAT YOU DONT LIKE (UPDATE: he fired himself)

[Ambrose]

All Lives Matter is not a racist comment. Dismissive? Yes. Misses the point? Yes. Racist? Absolutely not. The definition of racism hasn't changed.

[UcanUwill]

Is it really about "Black Lives Matter"?

If it were, what about the ~2,800 homicides every year to black Americans?

90% committed by other African Americans.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

Why doesn't LeBron ever tweet about that? Do their lives not matter?

It seems like this is actually about "The White Man is at Fault" or "The Police is at Fault" or "[White] America is at fault".

Apparently it's like the N word where if you're black, you're allowed to use it. Likewise if you're black, you're allowed to kill another black person without creating a movement or a protest.

Movement is about racism, not just crime. Obviously black man killing other black man is a crime not based on racist hatred. How can you protest concept of crime, like you protest issue of racism? Unlike crime, racism often is accepted, or at least its overlook, or not seen as criminal, and thats what people protest.

[homecourtloss]

Can someone provide context instead of some tweets? I've heard many people say 'All lives matter' but it doesn't mean they're racist.
I get that, at this moment, it's about black lives but what happened that Cousins called this guy out during a sensitive time?

If you're saying 'All Lives Matter' as a response to "Black Lives Matter" yes, you are racist.

That’s an either or fallacy.

[King4Day]

Can someone provide context instead of some tweets? I've heard many people say 'All lives matter' but it doesn't mean they're racist.
I get that, at this moment, it's about black lives but what happened that Cousins called this guy out during a sensitive time?

If you're saying 'All Lives Matter' as a response to "Black Lives Matter" yes, you are racist.

They could also be uneducated. But to label someone a racist is pretty harsh without knowing the person and the things they've said and done. Thus my question.

[mabundo_nagumbe]

I dont get it, whats wrong what he said?

Saying "All lives matter" is a big no-no. It assumes everyone is being treated equally to begin with. He's also white and doesn't understand that he has privileges that black people don't get. You're pretty much asking to get destroyed by the internet if you say it.

Discussion on Grant Napear and the scumbag he is. those who know, know. terrible commentator, worse human being

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It's a sensitive topic at the moment. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with what was said. He's actually showing solidarity.

My take is that some of the players (in response) don't seem to like the guy all that much. For what reason? I don't know. But, it's never really a good idea to start a war on twitter & to label the guy a racist. That's childish behavior

I think it's not a bad idea to call him out if he IS a racist, people should know who they are dealing with

But from what I read, I didn't see anything that would suggest he is racist. If he doesn't like DMC, that's fine. And if he doesn't understand that BLM is a political movement, he is most likely just another idiot

[HEKTOR]

Is it really about "Black Lives Matter"?

If it were, what about the ~2,800 homicides every year to black Americans?

90% committed by other African Americans.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

Why doesn't LeBron ever tweet about that? Do their lives not matter?

It seems like this is actually about "The White Man is at Fault" or "The Police is at Fault" or "[White] America is at fault".

Apparently it's like the N word where if you're black, you're allowed to use it. Likewise if you're black, you're allowed to kill another black person without creating a movement or a protest.

It doesn't fit with the racial narrative.

[Cactus Jack]

But from what I read, I didn't see anything that would suggest he is racist.

All Lives Matter is not a racist comment. Dismissive? Yes. Misses the point? Yes. Racist? Absolutely not. The definition of racism hasn't changed.

[homecourtloss]

Is it really about "Black Lives Matter"?

If it were, what about the ~2,800 homicides every year to black Americans?

90% committed by other African Americans.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

Why doesn't LeBron ever tweet about that? Do their lives not matter?

It seems like this is actually about "The White Man is at Fault" or "The Police is at Fault" or "[White] America is at fault".

Apparently it's like the N word where if you're black, you're allowed to use it. Likewise if you're black, you're allowed to kill another black person without creating a movement or a protest.

Movement is about racism, not just crime. Obviously black man killing other black man is a crime not based on racist hatred. How can you protest concept of crime, like you protest issue of racism? Unlike crime, racism often is accepted, or at least its overlook, or not seen as criminal, and thats what people protest.

I’m all for protesting targeted police brutality and racist policies, but if we woke up tomorrow and there was no police brutality and no racism, the black community would still be ****. We need the energy we’re seeing right now directed at what’s really ails our communities.

For too long, we have given away our votes to a party that hates us and has infantilized us and made so many of our communities dependent on it. They would never want for their own people and communities what they consider acceptable for black communities knowing full well that the policies helped shape where we are today. And we just give them our vote.

Malcolm X said: “The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn't taken, tricked or deceived by the white liberal, then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America, the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man."

And you see today what gets painted as our biggest concern when in reality, our communities have other concerns that keep us from rising and expend our social capital on things like this

[Invictus88]

Can someone provide context instead of some tweets? I've heard many people say 'All lives matter' but it doesn't mean they're racist.
I get that, at this moment, it's about black lives but what happened that Cousins called this guy out during a sensitive time?

If you're saying 'All Lives Matter' as a response to "Black Lives Matter" yes, you are racist.

They could also be uneducated. But to label someone a racist is pretty harsh without knowing the person and the things they've said and done. Thus my question.

The problem is it's pretty hard to be uneducated unless you've had your head completely in the sand for the past three days. Possible I guess? But I think there are more plausible explanations that have been presented.

It's the reason why even bringing up the idea of being naive as a counterpoint in this thread is suspect. Posters likely have enough context just by reading even a small sampling of the posts to be 'educated'. The media saturation basically makes that train of thought look a lot like searching for excuses to bad behavior...

[HEKTOR]

Movement is about racism, not just crime. Obviously black man killing other black man is a crime not based on racist hatred. How can you protest concept of crime, like you protest issue of racism? Unlike crime, racism often is accepted, or at least its overlook, or not seen as criminal, and thats what people protest.

So, is it enough for the perpetrator to be white and the victim black for it to be racist? Is it possible for a white person to say/do something negative (for the lack of a better word) to a POC and it not be racist? When? How do we know?
You realize that there is no evidence of George Floyd's murder being racially motivated, right? Or again, is it simply enough that the cop was white and Floyd was black?

[Invictus88]

Movement is about racism, not just crime. Obviously black man killing other black man is a crime not based on racist hatred. How can you protest concept of crime, like you protest issue of racism? Unlike crime, racism often is accepted, or at least its overlook, or not seen as criminal, and thats what people protest.

So, is it enough for the perpetrator to be white and the victim black for it to be racist? Is it possible for a white person to say/do something negative (for the lack of a better word) to a POC and it not be racist? When? How do we know?
You realize that there is no evidence of George Floyd's murder being racially motivated, right? Or again, is it simply enough that the cop was white and Floyd was black?

If you are looking at it through the lens of just the Floyd incident then you are really missing the boat. It's about a repeated pattern of abuse and lack of punishment for that abuse. The Floyd incident is just the latest case of this; and it happens to be on video for everyone to see.

[HEKTOR]

I’m all for protesting targeted police brutality and racist policies, but if we woke up tomorrow and there was no police brutality and no racism, the black community would still be ****. We need the energy we’re seeing right now directed at what’s really ails our communities.

For too long, we have given away our votes to a party that hates us and has infantilized us and made so many of our communities dependent on it. They would never want for their own people and communities what they consider acceptable for black communities knowing full well that the policies helped shape where we are today. And we just give them our vote.

Malcolm X said: “The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that have perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn't taken, tricked or deceived by the white liberal, then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America, the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man."

And you see today what gets painted as our biggest concern when in reality, our communities have other concerns that keep us from rising and expend our social capital on things like this

Nice post. I think what gets overlooked time and time again is that these are multi-varied problems that require multi-varied solutions however people are looking at these issues as though there is only one variable (racism) and thus only one solution (overcoming systemic racism). What would it be like if the MSM were to come out and not make these incidents out to be solely about race? What if they were to talk about police brutality that affects people of all colors, that more personal responsibility needs to be taken on all sides. Talk about coming together to find solutions instead of using identity politics that only divides us further and helps us devolve closer to tribalism.

[HEKTOR]

Movement is about racism, not just crime. Obviously black man killing other black man is a crime not based on racist hatred. How can you protest concept of crime, like you protest issue of racism? Unlike crime, racism often is accepted, or at least its overlook, or not seen as criminal, and thats what people protest.

So, is it enough for the perpetrator to be white and the victim black for it to be racist? Is it possible for a white person to say/do something negative (for the lack of a better word) to a POC and it not be racist? When? How do we know?
You realize that there is no evidence of George Floyd's murder being racially motivated, right? Or again, is it simply enough that the cop was white and Floyd was black?

If you are looking at it through the lens of just the Floyd incident then you are really missing the boat. It's about a repeated pattern of abuse and lack of punishment for that abuse. The Floyd incident is just the latest case of this; and it happens to be on video for everyone to see.

Can you answer my questions though?
It's not just about Floyd it's about other instances too. Justice is being served in the case of Floyd, no? The cops were fired, the cop who killed him was arrested and is being prosecuted. What more can be done? Have cops always been prosecuted? No, and again, not just when it applies to black lives. I don't believe it's right but I can understand that cops have a difficult job and thus I can understand the legal protection that they would have. Unfortunately, that often means that many of them can get off when they shouldn't. How do we fix that? Probably by more/stricter/better police training. However, that's only one side of the coin. The other side (not being race-specific) needs fixing too, whether it be the education, culture, the family unit, drugs, alcohol, poverty, etc. Again, there are many factors.

[DavidSterned]

1. Again, if you believe the responses to them are equal then I don't know what to tell you. They weren't equal and that should be fairly obvious. BLM is a pretty large umbrella so I'm sure many, many folks involved cared deeply about the Daniel Shaver shooting. And many also did not. I'm not going to assume to generalize everyone involved under that umbrella (that's millions and millions of people).

The responses haven't been anywhere close to the same. Another name worth mentioning is Tony Timpa who was killed by the police in a similar way to George Floyd. Instead of the officer putting his knee across Timpa's neck like what was done to Floyd, his knee was on Timpa's back as he suffocated. I believe Timpa had originally called the police for help as he was off his meds and even feared that the police would "kill him" while they were arresting him. What's even worse is that there were a group of officers and they were making fun of him and laughing about it the whole time. Definitely a tough vid to watch.

2. I don't believe you for a second when you say that you don't care about the media, but okay. The media is a highly influential vessel of the system that you're literally railing against in the next sentence. If you don't think they're critical in framing people's belief structures then you're incredibly naive and myopic.

The media is the root cause for racial divide. They are always talking about race, even in this event with George Floyd. Yet, there is no evidence to suggest that this was racial. The media lied about Michael Brown from Ferguson and as a result of their coverage of his death, riots took place in Ferguson, people were killed, businesses looted and burnt, and the community destroyed.

What's more concerning is that one is not able to have a civil conversation about these things god forbid one actually quotes statistics and raw data that doesn't support the MSM's narrative. People need to start waking up and realize that they are just pawns in this. Racism obviously exists but so does police brutality - regardless of race. More focus should be on this, and education as ideologues pushing identity politics are running rampant in Western educational systems and are only putting more gas on the fire by dividing people as opposed to trying to bring people together. Personal responsibility from all sides should be promoted and perhaps then we can and will see real change.

Well said. I'm not sure when mob mentality and raw, unchecked emotion became held in higher esteem than nuanced conversation that incorporates multiple layers and doesn't reduce everything to a tribal us vs. them binary. But it seems to be getting worse. The 24/7 news cycle certainly plays a part in that, and in further polarizing people and empowering their confirmation biases. It's almost considered treasonous now to even consider viewpoints that challenge your own and possibly moderate some of your preconceived notions.

The thing is that I think almost everyone could actually agree that there is almost objectively a real accountability problem in this country. Accountability at all levels. Lots of empty promises, empty threats, and less and less tangible conversation and tangible results. And of course the wealthy and political elites control a lot of that and are as lacking in accountability as ever. It all needs to change, and it starts with people coming together and not killing and demonizing each other over what often amounts to semantic pieces of a much bigger puzzle.

[mabundo_nagumbe]

Is it really about "Black Lives Matter"?

If it were, what about the ~2,800 homicides every year to black Americans?

90% committed by other African Americans.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

Why doesn't LeBron ever tweet about that? Do their lives not matter?

It seems like this is actually about "The White Man is at Fault" or "The Police is at Fault" or "[White] America is at fault".

Apparently it's like the N word where if you're black, you're allowed to use it. Likewise if you're black, you're allowed to kill another black person without creating a movement or a protest.

Did you happen to ever ask yourself what's the reason why they shoot each other? Do you think that they inherently like crime, drugs, violence? I dont't know what those numbers mean to you, but I think the crime comes from the need to survive, putting food on the tables, having a place to live. As far as I know, there are hundreds of thousands homeless people living on the streets in USA, and that's not because people are lazy, but because the government can't provide them an opportunity to have a decent life. Their priority is to spend trillions of dollars of Venezuelan, Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian people, so that they can have american democracy and freedom in exchange for their resources.
It doesn't really matter if you are a democrat or a republican. People who run your country don't give a **** whether you are a democrat or a republican, as long as they are where the money is. Politics is first and foremost about the relationship between the rich and the poor, and the poor struggle when the rich don't honsestly give a **** about thethe poor - unless they are a threat, just like right now. 40 million jobless people in a country, there is nothing else than protests that could or should happen.

[DavidSterned]

Can someone provide context instead of some tweets? I've heard many people say 'All lives matter' but it doesn't mean they're racist.
I get that, at this moment, it's about black lives but what happened that Cousins called this guy out during a sensitive time?

If you're saying 'All Lives Matter' as a response to "Black Lives Matter" yes, you are racist.

That’s an either or fallacy.

A lot of that and a lot of easily picked strawmen going around these days unfortunately.

[Metallikid]

Can someone provide context instead of some tweets? I've heard many people say 'All lives matter' but it doesn't mean they're racist.
I get that, at this moment, it's about black lives but what happened that Cousins called this guy out during a sensitive time?

If you're saying 'All Lives Matter' as a response to "Black Lives Matter" yes, you are racist.

That’s an either or fallacy.

It's really not. If that sentiment is your response to people saying Black Lives Matter, then you saying that black people are not treated any differently than white people, that minorities in general are not treated any differently than white people. And that is one, not true, but two, and more importantly, that sort of rhetoric is what denies progress on the issue of racial justice because it denies that there is a problem at all. Even if you don't think it is itself racist, which I believe it clearly is, it is at the very least full throated support for a racist, unjust society.

[HEKTOR]

Well said. I'm not sure when mob mentality and raw, unchecked emotion became held in higher esteem than nuanced conversation that incorporates multiple layers and doesn't reduce everything to a tribal us vs. them binary. But it seems to be getting worse. The 24/7 news cycle certainly plays a part in that, and in further polarizing people and empowering their confirmation biases. It's almost considered treasonous now to even consider viewpoints that challenge your own and possibly moderate some of your preconceived notions.

The thing is that I think almost everyone could actually agree that there is almost objectively a real accountability problem in this country. Accountability at all levels. Lots of empty promises, empty threats, and less and less tangible conversation and tangible results. And of course the wealthy and political elites control a lot of that and are as lacking in accountability as ever. It all needs to change, and it starts with people coming together and not killing and demonizing each other over what often amounts to semantic pieces of a much bigger puzzle.

I read a really good article today that my friend sent me amidst all this chaos. I can't help but think you'd enjoy it:

https://standpointmag.co.uk/issues/may-june-2020/the-mark-of-an-educated-mind/?fbclid=IwAR2sUAG4d48t_6uJvapHfaKEmVwPKvZPibpXZTBgRhcf7FPgxIa8lUuc95Q

[homecourtloss]

or.

From a Reddit user’s explanation

I’ll probably get flamed for this but whatever.

I have a different feeling about this and don't agree with the terms of this Analogy. This idea that people believe that their should be a "Daddy" ( I guess the government?) that is here to provide for all Americans a "fair share" to everyone is unfathomable to me. There is no "fair share" in life. Some people are born rich some born poor. Some born black, some white or Asian. Some born ugly, some born handsome. Some born tall, some short. There is no such thing a "fair share" biologically or socially.

A better example would be: Imagine you go hunting. Your friend brings a gun his dad gave him. Your cousin brings a knife he bought. A stranger brings crossbow. You don't bring anything. Well guess what?
Is it fair that they are hunting the same prey but they are starting with wepons and you have nothing? No, not exactly.

Does it mean you CAN'T hunt or figure out a way to make a weapon to eat? NO! it's up to YOU to improve your chances to eat. No one else is going to do it for you. They are worrying about themselves. They have their own prey to hunt.

What are your Options? Eat or die.

The American Way is to figure out a way to improve your lot in life. Not rely on society of the government to fix it for you. There will always be someone who was born with more than you. Your job is to the same for your kids.

Just be grateful that you are even in a "Jungle" where there is plenty of opportunity to survive.


If there is a place other than America that is better for those starting with nothing to make something of themselves, I would like to know about it.

And this at the crux of what Malcolm X warned us about. Yes, a history of oppression and racism brought us to where we are, BUT liberal ideologies, racist at their core, keep us where we are. They have policies that provide temporary relief, garner almost all our votes, and then keep us from getting out of the cycle we’re in because most people are myopic anyway. What’s considered acceptable from liberal elites about our communities is disgusting because they would never accept that for themselves because they KNOW what it takes to create economically thriving communities.

We’ve seen our families tear apart and it was normalized by liberal elites (for us, not for them, of course) even though single motherhood at the turn of the 20th century or end of the 19th for both blacks and whites was about the same. Racism and prejudice broke us apart first and then instead of combatting it, we were used for votes and further disintegration happened and we allowed it. Now, we’re at almost an unfixable level.

But it CONTINUES TODAY. We’re told of the bogeyman that keeps us down, and, focusing on that, even if some of it is true, we forget the even bigger problems in our communities.

Will others look at us as equals? Don’t know, probably not. Is there still racism? Yes. But there are ways we can help ourselves get out of this, but we don’t do ourselves favors by falling for what these people dictate to us to be our biggest problems rather than addressing what we know is our problems.

[CIN-C-STAR]

:sleep:

We need NBA back, sheesh.
Maybe the guy isn't as "woke" as he could be. Maybe he was just trolling Cousins. Who cares?

80 percent of the players who you want to watch care.....

And 80 percent of NBA players probably don't give AF about Hong Kong, or the plight of the Uyghurs, or even the working conditions of the people who make their shoes and apparel.
It's easy to be woke about something that directly affects you, but few actually bother to invest themselves in issues that affect others.
Not saying this guy is right or a great guy, but frankly this makes him no different than most people. If he said something racist, fire his ass, but he didn't.
He could probably be better on the subject, but few if any NBA players are perfect on every social issue. You want to kick all of them out of the league, too?
2021 Finals will be the Tibetan monks versus the nuns from a French monastery