What moves can Daryl Morey realistically make?

[ZombieKilla]

They should swap Simmons, Horford, and picks for Harden, Westbrook, Covington, Tucker.

You do know that 2 teams have to agree to a trade, right?

This might work on NBA 2K21, but not in the real world.

Simmons doesn't get you Harden, much less Simmons + terrible contract getting you Harden-Covington-Tucker.

[celticfan42487]

You're locked into the worst contact in the league with a broken old Horford on a max.

And Tobias is on a solid contract if he's the third option on a championship team.

Trade 5 future first rounders, Ben Simmons, and whatever else it takes minus Embiid to get Harden.

If you can get the end result of a Harden, Embiid, Tobias team you're in the finals next season and if the Clippers, Bucs flop again and father time comes for LeBron then you may just be the favorites to win it all.

That's all that matters.

1) Horford isn't on a max deal and isn't broken
2) His last year isn't fully guaranteed (you only pay half of it I thought if he doesn't win a ring for you)
3) People pretend Horford is a scrubby player. The games he played when Embiid was out, he still was good. He's a complete misfit as a stretch 4, that's true. But he still has good value as a decent offensive and defensive center. He's very experienced, smart and a very good playmaker as big. Teams like Sacramento, Atlanta, Clippers, Golden State, Wizards, Nets, Bulls, Celtics, ..., could very well be interested in him.
4) Because of 1), 2) and 3), people should really stop calling him the worst contact in the league and go look up the money Blake Griffin, John Wall, Chris Paul, Andrew Wiggins, Harrison Barnes (less than Horford but also way less of a player), Russell Westbrook are making (and try to imagine their 'trade value').
5) Sixers really cannot rely on Embiid staying healthy. You need a decent back-up if you really want to compete.

I'm a Celtics fan, I've watched Horford's physical and athletic walk to the cliff over the past few years and the complete jump off the cliff of last year.

I'm not unaware of who Horford is or what end of career level status his body is in.

He's done and one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

I doubt he could even handle a full load at Center anymore physically and we both know he's has about 1/20th of the athleticism required to play PF anymore.

He's not John Wall who is not playing, but he's the next worst thing.

[druggas]

Harden will have to ask to be traded to get the ball rolling.

[SwingOnThis]

lol at C's fans trying to wish a Simmons trade into existence. They aren't trading Simmons for Harden. Or anyone. He's the centerpiece of the team. Besides, we need someone to guard Tatum.

[druggas]

Harden will have to ask to be traded to get the ball rolling. I could see that happening and then Houston would blow it up and send Westbrook packing. The owner would save money and the new coach wouldn't have to deal with a veteran squad that might or might not listen to him.

[Magic_Johnny12]

If Washington wants Simmons for Beal I think you dont even hesitate if you're Philly.

and this is coming from a Simmons fan and this is not saying you can't build around Simmons to be successful, but as currently constructed Beal makes a lot more sense.

Keep Embiid for obvious reasons.

Move Harris to PF to stretch the floor a bit (his natural and best position to play).

Trade Horford to SAC for Barnes (even if you need to attach a pick or player).

Start Thybulle to bring a defensive identity and to switch on defense.

Offense

PG - Beal (similar to Booker)
SG - Thybulle
SF - Barnes
PF - Harris
C - Embiid

This is one of the most realistic rosters and approach.

[PistolPeteJR]

Philly would have to send out a lot more than Simmons to get Harden.
Besides, Simmons is probably headed to OKC for Paul.

Come on man. Not a chance.

[R-DAWG]

I think it's way to early to give up on Embid or Simmons, unless you get a true star on a similar timeline that is a better fit.

The one player that is potentially available that fits the description is Brad Beal. You can actually make the argument that Beal is a better fit with either Simmons or Embid.

In an Embid for Beal swap - Philly shifts Horford back to his natural C position, moves Simmons to a point forward position where he is interchangeable with Harris, and puts Beal and Richardson in the backcourt.

In a Simmons for Beal swap - Horford is still an odd man out.

But the upside of both Simmons are Embid still exceeds what Beal currently is. If Embid gets in shape and gets focused, he can have a 3-5 year run similar to what Shaq had in the early 2000's where he is the most dominat player in the league. Simmons has Lebron/Giannis type point forward potential if he can get a somewhat acceptable outside shot (Giannis shot 30% from 3 on 4 shots per game this year) - the size, speed, ball handling, playmaking combination plus his feel to the game is very unique. It's just too hard at this point to move on from either of these guys without trying it with a new coach and making some moves in the margins.

[lazybatman]

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[LAKESHOW]

Well send say....kuzma and javale for Simmons and embiid

[Hello Brooklyn]

Get Horford to a team with cap space that could use a veteran presence.

Maybe Sacramento?

[ZombieKilla]

Philly would have to send out a lot more than Simmons to get Harden.
Besides, Simmons is probably headed to OKC for Paul.

Come on man. Not a chance.

It’s just as likely as Houston taking Simmons for Harden.

[LakersSoul]

I was looking at Sixers contracts and jeezus I had no
Idea they gave Tobias Harris a 5 year deal

Hes getting paid 39 Million in the 2023-24 Season lmao

That Al Horford contract is pretty scary too

26 Million at age 36 in the 2022-23 Year season

So seems like they would have to attach Joel or Ben to get rid of atleast one of those contracts but I have no idea who will be interested. Only team That comes to mind is The Hawks

Brand is a moron. What kind of contracts and signings are these? Get a damn analytics guy.

76ers went from best situation to one of the worst.

That said, Harris is a good player just over-friggin paid. Horford is just dumb.

76ers can trade Harris but they will need to send out a lot of picks. You add the 2 FRPs and 1-2 SRPs then maybe Knicks will take Harris. Return contracts are expiring like Harkless, Gibson andPayton.

[celticfan42487]

His realistic move is trading some team desperate to look at Embiid like an MVP and get a haul for him.

Then move Ben Simmons to Center to play the Bam role in MIA.

Then laugh as Embiid again is too winded to play in the playoffs and/or his career ends shortly after and you got an amazing value in return.

It would have to be a team that's a sucker and believes in Embiid fully though so it's hard to say what they get. Might be 4 firsts, might be an all start PG, might be something else. Ideally, if you could find a wing that can be a goto scorer in the clutch and winning time like Jimmy Butler that's the dream.

[celticfan42487]

lol at C's fans trying to wish a Simmons trade into existence. They aren't trading Simmons for Harden. Or anyone. He's the centerpiece of the team. Besides, we need someone to guard Tatum.

You're hopelessly lost if you look at a Harden for Simmons trade and say "who will guard Tatum".

You should be saying "wow no one can guard Harden". And they haven't been able to for constant MVP worthy seasons now.

[spikeslovechild]

I was looking at Sixers contracts and jeezus I had no
Idea they gave Tobias Harris a 5 year deal

Hes getting paid 39 Million in the 2023-24 Season lmao

That Al Horford contract is pretty scary too

26 Million at age 36 in the 2022-23 Year season

So seems like they would have to attach Joel or Ben to get rid of atleast one of those contracts but I have no idea who will be interested. Only team That comes to mind is The Hawks

Brand is a moron. What kind of contracts and signings are these? Get a damn analytics guy.

76ers went from best situation to one of the worst.

That said, Harris is a good player just over-friggin paid. Horford is just dumb.

76ers can trade Harris but they will need to send out a lot of picks. You add the 2 FRPs and 1-2 SRPs then maybe Knicks will take Harris. Return contracts are expiring like Harkless, Gibson andPayton.

That is sort of the rub right? Harris is overpaid but the Sixers are going to be operating over the cap anyways so why would they attach assets to move a still useful player who can fit on the roster?

It doesn't make a ton of sense. Horford on the otherhand the fit isn't there. They can use his contract to get someone better to while giving up future assets like Thybs and 1st round picks. That is probably the move if you can find a partner. Harden is a pipe dream.

[lazybatman]

His realistic move is trading some team desperate to look at Embiid like an MVP and get a haul for him.

Then move Ben Simmons to Center to play the Bam role in MIA.

Then laugh as Embiid again is too winded to play in the playoffs and/or his career ends shortly after and you got an amazing value in return.

It would have to be a team that's a sucker and believes in Embiid fully though so it's hard to say what they get. Might be 4 firsts, might be an all start PG, might be something else. Ideally, if you could find a wing that can be a goto scorer in the clutch and winning time like Jimmy Butler that's the dream.

Yeah Package Horford with Embiid, while you're at it.

[SF_Warriors]

Fire Elton Brand

[justinem0311]

How about Horford to New Orleans to pair with Zion?

[Eyeamok]

Great fit. But how many prime years of Harden and Embiid would they have?

3-4

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I had 3 years too, bad deal

Is it a bad deal if you manage to win just one championship in those 3 years ?