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infinite11285 wrote:

APettyJ wrote:

infinite11285 wrote:
The 7th and 8th seeds are also the minimum seedings to play in the postseason. The point is the 9th and 10th seeds are rewarded despite not winning enough regular-season games in the first place. Those seeds can only gain whereas the 7th and 8th seeds have much more to lose.

Well now the 9th and 10th seeds are the minimum seedings to be in the postseason.

This is false. The 9th and 10th seeds are the minimum seeds for a chance to make the playoffs. The play-in tournament is not considered part of the NBA Playoffs.

It's true the 7th and 8th seeds have more to lose, although the 8th seed has something to gain in that they could leapfrog the 7th seed in the first play-in game. Also, at least 7th and 8th seeds have only to win one game to advance, while the 9th and 10th seeds have to win two. The play-in games for the higher two seeds are also played on their home court. If the 7th seed cannot take advantage of their HCA and win one of the two games, they would have been swept out the first round anyway and the play-in home games are all they really deserved.

All good points. We both agreed that further tweaks to the current format are necessary to iron this thing out, but it can't be understated enough that the 7th and 8th seeds are at a competitive disadvantage. The first time a star player in the 7th or 8th seed goes down during a play-in game for an extended time (say, an ACL tear, thus knocking them out of the subsequent season as well) will really illuminate that fact.

dockingsched wrote:

nomansland wrote:I wish we had it a few years ago. It's actually inherently more fair.

Think about the instances over the course of the season where a bad call or two cost a team a game. (Because we know that *never* happens in the NBA right?) Or a couple of players got hurt and as a result a team lost 3 games they normally wouldn't have.

Like others have said, the only people complaining are those that are mad their team has to do it.

I like the play-in game but this a terrible way of justifying it. “We know bad officiating and injuries can affect your season by costing you a few games, so let’s put your entire season on the line on one game where bad officiating and injuries can cost you your entire season to make up for it”. That doesn’t make sense.

infinite11285 wrote: This is false. The 9th and 10th seeds are the minimum seeds for a chance to make the playoffs. The play-in tournament is not considered part of the NBA Playoffs.

Metallikid wrote:

HypeMode wrote:Wizards-Hornets playing tomorrow for the #8 seed. The Grizzlies-Warriors playing for the #8 seed in the western conference. Lakers and Blazers playing tomorrow for the right to not be in the play-in game. The NBA couldn't have scripted this better. The play-in game is here to stay.

The amount of shameless tanking by the teams who don't want to get in the play-in game proves you wrong.

Not to mention it literally makes it so that wins in the early part of the season are worth less than those at the end, because if 6th is not reasonable you don't have to go for as many wins as possible, just as many wins needed to make the play-in game.

normgod6 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:

HypeMode wrote:Wizards-Hornets playing tomorrow for the #8 seed. The Grizzlies-Warriors playing for the #8 seed in the western conference. Lakers and Blazers playing tomorrow for the right to not be in the play-in game. The NBA couldn't have scripted this better. The play-in game is here to stay.

The amount of shameless tanking by the teams who don't want to get in the play-in game proves you wrong.

Not to mention it literally makes it so that wins in the early part of the season are worth less than those at the end, because if 6th is not reasonable you don't have to go for as many wins as possible, just as many wins needed to make the play-in game.

thats not true as the the 7th and 8th seeds only need to win 1 game to make the playoffs while the 9th and 10th seeds need to win all 2. The 7th and 8th seeds are much more desirable to get than the 9th and 10th seeds

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Metallikid wrote:

normgod6 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:
The amount of shameless tanking by the teams who don't want to get in the play-in game proves you wrong.

Not to mention it literally makes it so that wins in the early part of the season are worth less than those at the end, because if 6th is not reasonable you don't have to go for as many wins as possible, just as many wins needed to make the play-in game.

thats not true as the the 7th and 8th seeds only need to win 1 game to make the playoffs while the 9th and 10th seeds need to win all 2. The 7th and 8th seeds are much more desirable to get than the 9th and 10th seeds

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That is not necessarily an incentive. Some of the teams in the play-in spots want to lose too. Wait until you see a team try to lose a play-in game on purpose.

normgod6 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:

normgod6 wrote:thats not true as the the 7th and 8th seeds only need to win 1 game to make the playoffs while the 9th and 10th seeds need to win all 2. The 7th and 8th seeds are much more desirable to get than the 9th and 10th seeds

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That is not necessarily an incentive. Some of the teams in the play-in spots want to lose too. Wait until you see a team try to lose a play-in game on purpose.

Why would a team try to lose a play in game on purpose? The 10th seed still gets the same lottery odds regardless of whether they win the play ins or not

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Metallikid wrote:

normgod6 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:
That is not necessarily an incentive. Some of the teams in the play-in spots want to lose too. Wait until you see a team try to lose a play-in game on purpose.

Why would a team try to lose a play in game on purpose? The 10th seed still gets the same lottery odds regardless of whether they win the play ins or not

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I do not believe that is true.

normgod6 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:

normgod6 wrote:Why would a team try to lose a play in game on purpose? The 10th seed still gets the same lottery odds regardless of whether they win the play ins or not

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I do not believe that is true.

If thats the case they should really change it so the draft odds are fixed to the regular season record. I can totally imagine a 8th seed losing on purpose to slide into the lottery. Looks like a obvious oversight to me

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dockingsched wrote:

nomansland wrote:I wish we had it a few years ago. It's actually inherently more fair.

Think about the instances over the course of the season where a bad call or two cost a team a game. (Because we know that *never* happens in the NBA right?) Or a couple of players got hurt and as a result a team lost 3 games they normally wouldn't have.

Like others have said, the only people complaining are those that are mad their team has to do it.

I like the play-in game but this a terrible way of justifying it. “We know bad officiating and injuries can affect your season by costing you a few games, so let’s put your entire season on the line on one game where bad officiating and injuries can cost you your entire season to make up for it”. That doesn’t make sense.

infinite11285 wrote:

Mephariel wrote:

Frank Dux wrote:The play in is garbage. Why reward the 9th and 10th seed?

What makes the 8th seed not rewarding but the 9th and 10th seed rewarding?

As stated in this thread, the 7th and 8th seeds meet the cutoff by winning enough regular season to make playoffs. That should be the total requirement to play in the postseason, but now, it's no longer the case.

The 9th and 10th seeds are rewarded by giving an additional opportunity to play into the playoffs, despite not winning enough regular-season games to be seeded within the top 8. The 7th and 8th seeds have an extra requirement to play in the postseason that no other team has to endure. Thus, those seeds are essentially penalized just for being seeded in those slots.

I understand both sides of the argument involving the play-in and do believe a few more tweaks are necessary to iron out the current product. Personally, I'm a fan of seeding teams 1-16 and holding a tournament within that format; however, I understand it would be a logistical pain to execute.

thebigbird wrote:Still not a fan of the play in game. During a weird pandemic season I guess it’s fine, but they shouldn’t keep it during normal times. You get 82 games to make the playoffs. Last year the Mavericks were 7.5 games ahead of the 8 seed. It would’ve been dumb for them to have to play in a play-in tournament to make the playoffs.

nomansland wrote:

dockingsched wrote:

nomansland wrote:I wish we had it a few years ago. It's actually inherently more fair.

Think about the instances over the course of the season where a bad call or two cost a team a game. (Because we know that *never* happens in the NBA right?) Or a couple of players got hurt and as a result a team lost 3 games they normally wouldn't have.

Like others have said, the only people complaining are those that are mad their team has to do it.

I like the play-in game but this a terrible way of justifying it. “We know bad officiating and injuries can affect your season by costing you a few games, so let’s put your entire season on the line on one game where bad officiating and injuries can cost you your entire season to make up for it”. That doesn’t make sense.

It's not single elimination and the higher seeds are favored to advance, unless I am misunderstanding the way it works.

Chanel Bomber wrote:It remains inherently unfair to the #7 and #8 seeds who earned their playoff spot through 72 games to possibly lose their season because a less deserving team got hot for one game, or have players accumulate fatigue or worse get hurt.

I'd be more open to having only the #8 seed play the winner of the 9-10 match-up, but it's just a farce and a cash grab by the NBA.

Metallikid wrote:

normgod6 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:
That is not necessarily an incentive. Some of the teams in the play-in spots want to lose too. Wait until you see a team try to lose a play-in game on purpose.

Why would a team try to lose a play in game on purpose? The 10th seed still gets the same lottery odds regardless of whether they win the play ins or not

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I do not believe that is true.