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MrPerfect1 wrote:When Giannis loses he asks how he can get better.
When Lebron loses he asks who else can join him to make it easier.
BoatsNZones wrote:yoyoboy wrote:BoatsNZones wrote:Troll thread obviously, but Westbrook is certainly not past his prime (he's had better seasons, but has not slowed one bit). He just averaged another triple-double season and frankly was easily the Wizards best player for the final 3rd of the season - inducing a damn impressive turnaround by them as a team. Nobody who can close out a season like that while averaging 24/13/13 for 2+ months is past any sort of prime.
How is Westbrook not past his prime? He was an MVP a few seasons ago, and while you can maybe argue between him and a couple others as to who deserved it, the fact of the matter is he was bringing top ~5 player impact to the table at the time.
Now he’s been traded 3 times in the last 2 years. His scoring efficiency went from being 0.2% above league average in 2017 to 6.3% below league average last season. There are questions of whether he’s even a net positive player anymore and whether he can bring value to a good team with his lack of efficiency, off ball ability, or defense. If he was truly still in his prime, he wouldn’t be handed around the league as much as he’s been. He’s still as good of a rebounder and playmaker as he’s ever been, but the drops in scoring efficiency and defense have really tanked his value.
but he's effectively the same player he's been for the past 8 years..
No he hasn’t. Look at his FT shooting, his outside snoring, his impact metrics.lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.
lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
MrPerfect1 wrote:camby23 wrote:MrPerfect1 wrote:When Giannis loses he asks how he can get better.
When Lebron loses he asks who else can join him to make it easier.
yeah LeBron at the age of 36 should just work on his game and get better. He's still bit raw and far from being a finished product.
And Bucks championship has nothing to do with Harden and Kyrie injuries.
-Lebron hasn't been 36 his whole career.
-BKN was in the process of getting smoked when Kyrie went down. Harden returned. Harden in Game 7 even looked better than Harden in his usual elimination games.
Bucks also had injuries. They won after DDV went down and they won without both DDV and Giannis. If the rest of the team isn't good enough to step up, then that is a flaw of the team.
lonniefire wrote:Remember when people said the Nets were stacked by adding Griffin and Aldridge? Well the same thing is happening here. The Lakers now have Lebron Westbrook Anthony Davis Melo Dwight Howard and Marc Gasol. This guy is now playing with multiple all stars,multiple defensive player of a year, all NBA team guys. Is this the most help a player has had in NBA history, on one team at that?
homecourtloss wrote:BoatsNZones wrote:yoyoboy wrote:How is Westbrook not past his prime? He was an MVP a few seasons ago, and while you can maybe argue between him and a couple others as to who deserved it, the fact of the matter is he was bringing top ~5 player impact to the table at the time.
Now he’s been traded 3 times in the last 2 years. His scoring efficiency went from being 0.2% above league average in 2017 to 6.3% below league average last season. There are questions of whether he’s even a net positive player anymore and whether he can bring value to a good team with his lack of efficiency, off ball ability, or defense. If he was truly still in his prime, he wouldn’t be handed around the league as much as he’s been. He’s still as good of a rebounder and playmaker as he’s ever been, but the drops in scoring efficiency and defense have really tanked his value.
but he's effectively the same player he's been for the past 8 years..
HeartBreakKid wrote:lonniefire wrote:Remember when people said the Nets were stacked by adding Griffin and Aldridge? Well the same thing is happening here. The Lakers now have Lebron Westbrook Anthony Davis Melo Dwight Howard and Marc Gasol. This guy is now playing with multiple all stars,multiple defensive player of a year, all NBA team guys. Is this the most help a player has had in NBA history, on one team at that?
Dwight Howard and Marc Gasol? You on crack dude?
tundraknight wrote:They’re all past their primes except for Anthony Davis.
Sharcm1 wrote:I’m waiting for the 20 topics about how the Lakers are trying to buy a championship like there were after the nets signed griffin and LMA. Hmm. Waiting.
But right it’s always been ok the Lakers do it year after year. Just not the nets.
camby23 wrote:MrPerfect1 wrote:camby23 wrote:
yeah LeBron at the age of 36 should just work on his game and get better. He's still bit raw and far from being a finished product.
And Bucks championship has nothing to do with Harden and Kyrie injuries.
-Lebron hasn't been 36 his whole career.
-BKN was in the process of getting smoked when Kyrie went down. Harden returned. Harden in Game 7 even looked better than Harden in his usual elimination games.
Bucks also had injuries. They won after DDV went down and they won without both DDV and Giannis. If the rest of the team isn't good enough to step up, then that is a flaw of the team.
- Dude, we are talking about player with probably the best longevity in a history, with 16 or 17 superstar seasons in a row and you are suggesting he's not working hard enough? Did he not improve his jumper and post game during his career?
-injured Bucks played against Hawks without Trae Young, injured Nets played against Bucks with all their best players being healthly. What are you even comparing? And did you just compared DDV to Kyrie and Harden?
LeBron haters ...
BoatsNZones wrote:homecourtloss wrote:BoatsNZones wrote:but he's effectively the same player he's been for the past 8 years..
Lol, FT shooting and range are not what you lose when you're past your prime (his eFG is the same it has always been btw, the broader impact metrics are heavily impacted by his role/use and the fact that he had terrible starts in both Houston and Washington before figuring it out in each city). Has he played better? Of course, but he's also been in a myriad of different situations the past couple years. That can throw your game off if they're not the right fit. "Past your prime" indicates you're slowing down as a player or injuries have derailed a career early. That flat out isn't the case with Westbrook.
Now don't get it twisted. I think he's a terrible fit in LA, but he's still capable of being the same old Westbrook - as we saw the last 2-3 months of the season (this case by you guys would be much stronger if we did not literally just witness it for months on end).
DrWood wrote:Sharcm1 wrote:I’m waiting for the 20 topics about how the Lakers are trying to buy a championship like there were after the nets signed griffin and LMA. Hmm. Waiting.
But right it’s always been ok the Lakers do it year after year. Just not the nets.
did anyone think griffin and LMA were still any good? Blake exceeded expectations with them.
DrWood wrote:BoatsNZones wrote:homecourtloss wrote:
Lol, FT shooting and range are not what you lose when you're past your prime (his eFG is the same it has always been btw, the broader impact metrics are heavily impacted by his role/use and the fact that he had terrible starts in both Houston and Washington before figuring it out in each city). Has he played better? Of course, but he's also been in a myriad of different situations the past couple years. That can throw your game off if they're not the right fit. "Past your prime" indicates you're slowing down as a player or injuries have derailed a career early. That flat out isn't the case with Westbrook.
Now don't get it twisted. I think he's a terrible fit in LA, but he's still capable of being the same old Westbrook - as we saw the last 2-3 months of the season (this case by you guys would be much stronger if we did not literally just witness it for months on end).
His peak was his age 28 season. This will be his age 33 season. He's past his peak, but still on a pretty high plateau.
If he's working hard enough why isn't he shooting 80% from the line and 40% from 3? Here clearly doesn't work as hard as he could, be spends too much time lifting weightscamby23 wrote:MrPerfect1 wrote:camby23 wrote:
yeah LeBron at the age of 36 should just work on his game and get better. He's still bit raw and far from being a finished product.
And Bucks championship has nothing to do with Harden and Kyrie injuries.
-Lebron hasn't been 36 his whole career.
-BKN was in the process of getting smoked when Kyrie went down. Harden returned. Harden in Game 7 even looked better than Harden in his usual elimination games.
Bucks also had injuries. They won after DDV went down and they won without both DDV and Giannis. If the rest of the team isn't good enough to step up, then that is a flaw of the team.
- Dude, we are talking about player with probably the best longevity in a history, with 16 or 17 superstar seasons in a row and you are suggesting he's not working hard enough? Did he not improve his jumper and post game during his career?
-injured Bucks played against Hawks without Trae Young, injured Nets played against Bucks with all their best players being healthly. What are you even comparing? And did you just compared DDV to Kyrie and Harden?
LeBron haters ...
They're not dpoy winners?HeartBreakKid wrote:lonniefire wrote:Remember when people said the Nets were stacked by adding Griffin and Aldridge? Well the same thing is happening here. The Lakers now have Lebron Westbrook Anthony Davis Melo Dwight Howard and Marc Gasol. This guy is now playing with multiple all stars,multiple defensive player of a year, all NBA team guys. Is this the most help a player has had in NBA history, on one team at that?
Dwight Howard and Marc Gasol? You on crack dude?