If the Warriors win title #4 but Steph has no FMVP's, how does that affect his legacy?

[NO-KG-AI]

It would look like he's extremely inconsistent in high pressure games, whether that's fair or not. It's more likely that the finals isn't substantially harder than other rounds against top tier teams, but for whatever reason, that's how it's viewed.

[TB]

11 idiotic voters in 2015 have caused the most annoying narrative lol

[tihsad]

I'm not sure how it doesn't impact his legacy as an all-time great? If we're talking a top 20-30 candidate perhaps it washes to the side, but anything higher, yes, it impacts it.

[SpreeChokeJob]

It would look like he's extremely inconsistent in high pressure games, whether that's fair or not. It's more likely that the finals isn't substantially harder than other rounds against top tier teams, but for whatever reason, that's how it's viewed.

He has two guys draped on him and meeting him at the half court line. Does the media really believe Iguodala won them their first championship? They need to have their head examined or their bank accounts checked.

Mark my words if they win the championship, Poole will be finals MVP. Because the award name should be changed from finals MVP to finals MVP who wears Nike.

[NO-KG-AI]

It would look like he's extremely inconsistent in high pressure games, whether that's fair or not. It's more likely that the finals isn't substantially harder than other rounds against top tier teams, but for whatever reason, that's how it's viewed.

He has two guys draped on him and meeting him at the half court line. Does the media really believe Iguodala won them their first championship? They need to have their head examined or their bank accounts checked.

Mark my words if they win the championship, Poole will be finals MVP. Because the award name should be changed from finals MVP to finals MVP who wears Nike.

Double teams and ball denial aren't unique to Steph at all. Maybe teams are so willing to do it blatantly because they don't think he is as good at punishing doubles as some other superstars are that consistently beat single coverage? There are certain guys you can't double in space like that because they'll break the trap and be playing 5 on 3 downhill. Everyone that is good sees multiple defenders all game. Some guys get them on the drive, some guys get them when they make a particular move(The Dubs emphasized doubling Dirk on his spin in the post for instance, as that was his most vulnerable). Steph gets them early because he's not as dangerous a dribble drive or passing threat as he is a shooting threat. That's not a knock.

Anyway, like I said, it's really not a fair award because it's such a small sample size and not indicative of your ability to play against tough teams in big moments... because you have to be able to do that just to get to the finals almost all of the time.

It's just one of those things where Steph for whatever reason has been very up and down for his standards in the finals. I thought he was literally gunning for it and pressing vs the Cavs when Durant was there because he could hear the narrative, and that continued in the Raptors series. I think if they make it this year, they'll be in a tough series where Steph has to just focus on playing good basketball.

Iguodala didn't get it because of Nike, he got it because Steph played like ass for long stretches because of the defense of a complete scrub. Durant got it because he went nuclear and had big shots over and over in LeBron's face.

It's hard for me to envision the Warrirors being able to win the finals without Steph putting up big numbers. They aren't stacked enough offensively to do it otherwise, and I doubt they get matched up with a team equivalent of LeBron's Cavs with Kyrie and Love on the sideline, where the Warriors win, but nobody really plays well enough to get a lot of support for finals MVP. Maybe Klay can have a series for the ages, but I don't see it.

[Myth]

Anybody else remember when KG’s career was nearly ruined because of not winning FMVP in 2008? Good thing he didn’t do it again in 2010, might have cost him a spot on the Top 75 team.

[D.Brasco]

It would look like he's extremely inconsistent in high pressure games, whether that's fair or not. It's more likely that the finals isn't substantially harder than other rounds against top tier teams, but for whatever reason, that's how it's viewed.

Exactly. He would be an extreme outlier in NBA history to be a star if not the star on multiple championship teams and never receive the FMVP award, it would absolutely impact his legacy, not destroy it but impact it yes.

Either way if and it's a big if the Warriors win another ring I doubt Steph wouldn't get the FMVP.

[Jables]

FMVP are not nearly as important as casuals think it is, no-one gives a **** about Kareems going 2-6 when it comes to FMVPs, he's always been ranked around the top 3 or so of all time. They regularly get the award wrong in the heat of the moment.

[SpreeChokeJob]

It would look like he's extremely inconsistent in high pressure games, whether that's fair or not. It's more likely that the finals isn't substantially harder than other rounds against top tier teams, but for whatever reason, that's how it's viewed.

He has two guys draped on him and meeting him at the half court line. Does the media really believe Iguodala won them their first championship? They need to have their head examined or their bank accounts checked.

Mark my words if they win the championship, Poole will be finals MVP. Because the award name should be changed from finals MVP to finals MVP who wears Nike.

Double teams and ball denial aren't unique to Steph at all. Maybe teams are so willing to do it blatantly because they don't think he is as good at punishing doubles as some other superstars are that consistently beat single coverage? There are certain guys you can't double in space like that because they'll break the trap and be playing 5 on 3 downhill. Everyone that is good sees multiple defenders all game. Some guys get them on the drive, some guys get them when they make a particular move(The Dubs emphasized doubling Dirk on his spin in the post for instance, as that was his most vulnerable). Steph gets them early because he's not as dangerous a dribble drive or passing threat as he is a shooting threat. That's not a knock.

Anyway, like I said, it's really not a fair award because it's such a small sample size and not indicative of your ability to play against tough teams in big moments... because you have to be able to do that just to get to the finals almost all of the time.

It's just one of those things where Steph for whatever reason has been very up and down for his standards in the finals. I thought he was literally gunning for it and pressing vs the Cavs when Durant was there because he could hear the narrative, and that continued in the Raptors series. I think if they make it this year, they'll be in a tough series where Steph has to just focus on playing good basketball.

Iguodala didn't get it because of Nike, he got it because Steph played like ass for long stretches because of the defense of a complete scrub. Durant got it because he went nuclear and had big shots over and over in LeBron's face.

It's hard for me to envision the Warrirors being able to win the finals without Steph putting up big numbers. They aren't stacked enough offensively to do it otherwise, and I doubt they get matched up with a team equivalent of LeBron's Cavs with Kyrie and Love on the sideline, where the Warriors win, but nobody really plays well enough to get a lot of support for finals MVP. Maybe Klay can have a series for the ages, but I don't see it.

Take Steph off that 2015 team and replace him with any other star and they aren’t winning crap with Iguodala. Period.

Kobe played like ass in game 7 and won the award.

[DonaldSanders]

Iguodala didn't get it because of Nike, he got it because Steph played like ass for long stretches because of the defense of a complete scrub. Durant got it because he went nuclear and had big shots over and over in LeBron's face.

It's hard for me to envision the Warrirors being able to win the finals without Steph putting up big numbers. They aren't stacked enough offensively to do it otherwise, and I doubt they get matched up with a team equivalent of LeBron's Cavs with Kyrie and Love on the sideline, where the Warriors win, but nobody really plays well enough to get a lot of support for finals MVP. Maybe Klay can have a series for the ages, but I don't see it.

Did you hear Lue admit his defense was setup to stop Curry, not KD? It's a fairly significant admission. KD doesn't look so hot when he's the #1 guy and the other team is playing suffocating defense focused on stopping him.

[michaelm]

Iguodala didn't get it because of Nike, he got it because Steph played like ass for long stretches because of the defense of a complete scrub. Durant got it because he went nuclear and had big shots over and over in LeBron's face.

It's hard for me to envision the Warrirors being able to win the finals without Steph putting up big numbers. They aren't stacked enough offensively to do it otherwise, and I doubt they get matched up with a team equivalent of LeBron's Cavs with Kyrie and Love on the sideline, where the Warriors win, but nobody really plays well enough to get a lot of support for finals MVP. Maybe Klay can have a series for the ages, but I don't see it.

Did you hear Lue admit his defense was setup to stop Curry, not KD? It's a fairly significant admission. KD doesn't look so hot when he's the #1 guy and the other team is playing suffocating defense focused on stopping him.

Steve Kerr says Curry is the GSW system, and he should be well informed just as Lue should be. Andre Iguodala is a great admirer as well.

People can quibble as they like about what has always been a narrative based award, but all 3 titles were won by a team built around him in finals series in which he played excellently. KD also played great and so did Iguodala. Curry is a higher variance player than KD, and had 1 bad game in each of the finals series alongside KD, series they won 4:1 and 4:0, and Curry was probably more important in other rounds, particularly in 2018. I am not at all unhappy about Iguodala getting the award, but the narrative back then was pretty much LeBron gets it or his opponent does if LeBron’s team loses.

[Mick Dundee]

He is a Basketball Player FFS.

He's throwing Orange Balls through a Metal Ring.

No Life Affecting Value there, thus no Legacy to begin with.

[NO-KG-AI]

Iguodala didn't get it because of Nike, he got it because Steph played like ass for long stretches because of the defense of a complete scrub. Durant got it because he went nuclear and had big shots over and over in LeBron's face.

It's hard for me to envision the Warrirors being able to win the finals without Steph putting up big numbers. They aren't stacked enough offensively to do it otherwise, and I doubt they get matched up with a team equivalent of LeBron's Cavs with Kyrie and Love on the sideline, where the Warriors win, but nobody really plays well enough to get a lot of support for finals MVP. Maybe Klay can have a series for the ages, but I don't see it.

Did you hear Lue admit his defense was setup to stop Curry, not KD? It's a fairly significant admission. KD doesn't look so hot when he's the #1 guy and the other team is playing suffocating defense focused on stopping him.

I mean yea, and every defense Michael Jordan and LeBron have ever seen was geared to stop them and only them. Thems the breaks.

But I thought Steph played pretty well in the series where KD was there anyway, but I don’t think we learned anything about either one of them from how they played on those monstar teams. The game was super easy for everyone involved at that point, because they were too good.

[NO-KG-AI]

He has two guys draped on him and meeting him at the half court line. Does the media really believe Iguodala won them their first championship? They need to have their head examined or their bank accounts checked.

Mark my words if they win the championship, Poole will be finals MVP. Because the award name should be changed from finals MVP to finals MVP who wears Nike.

Double teams and ball denial aren't unique to Steph at all. Maybe teams are so willing to do it blatantly because they don't think he is as good at punishing doubles as some other superstars are that consistently beat single coverage? There are certain guys you can't double in space like that because they'll break the trap and be playing 5 on 3 downhill. Everyone that is good sees multiple defenders all game. Some guys get them on the drive, some guys get them when they make a particular move(The Dubs emphasized doubling Dirk on his spin in the post for instance, as that was his most vulnerable). Steph gets them early because he's not as dangerous a dribble drive or passing threat as he is a shooting threat. That's not a knock.

Anyway, like I said, it's really not a fair award because it's such a small sample size and not indicative of your ability to play against tough teams in big moments... because you have to be able to do that just to get to the finals almost all of the time.

It's just one of those things where Steph for whatever reason has been very up and down for his standards in the finals. I thought he was literally gunning for it and pressing vs the Cavs when Durant was there because he could hear the narrative, and that continued in the Raptors series. I think if they make it this year, they'll be in a tough series where Steph has to just focus on playing good basketball.

Iguodala didn't get it because of Nike, he got it because Steph played like ass for long stretches because of the defense of a complete scrub. Durant got it because he went nuclear and had big shots over and over in LeBron's face.

It's hard for me to envision the Warrirors being able to win the finals without Steph putting up big numbers. They aren't stacked enough offensively to do it otherwise, and I doubt they get matched up with a team equivalent of LeBron's Cavs with Kyrie and Love on the sideline, where the Warriors win, but nobody really plays well enough to get a lot of support for finals MVP. Maybe Klay can have a series for the ages, but I don't see it.

Take Steph off that 2015 team and replace him with any other star and they aren’t winning crap with Iguodala. Period.

Kobe played like ass in game 7 and won the award.

If you swap Curry and LeBron on those teams, Cleveland doesn’t win a game

[WarriorGM]

Double teams and ball denial aren't unique to Steph at all. Maybe teams are so willing to do it blatantly because they don't think he is as good at punishing doubles as some other superstars are that consistently beat single coverage? There are certain guys you can't double in space like that because they'll break the trap and be playing 5 on 3 downhill. Everyone that is good sees multiple defenders all game. Some guys get them on the drive, some guys get them when they make a particular move(The Dubs emphasized doubling Dirk on his spin in the post for instance, as that was his most vulnerable). Steph gets them early because he's not as dangerous a dribble drive or passing threat as he is a shooting threat. That's not a knock.

Anyway, like I said, it's really not a fair award because it's such a small sample size and not indicative of your ability to play against tough teams in big moments... because you have to be able to do that just to get to the finals almost all of the time.

It's just one of those things where Steph for whatever reason has been very up and down for his standards in the finals. I thought he was literally gunning for it and pressing vs the Cavs when Durant was there because he could hear the narrative, and that continued in the Raptors series. I think if they make it this year, they'll be in a tough series where Steph has to just focus on playing good basketball.

Iguodala didn't get it because of Nike, he got it because Steph played like ass for long stretches because of the defense of a complete scrub. Durant got it because he went nuclear and had big shots over and over in LeBron's face.

It's hard for me to envision the Warrirors being able to win the finals without Steph putting up big numbers. They aren't stacked enough offensively to do it otherwise, and I doubt they get matched up with a team equivalent of LeBron's Cavs with Kyrie and Love on the sideline, where the Warriors win, but nobody really plays well enough to get a lot of support for finals MVP. Maybe Klay can have a series for the ages, but I don't see it.

Take Steph off that 2015 team and replace him with any other star and they aren’t winning crap with Iguodala. Period.

Kobe played like ass in game 7 and won the award.

If you swap Curry and LeBron on those teams, Cleveland doesn’t win a game

You one of those saying Curry was going to be exposed last year? Curry and a bunch of scrubs were a couple shots away from knocking off LeBron and Anthony Davis.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

bust

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[TheNG]

Well, I think it's pretty impressive if Steph is able to win 4 rings in the same team that drafted him. I mean, LeBron needed to hop between 3 superteams, every time leaving his team when things started to look difficult, and still managed to win only 4 championships.
So, to answer the question - it will boost his legacy.

[Stribor]

Poll above.

So if the Warriors were to win the title this year (or in the years to come with Steph still on the team) but, say, Jordan Poole wins FMVP this year (which would mean 0 FMVP's for Steph in 4 Warriors titles won), what kind of effect would that lack of FMVP's have on Steph's overall legacy in your mind?

I voted does not affect, but just because you did not even assume that someone thinks that this builds his legacy, and I think it does. Its one more ring in which he contributed in a reasonable manner within the boundaries of circumstances. KAJ titles even when he was no longer the best still paint him as an all time great that always meaningfully contributed to his teams. As opposed to for instance LBJ that does not accept age and his personal best is more important then winning...

[TroubleS0me]

we need to stop making the same threads over & over
& this topic is 1 of them

[mademan]

If GSW wins another, Curry will start having arguments for top 10, imo. He has the same Duncan like effect on GSW.

They better keep Poole. Dude might get max offers at this point, lol.