Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc... Take 6

Troubadour · Post #81 » by **Troubadour** » Sat May 7, 2022 12:03 am

I know Miami has Oladipo's Bird Rights, but is there a salary that would be beyond what they could afford?

Post #82 » by **BullyKing** » Sat May 7, 2022 12:09 am

Troubadour wrote:I know Miami has Oladipo's Bird Rights, but is there a salary that would be beyond what they could afford?

I think the breaking point is more likely to be over length than salary.

toooskies · Post #83 » by **toooskies** » Sat May 7, 2022 12:14 am

Troubadour wrote:I know Miami has Oladipo's Bird Rights, but is there a salary that would be beyond what they could afford?

They have over $120m committed to four players in 2023-24 and one of them is getting DNP-CDs. I have a hard time seeing him getting much more than an MLE match.

Troubadour · Post #84 » by **Troubadour** » Sat May 7, 2022 12:21 am

toooskies wrote:
Troubadour wrote:I know Miami has Oladipo's Bird Rights, but is there a salary that would be beyond what they could afford?

They have over $120m committed to four players in 2023-24 and one of them is getting DNP-CDs. I have a hard time seeing him getting much more than an MLE match.

That's all my Raptors have to offer!

Post #85 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sat May 7, 2022 4:23 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:Ooooh…interesting. I’ve never seen a guarantee trigger like this.

Read on Twitter
?s=21&t=aupVTfJBK6NJ_krz9YLHzw

I have 2 thoughts on this:

Great job by the Magic FO protecting themselves with that contract.

Some team should probably take a gamble and trade for him now that his contract has relatively little gtd money.

psman2 · Post #86 » by **psman2** » Sat May 7, 2022 4:39 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:Ooooh…interesting. I’ve never seen a guarantee trigger like this.

Read on Twitter
?s=21&t=aupVTfJBK6NJ_krz9YLHzw

I have 2 thoughts on this:

Great job by the Magic FO protecting themselves with that contract.

Some team should probably take a gamble and trade for him now that his contract has relatively little gtd money.

What is odd a lot of people thought he could have played but the Magic decided to play it safe. He was well pass the typical injury return time for an ACL. I think if Issac could have played to keep his contract gtd he would have pushed for it harder. But who knows.

I would offer Adams and 22/29 for him if he can pass a physical.

Godaddycurse · Post #87 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat May 7, 2022 4:40 am

OKC should throw some of their excess picks at him

shangrila · Post #88 » by **shangrila** » Sat May 7, 2022 5:05 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:Ooooh…interesting. I’ve never seen a guarantee trigger like this.

Read on Twitter
?s=21&t=aupVTfJBK6NJ_krz9YLHzw

I have 2 thoughts on this:

Great job by the Magic FO protecting themselves with that contract.

Some team should probably take a gamble and trade for him now that his contract has relatively little gtd money.

I don't think it changes anything in regards to a trade.

The issue has always been that if the Magic are willing to accept what others team would be willing to give up, they know he's either never going to play again or will be severely diminished if he does. So why would the other team then want to trade for him? It'd be like gambling on a lottery ticket that you already know has half the numbers wrong.

Post #89 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sat May 7, 2022 5:07 am

shangrila wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:Ooooh…interesting. I’ve never seen a guarantee trigger like this.

Read on Twitter
?s=21&t=aupVTfJBK6NJ_krz9YLHzw

I have 2 thoughts on this:

Great job by the Magic FO protecting themselves with that contract.

Some team should probably take a gamble and trade for him now that his contract has relatively little gtd money.

I don't think it changes anything in regards to a trade.

The issue has always been that if the Magic are willing to accept what others team would be willing to give up, they know he's either never going to play again or will be severely diminished if he does. So why would the other team then want to trade for him? It'd be like gambling on a lottery ticket that you already know has half the numbers wrong.

I think the difference is on his contract as it was, no team was going to give value or they were going to want to dump plenty of ugly money on Orlando. Now I think Orlando could get an asset and not have to take back bad money. The risk in trading for him is far less painful now. That should absolutely widen his market.

Now Orlando may want to just ride this to its bitter end. But I think they now have a much better out if they want it.

psman2 · Post #90 » by **psman2** » Sat May 7, 2022 5:14 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
shangrila wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
I have 2 thoughts on this:

Great job by the Magic FO protecting themselves with that contract.

Some team should probably take a gamble and trade for him now that his contract has relatively little gtd money.

I don't think it changes anything in regards to a trade.

The issue has always been that if the Magic are willing to accept what others team would be willing to give up, they know he's either never going to play again or will be severely diminished if he does. So why would the other team then want to trade for him? It'd be like gambling on a lottery ticket that you already know has half the numbers wrong.

I think the difference is on his contract as it was, no team was going to give value or they were going to want to dump plenty of ugly money on Orlando. Now I think Orlando could get an asset and not have to take back bad money. The risk in trading for him is far less painful now. That should absolutely widen his market.

Now Orlando may want to just ride this to its bitter end. But I think they now have a much better out if they want it.

Plus if Orlando lands a PF in the draft then may feel that now is the time to move on from Isaac. Teams get access to all the medical stuff and get to do their own physicals. There should be enough information to make an informed decision on Isaac's current and future health.

Just think if MPJ had a contract like this, he instantly becomes way more tradable since the risk is drastically less.

orlando_joe · Post #91 » by **orlando_joe** » Sat May 7, 2022 12:11 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:Ooooh…interesting. I’ve never seen a guarantee trigger like this.

Read on Twitter
?s=21&t=aupVTfJBK6NJ_krz9YLHzw

I have 2 thoughts on this:

Great job by the Magic FO protecting themselves with that contract.

Some team should probably take a gamble and trade for him now that his contract has relatively little gtd money.

magic just ride it out unless crazy offer ..still hope he comes back ..do not need cap this summer....but next summer .after season fultz could be owed 2 mill and isaac 7 mill...player making most that yr wcj at 13 mill a yr with no young players being rfa yet

Blazinaway · Post #92 » by **Blazinaway** » Sat May 7, 2022 1:59 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:Ooooh…interesting. I’ve never seen a guarantee trigger like this.

Read on Twitter
?s=21&t=aupVTfJBK6NJ_krz9YLHzw

I have 2 thoughts on this:

Great job by the Magic FO protecting themselves with that contract.

Some team should probably take a gamble and trade for him now that his contract has relatively little gtd money.

Perhaps this is a potential outline for a Zion contract with larger dollars but a "somewhat similar" structure?

K_chile22 · Post #93 » by **K_chile22** » Sat May 7, 2022 3:54 pm

psman2 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:Ooooh…interesting. I’ve never seen a guarantee trigger like this.

Read on Twitter
?s=21&t=aupVTfJBK6NJ_krz9YLHzw

I have 2 thoughts on this:

Great job by the Magic FO protecting themselves with that contract.

Some team should probably take a gamble and trade for him now that his contract has relatively little gtd money.

What is odd a lot of people thought he could have played but the Magic decided to play it safe. He was well pass the typical injury return time for an ACL. I think if Issac could have played to keep his contract gtd he would have pushed for it harder. But who knows.

I would offer Adams and 22/29 for him if he can pass a physical.

Yeah there's no way that's the case imo, he would not just let them lop off almost $30M in guaranteed money from his deal. People saying that are probably just being..... Optimistic, to put it nicely

BlazersBroncos · Post #94 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Sat May 7, 2022 5:13 pm

Wait, JI is only on the books for 7M next year? How is it possible to get an agent to agree to that sort of huge decline.

I think OKC should swoop in and offer 12 - which might make sense if ORL ends up getting one of the Top-3 guys, all of whom are PF's.

Post #95 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sat May 7, 2022 5:27 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Wait, JI is only on the books for 7M next year? How is it possible to get an agent to agree to that sort of huge decline.

I think OKC should swoop in and offer 12 - which might make sense if ORL ends up getting one of the Top-3 guys, all of whom are PF's.

He isn’t only on the books for that much.

He only costs that much if he is cut because he is t even worth that much.

If you keep him his same old salary counts.

Post #96 » by **zimpy27** » Sat May 7, 2022 8:17 pm

Minny should gamble on JI.

Similar to GoDaddys deal with WCJ

Lakers get DLo
Minny get JI and LAL27FRP
Magic get Westbrook, pick 18, MIN23FRP

Troubadour · Post #97 » by **Troubadour** » Sat May 7, 2022 8:29 pm

If Isaac was legally allowed to enter Canada and not an alt-right activist, he might be an interesting basketball fit with the Raptors

HornetJail · Post #98 » by **HornetJail** » Sat May 7, 2022 8:43 pm

very smart move by Orlando. I didn't realize his contract wasn't guaranteed. That should help his trade value if someone feels like gambling on him. Closer to neutral now

Ell Curry · Post #99 » by **Ell Curry** » Sat May 7, 2022 9:07 pm

To me this screams Sacramento. They need rim protection and defence at the 4 with Sabonis out there, so a 3 way deal with Harrison Barnes going to a team who needs a starting forward (there's a lot, but Minnesota, Chicago and Portland always come to mind first) and some assets from that team going for Isaac and maybe a little asset from Sacramento too, so like #37 from Sacramento to Orlando, and say the better of Sacramento or Indy's 2nd rounder next year which they own, which should be around #35, and say #19 and Malik Beasley from Minnesota going to Orlando.

Post #100 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat May 7, 2022 9:16 pm

Ell Curry wrote:To me this screams Sacramento. They need rim protection and defence at the 4 with Sabonis out there, so a 3 way deal with Harrison Barnes going to a team who needs a starting forward (there's a lot, but Minnesota, Chicago and Portland always come to mind first) and some assets from that team going for Isaac and maybe a little asset from Sacramento too, so like #37 from Sacramento to Orlando, and say the better of Sacramento or Indy's 2nd rounder next year which they own, which should be around #35, and say #19 and Malik Beasley from Minnesota going to Orlando.

Really hope not. This is the worst season Indy’s had in decades. Would hate to plan on it again.