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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

Post#81 » by chitownsports4ever » Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:32 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:I'm really disappointed that Marko isn't getting the love he deserves. He had one pretty bad game, and the other games he has been really good. For a player who was regulated mostly to the g-league, he outplayed most of his opponents.

Does he has plenty of areas of improvement, of course. But he has clearly improved from his rookie season, albeit it's only the summer league. But you want to see progress from a young player regardless of the competition, and he is seemingly headed in the right direction.

I for one am happy he is progressing as a player, and even though it will be difficult for him to get minutes this upcoming season, if he can continue to get better, maybe the season after, we opt to keep Drummond as the starting centre instead, and keep Marko as the backup and move on from Vuc. What would be a shame is if we continue to invest time on Marko, he develops and the fruits of our investment is rewarded for another team instead of the Bulls.



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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

Post#83 » by Rose2Boozer » Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:14 pm

Simonovic is a solid long term prospect. Last season was his chance to develop at the G-League level, and this coming season should be his chance to develop with the NBA squad. At this point, Marko has developed past G-League and Summer League competition. He has to now earn his stripes with the Chicago Bulls.

It's Justin Lewis' time to develop at the G-League level.
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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

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Can someone explain what the criteria was for the championship game? The standings show us as the #1 seed, yet the #2 and #3 seed are in the championship game.
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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

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Can someone explain what the criteria was for the championship game? The standings show us as the #1 seed, yet the #2 and #3 seed are in the championship game.



Point differential. The Knicks game, where we played so atrociously, did us in.
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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

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Can someone explain what the criteria was for the championship game? The standings show us as the #1 seed, yet the #2 and #3 seed are in the championship game.



Point differential. The Knicks game, where we played so atrociously, did us in.


So that was the end all be all? Actual record didn't matter? Yeah, we were done after game 2 then.
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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

Post#87 » by GoBlue72391 » Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:10 pm

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Dresden wrote:I think people are being way too negative on Simonivic. He's 7' tall, can rebound, can finish with either hand, can put the ball on the deck and drive by people, is a decent passer, he's relatively mobile, has decent strength, and seems to know how to play the game. I can't see why he won't be able to get some minutes on the Bulls this year, even with the addition of Drummond. I think we'll be much improved in the paint this year with Drummond, Simonivic and Vuc all playing.


People for some reason get off on being negative, and pretending they have some near certain knowledge on how a player is going to develop.

For instance, Marko’s athleticism is perfectly comparable to a huge number of NBA bigs, Zeller, Plumlee, Kaminsky, Nurkic, Vuc, RoLo, BroLo, Dieng, Valenciunas, Adams, Portis, Dedmond, etc. heck, Jokic isn’t particularly athletic - it’s the skills. Niko wasn’t all that athletic. Predicting where a 20 year old or 22 year old will end up…. huge variance, and can only speculate and give what you think are the odds breakdown,.. and then with any degree of basis only after you see a good amount of game film from the NBA, not college, not summer league…

The discussions remind me of the many posters on this forum who insisted it was ludicrous to think Jimmy Butler would ever be 75% the player that Luol Deng would be. So certain they were… and so very, very wrong. I mean, Jimmy had not much in stats in his first couple years, not that explosive, short wingspan for height…

Yeah...no. I just share my opinions on how I see them, positive or negative. I don't claim to have certain knowledge and I would love to be proven wrong on Marko. I'm not going to lie and give a different opinion just to be more positive for positivity's sake.

I've been optimistic about Terry and I have plenty of ammo to be negative on him if I wanted to, but I'm not, because I have actual reasons to be optimistic about him other than positivity for positivity's sake.

The problem isn't people who have pessimistic views on certain players. Those are generally the realists. The problem is people who think everyone should have positive opinions on every player and get mad when other people don't. If someone is optimistic about every player and gets mad at others for not being positive, then they're not being objective, they're being a homer.

You have a differing opinion on Marko than I do. You're bullish on him, I'm bearish on him. So what? Deal with it. This isn't a hivemind, people are going to have differing opinions. For what it's worth, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

Post#88 » by MGB8 » Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:18 pm

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Dresden wrote:I think people are being way too negative on Simonivic. He's 7' tall, can rebound, can finish with either hand, can put the ball on the deck and drive by people, is a decent passer, he's relatively mobile, has decent strength, and seems to know how to play the game. I can't see why he won't be able to get some minutes on the Bulls this year, even with the addition of Drummond. I think we'll be much improved in the paint this year with Drummond, Simonivic and Vuc all playing.


People for some reason get off on being negative, and pretending they have some near certain knowledge on how a player is going to develop.

For instance, Marko’s athleticism is perfectly comparable to a huge number of NBA bigs, Zeller, Plumlee, Kaminsky, Nurkic, Vuc, RoLo, BroLo, Dieng, Valenciunas, Adams, Portis, Dedmond, etc. heck, Jokic isn’t particularly athletic - it’s the skills. Niko wasn’t all that athletic. Predicting where a 20 year old or 22 year old will end up…. huge variance, and can only speculate and give what you think are the odds breakdown,.. and then with any degree of basis only after you see a good amount of game film from the NBA, not college, not summer league…

The discussions remind me of the many posters on this forum who insisted it was ludicrous to think Jimmy Butler would ever be 75% the player that Luol Deng would be. So certain they were… and so very, very wrong. I mean, Jimmy had not much in stats in his first couple years, not that explosive, short wingspan for height…

Yeah...no. I just share my opinions on how I see them, positive or negative. I don't claim to have certain knowledge and I would love to be proven wrong on Marko. I'm not going to lie and give a different opinion just to be more positive for positivity's sake.

I've been optimistic about Terry and I have plenty of ammo to be negative on him if I wanted to, but I'm not, because I have actual reasons to be optimistic about him other than positivity for positivity's sake.

The problem isn't people who have pessimistic views on certain players. Those are generally the realists. The problem is people who think everyone should have positive opinions on every player and get mad when other people don't. If someone is optimistic about every player and gets mad at others for not being positive, then they're not being objective, they're being a homer.

You have a differing opinion on Marko than I do. You're bullish on him, I'm bearish on him. So what? Deal with it. This isn't a hivemind, people are going to have differing opinions. For what it's worth, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.


Yeah, no.

I’m not bullish on Marko. Huge variance, 2nd rounder (with associated 2nd round level lack of elite physical traits or elite skill sets), and is limited to having proven that he can score pretty well in the G-League and to a somewhat lesser extent summer league, albeit with some cause for pause (1 bad summer league game). I just don’t pretend to have a better crystal ball than I do, so that I can pat myself on the back for being “more real.”
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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

Post#89 » by GoBlue72391 » Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:30 pm

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People for some reason get off on being negative, and pretending they have some near certain knowledge on how a player is going to develop.

For instance, Marko’s athleticism is perfectly comparable to a huge number of NBA bigs, Zeller, Plumlee, Kaminsky, Nurkic, Vuc, RoLo, BroLo, Dieng, Valenciunas, Adams, Portis, Dedmond, etc. heck, Jokic isn’t particularly athletic - it’s the skills. Niko wasn’t all that athletic. Predicting where a 20 year old or 22 year old will end up…. huge variance, and can only speculate and give what you think are the odds breakdown,.. and then with any degree of basis only after you see a good amount of game film from the NBA, not college, not summer league…

The discussions remind me of the many posters on this forum who insisted it was ludicrous to think Jimmy Butler would ever be 75% the player that Luol Deng would be. So certain they were… and so very, very wrong. I mean, Jimmy had not much in stats in his first couple years, not that explosive, short wingspan for height…

Yeah...no. I just share my opinions on how I see them, positive or negative. I don't claim to have certain knowledge and I would love to be proven wrong on Marko. I'm not going to lie and give a different opinion just to be more positive for positivity's sake.

I've been optimistic about Terry and I have plenty of ammo to be negative on him if I wanted to, but I'm not, because I have actual reasons to be optimistic about him other than positivity for positivity's sake.

The problem isn't people who have pessimistic views on certain players. Those are generally the realists. The problem is people who think everyone should have positive opinions on every player and get mad when other people don't. If someone is optimistic about every player and gets mad at others for not being positive, then they're not being objective, they're being a homer.

You have a differing opinion on Marko than I do. You're bullish on him, I'm bearish on him. So what? Deal with it. This isn't a hivemind, people are going to have differing opinions. For what it's worth, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.


Yeah, no.

I’m not bullish on Marko. Huge variance, 2nd rounder (with associated 2nd round level lack of elite physical traits or elite skill sets), and is limited to having proven that he can score pretty well in the G-League and to a somewhat lesser extent summer league, albeit with some cause for pause (1 bad summer league game). I just don’t pretend to have a better crystal ball than I do, so that I can pat myself on the back for being “more real.”

I'm not pretending to be right or to be smarter than others. I'm giving my opinion as I see it, with the caveat that I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again, and I hope I'm wrong on this specific topic.

If that bothers you in any way, then that's a you problem, not a me problem.
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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

Post#90 » by Dan Z » Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:49 pm

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I was the first in line for Jimmy is legitimately good. He had elite NBA skills out of the gate. He drew FTs at an elite rate, could defend, and didn't turn the ball over. Physically the only flaw Jimmy has is short arms which he over came with pretty much grinding. Marko has much more severe limitations to overcome and no valuable talent that will translate onto the NBA court. Also pretty much all the players you named are much better athletes and/or bigger than him



I wish I could find it. Isaiah Thomas (I know...IT...) made a video where he compared Butler to Sidney Moncrief. Surprisingly, it was good stuff.


I don't think I ever saw that video. What year was it?

I didn't really start following the bulls until 2012-2013 buy soph year Jimmy just popped out to me when he guarded melo and cooky hit a signature late clock Kobe midrange fadeaway on Kobe :lol:


I can't remember the year...Butler might've still been on the Bulls at that time. The video was on NBA.com. If I find it I'll post it.
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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

Post#91 » by Wingy » Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:00 pm

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I like the glimpses we've seen of Coach Bryant in the locker room. Maybe Billy can take a vaca, and we can try him out as head coach?
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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

Post#92 » by Repeat 3-peat » Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:09 pm

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I wish I could find it. Isaiah Thomas (I know...IT...) made a video where he compared Butler to Sidney Moncrief. Surprisingly, it was good stuff.


I don't think I ever saw that video. What year was it?

I didn't really start following the bulls until 2012-2013 buy soph year Jimmy just popped out to me when he guarded melo and cooky hit a signature late clock Kobe midrange fadeaway on Kobe :lol:


I can't remember the year...Butler might've still been on the Bulls at that time. The video was on NBA.com. If I find it I'll post it.


It was during Butler's breakout season in early 2014. I can't find a video of it, just a link to a NBA TV FB post.

https://m.facebook.com/nbatv/photos/a.325265057506074.81201.304301822935731/878681955497712/?type=3&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22O%22%7D
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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

Post#93 » by MrFortune3 » Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:31 pm

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Dalen is going to be a Noah like presence on this team.
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Post#94 » by Jeffster81 » Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:57 pm

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Can someone explain what the criteria was for the championship game? The standings show us as the #1 seed, yet the #2 and #3 seed are in the championship game.



Point differential. The Knicks game, where we played so atrociously, did us in.


What BS. Might as well pick two teams names out of a hat to play for the championship.
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Post#95 » by GoBlue72391 » Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:16 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:I'm really disappointed that Marko isn't getting the love he deserves. He had one pretty bad game, and the other games he has been really good. For a player who was regulated mostly to the g-league, he outplayed most of his opponents.

Does he has plenty of areas of improvement, of course. But he has clearly improved from his rookie season, albeit it's only the summer league. But you want to see progress from a young player regardless of the competition, and he is seemingly headed in the right direction.

I for one am happy he is progressing as a player, and even though it will be difficult for him to get minutes this upcoming season, if he can continue to get better, maybe the season after, we opt to keep Drummond as the starting centre instead, and keep Marko as the backup and move on from Vuc. What would be a shame is if we continue to invest time on Marko, he develops and the fruits of our investment is rewarded for another team instead of the Bulls.

If that happens it'll most likely be a European team.
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Post#96 » by sco » Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:42 pm

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Can someone explain what the criteria was for the championship game? The standings show us as the #1 seed, yet the #2 and #3 seed are in the championship game.



Point differential. The Knicks game, where we played so atrociously, did us in.


What BS. Might as well pick two teams names out of a hat to play for the championship.

Might as well it's the Summer League Championship. It's like winning the NIT tournament.
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Post#97 » by kodo » Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:46 pm

I liked the potential in Maker. Are we signing him to the WCB or something?
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Post#98 » by Jvaughn » Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:54 pm

kodo wrote:I liked the potential in Maker. Are we signing him to the WCB or something?


Hoping it's a Bulls contract. Those are the types of projects you want to retain rights on. Would suck if we keep him on WCB and someone like Toronto or Spurs pilfers him from us.
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Post#99 » by sco » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:09 pm

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kodo wrote:I liked the potential in Maker. Are we signing him to the WCB or something?


Hoping it's a Bulls contract. Those are the types of projects you want to retain rights on. Would suck if we keep him on WCB and someone like Toronto or Spurs pilfers him from us.

I remain optimistic that we haven't "committed" to a second 2-way contract yet. There seem to be a bunch of guys who showed decent potential that would be an upgrade over Hill. That said, I liked what I saw in Liberty on both ends of the court, but we don't need another guard (unless we trade Coby).
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Re: SL GT 5, Bulls @ Sixers, 16 Jul 2022, 6PM CT, ESPN3 

Post#100 » by GoBlue72391 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:08 am

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kodo wrote:I liked the potential in Maker. Are we signing him to the WCB or something?


Hoping it's a Bulls contract. Those are the types of projects you want to retain rights on. Would suck if we keep him on WCB and someone like Toronto or Spurs pilfers him from us.

I remain optimistic that we haven't "committed" to a second 2-way contract yet. There seem to be a bunch of guys who showed decent potential that would be an upgrade over Hill. That said, I liked what I saw in Liberty on both ends of the court, but we don't need another guard (unless we trade Coby).

Freeman-Liberty looked like an unabashed chucking ball stopper to me. Hard pass.

Maker would be a nice two-way guy, Lewis would be alright but he doesn't really wow me.

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