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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#81 » by Archx » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:09 pm

KhalilS wrote:I think it's very simple, when the game got close, he was afraid to put weak FT shooter in, and he trusted the guys that played the team 7 games in the PO in May.
It's a very disappointing loss, but lots of good came out of it, the glaring bad thing is what we expected, the moment Dinwiddie goes to bench, Luka is much easier to blitz, I think Wood can be a good release valve until a good player comes along.


Yeah i agree with that. I think Kidd is trying to figure out what works and what not. It was a bit easier with Brunson since he had sick ball handles and he could cover Luka on offense but Dinwiddie will have to play in much better form to be a real threat. So it's basically Luka and Wood for now. It is also evident that THJ will need couple of games to slow down a bit and fix his shot to what it was.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#82 » by Bob8 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:17 pm

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KhalilS wrote:I think it's very simple, when the game got close, he was afraid to put weak FT shooter in, and he trusted the guys that played the team 7 games in the PO in May.
It's a very disappointing loss, but lots of good came out of it, the glaring bad thing is what we expected, the moment Dinwiddie goes to bench, Luka is much easier to blitz, I think Wood can be a good release valve until a good player comes along.


Yeah i agree with that. I think Kidd is trying to figure out what works and what not. It was a bit easier with Brunson since he had sick ball handles and he could cover Luka on offense but Dinwiddie will have to play in much better form to be a real threat. So it's basically Luka and Wood for now. It is also evident that THJ will need couple of games to slow down a bit and fix his shot to what it was.


Problem with that roster is that Luka's usage will go up even more. If someone believes that he can play 82 games RS with usage near 40%, play good D and be efficient, good luck with that.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#83 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:17 pm

https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/dallas-mavericks-jason-kidd-2022-decision-sit-christian-wood-costs-suns/amp

I have never seen something like this, a player who scores 16 straight points benched for the final minutes. Never.

And no, C-Wood didn't start for his defense but because our genial FO promised the starting spot to a journey back up C.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#84 » by ejs78 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:40 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/dallas-mavericks-jason-kidd-2022-decision-sit-christian-wood-costs-suns/amp

I have never seen something like this, a player who scores 16 straight points benched for the final minutes. Never.

And no, C-Wood didn't start for his defense but because our genial FO promised the starting spot to a journey back up C.



Mcgee only played 14 mins which was likely going to happen even if he didnt start as his size and rim protection will be needed at times. Much rather see him play 14 min than Powell.

Wood's rest was too long, but he needs to show he can be trusted. Most Piston fans here in Detroit who actually know whats going on didnt really seem to bothered when he left. Super talented offensively, but has been know as a bonehead at times who is only looking out for himself.

If anything a couple mins could have been taken off others and given to Wood. Over time his mins should increase just like Bullocks did last year.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#85 » by daoneandonly » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:44 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:It's funny how the guy that keeps bringing up Brunson was the same guy who last year kept insisting Luka dn Brunson can't play together.

Terrible close out, it happens. They got complacent. It's easy to focus on the bad: Wood missed way too many FT's, McGee is not a starter, THJ is too streaky, and Josh Green is garbage, but there were plenty of good things to take away too.


It's funny how difficult is to understand, why Brunson was so important. He was instant replacement for Luka, when he was out, having bad game or blitzed. They were not great fit because of D, but having someone to generate offense was for sure great +.


Don't feed the troll(s).


You mean like you? Criticize everything about the Mavs except the worst player/contract on the team Davis Bertans. WHo couldn't even try and play yesterday?
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#86 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:51 pm

ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/dallas-mavericks-jason-kidd-2022-decision-sit-christian-wood-costs-suns/amp

I have never seen something like this, a player who scores 16 straight points benched for the final minutes. Never.

And no, C-Wood didn't start for his defense but because our genial FO promised the starting spot to a journey back up C.



Mcgee only played 14 mins which was likely going to happen even if he didnt start as his size and rim protection will be needed at times. Much rather see him play 14 min than Powell.

Wood's rest was too long, but he needs to show he can be trusted. Most Piston fans here in Detroit who actually know whats going on didnt really seem to bothered when he left. Super talented offensively, but has been know as a bonehead at times who is only looking out for himself.

If anything a couple mins could have been taken off others and given to Wood. Over time his mins should increase just like Bullocks did last year.


I agree with the bolded for sure :lol:

About Wood, this is his last chance to prove that he can be a piece for a contender. It's all in his hands.
But if Kidd didn't ride him when he is super hot it's not his fault.
That was not only a bad decision but a no sense. And not his first one.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#87 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:55 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
It's funny how difficult is to understand, why Brunson was so important. He was instant replacement for Luka, when he was out, having bad game or blitzed. They were not great fit because of D, but having someone to generate offense was for sure great +.


Don't feed the troll(s).


You mean like you? Criticize everything about the Mavs except the worst player/contract on the team Davis Bertans. WHo couldn't even try and play yesterday?


He was injuried, you don't even know that... This prove who is the troll. Have a good day.
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Post#88 » by ejs78 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:01 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/dallas-mavericks-jason-kidd-2022-decision-sit-christian-wood-costs-suns/amp

I have never seen something like this, a player who scores 16 straight points benched for the final minutes. Never.

And no, C-Wood didn't start for his defense but because our genial FO promised the starting spot to a journey back up C.



Mcgee only played 14 mins which was likely going to happen even if he didnt start as his size and rim protection will be needed at times. Much rather see him play 14 min than Powell.

Wood's rest was too long, but he needs to show he can be trusted. Most Piston fans here in Detroit who actually know whats going on didnt really seem to bothered when he left. Super talented offensively, but has been know as a bonehead at times who is only looking out for himself.

If anything a couple mins could have been taken off others and given to Wood. Over time his mins should increase just like Bullocks did last year.


I agree with the bolded for sure :lol:

About Wood, this is his last chance to prove that he can be a piece for a contender. It's all in his hands.
But if Kidd didn't ride him when he is super hot it's not his fault.
That was not only a bad decision but a no sense. And not the first of Kidd.


I agree he could have played more, but again Wood needs to be doing everything thats asked of him to earn more mins. Theres a reason why hes bounced around so much.

Tides shifted both ways in the game based on some foul trouble.
Ayton in the first half played like 10 min and dominated the 2nd half
Spencer built up some good momentum the 1st half for it all to vanish after the 4th foul and that when things started to go south.

Usually the Mavs get hammered on national TV games or just look completely terrible for whole games earlier on in the year.

Cant get too up ordown after 1 game. If that was the case Denver fans would be rioting.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#89 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:10 pm

ejs78 wrote:
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ejs78 wrote:

Mcgee only played 14 mins which was likely going to happen even if he didnt start as his size and rim protection will be needed at times. Much rather see him play 14 min than Powell.

Wood's rest was too long, but he needs to show he can be trusted. Most Piston fans here in Detroit who actually know whats going on didnt really seem to bothered when he left. Super talented offensively, but has been know as a bonehead at times who is only looking out for himself.

If anything a couple mins could have been taken off others and given to Wood. Over time his mins should increase just like Bullocks did last year.


I agree with the bolded for sure :lol:

About Wood, this is his last chance to prove that he can be a piece for a contender. It's all in his hands.
But if Kidd didn't ride him when he is super hot it's not his fault.
That was not only a bad decision but a no sense. And not the first of Kidd.


I agree he could have played more, but again Wood needs to be doing everything thats asked of him to earn more mins. Theres a reason why hes bounced around so much.

Tides shifted both ways in the game based on some foul trouble.
Ayton in the first half played like 10 min and dominated the 2nd half
Spencer built up some good momentum the 1st half for it all to vanish after the 4th foul and that when things started to go south.

Usually the Mavs get hammered on national TV games or just look completely terrible for whole games earlier on in the year.

Cant get too up ordown after 1 game. If that was the case Denver fans would be rioting.


He can score and grab rebounds, we can't expect that he will become a lock down defender too.
He would be Anthony Davis :lol:

For sure Wood has to improve a lot but yesterday we needed a Luka side kick in the final minutes and not 4 figurines who forced him to play hero ball.
Monty played the last minutes with Payne and Lee because they were hot, Kidd played with his pupils.
It's not the first time that he can't read the game.

Denver is in a different situation... Murray was out 2 years and MPJ 1. They need time( Just like THJ).
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#90 » by ejs78 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:17 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
I agree with the bolded for sure :lol:

About Wood, this is his last chance to prove that he can be a piece for a contender. It's all in his hands.
But if Kidd didn't ride him when he is super hot it's not his fault.
That was not only a bad decision but a no sense. And not the first of Kidd.


I agree he could have played more, but again Wood needs to be doing everything thats asked of him to earn more mins. Theres a reason why hes bounced around so much.

Tides shifted both ways in the game based on some foul trouble.
Ayton in the first half played like 10 min and dominated the 2nd half
Spencer built up some good momentum the 1st half for it all to vanish after the 4th foul and that when things started to go south.

Usually the Mavs get hammered on national TV games or just look completely terrible for whole games earlier on in the year.

Cant get too up ordown after 1 game. If that was the case Denver fans would be rioting.


He can score and grab rebounds, we can't expect that he will become a lock down defender too.
He would be Anthony Davis :lol:

For sure Wood has to improve a lot but yesterday we needed a Luka side kick in the final minutes and not 4 figurines who forced him to play hero ball.
Monty played the last minutes with Payne and Lee because they were hot, Kidd played with his pupils.
It's not the first time that he can't read the game.

Denver is in a different situation... Murray was out 2 years and MPJ 1. They need time( Just like THJ).



Again its game 1 and Kidd went with who he trusted. I guess I rather have Kidd read the game in the playoffs vs Monty than the regular season.

Yes a different situation in Denver in the fact they played Utah a team trying to lose games and the Mavs played a team trying to win a title.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#91 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:26 pm

ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
I agree he could have played more, but again Wood needs to be doing everything thats asked of him to earn more mins. Theres a reason why hes bounced around so much.

Tides shifted both ways in the game based on some foul trouble.
Ayton in the first half played like 10 min and dominated the 2nd half
Spencer built up some good momentum the 1st half for it all to vanish after the 4th foul and that when things started to go south.

Usually the Mavs get hammered on national TV games or just look completely terrible for whole games earlier on in the year.

Cant get too up ordown after 1 game. If that was the case Denver fans would be rioting.


He can score and grab rebounds, we can't expect that he will become a lock down defender too.
He would be Anthony Davis :lol:

For sure Wood has to improve a lot but yesterday we needed a Luka side kick in the final minutes and not 4 figurines who forced him to play hero ball.
Monty played the last minutes with Payne and Lee because they were hot, Kidd played with his pupils.
It's not the first time that he can't read the game.

Denver is in a different situation... Murray was out 2 years and MPJ 1. They need time( Just like THJ).



Again its game 1 and Kidd went with who he trusted. I guess I rather have Kidd read the game in the playoffs vs Monty than the regular season.

Yes a different situation in Denver in the fact they played Utah a team trying to lose games and the Mavs played a team trying to win a title.


I understand... i hope also Kidd understand from his errors too.
An hot Wood can't be benched for Kleber. No way.

Naaaaaaa no teams try to lose game at the beginning of the season :wink:

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Suns have 0 chance to win the title, their Finals apparence was only lucky.
75% of total superstars in NBA are out that year.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#92 » by daoneandonly » Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:30 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Don't feed the troll(s).


You mean like you? Criticize everything about the Mavs except the worst player/contract on the team Davis Bertans. WHo couldn't even try and play yesterday?


He was injuried, you don't even know that... This prove who is the troll. Have a good day.


Injured from what? Eurobasket or whatever? He makes 12 million daollars more than he should a year he needs to tough it out.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#93 » by Archx » Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:48 pm

The only tragic thing about this game was the fact that Powell didn't play so his streak of 139 consecutive games that he was hit in the head, at least once, has ended. :banghead: :football: :curse:
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#94 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:51 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
You mean like you? Criticize everything about the Mavs except the worst player/contract on the team Davis Bertans. WHo couldn't even try and play yesterday?


He was injuried, you don't even know that... This prove who is the troll. Have a good day.


Injured from what? Eurobasket or whatever? He makes 12 million daollars more than he should a year he needs to tough it out.


I am very concerned about your obsession with Bertans... Do you think it's time to go visit a psychologist? :lol: :lol: :lol:

All the world know that he is overpaid but it doesn't matter for our salary cap... He can makes 1M or 100M and we will not have cap space anyway.

Raither it's better an high salary for a future trade.

So, long live to Bertans and enjoy see him makes a 3 after 3... After 3... After 3... And go on my friend :wink:
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#95 » by Absinthe » Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:41 pm

Brunson was a bad fit with Luka because of his size and lack of defense. I didn’t want the Mavs to resign him and I’m glad they didn’t, especially because of the contract he commanded. With that said, they needed to have a backup plan if he walked in free agency and they should have signed or traded for someone who could create their own offense. They’re wasting some of Luka’s best years by not getting a reliable second star to pair with him.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#96 » by dirkdiggler4177 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:44 pm

BliscoSantos wrote:Great first half,choked in second...Luka was bad in second half,his defense is non-existent...looks like it's gonna be a bumpy season...Green still looks useless on ofense


Go to this website and https://the-high-low.com/ click "players", select all the defensive attributes, and tell me he played defense. Yes, he let Payne shoot, but you should let Payne shoot. He had some really good defense at the start. Rest was okei.
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Post#97 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:12 pm

Absinthe wrote:Brunson was a bad fit with Luka because of his size and lack of defense. I didn’t want the Mavs to resign him and I’m glad they didn’t, especially because of the contract he commanded. With that said, they needed to have a backup plan if he walked in free agency and they should have signed or traded for someone who could create their own offense. They’re wasting some of Luka’s best years by not getting a reliable second star to pair with him.


I'm agree with the first part of the post, the have to replace Brunson.
Everybody knew that and what makes me angry is what Cuban said... He jokes us like every year.

About the second part, they paired Luka with a second star but he didn't fit and was always injuried.
That process cost us 3years.
I'm not blaiming our FO for that, **** happens.
Probably they will trade for someone before the TDL or next summer, if they will fail again Luka is gone.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Suns (Oct. 19, 10PM EST) 

Post#98 » by Apz » Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:55 pm

On the positive side, migjt only be me, but think wood wasnt bad in defense?
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Post#99 » by Michaellam1987 » Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:12 am

Disappointing losses, unlimited Luka 1 on 1 in late game again, and he can't play any good defense. I remember years ago, DAL is used to have offense/defense subsituation in tight late game situation, in order to get the best from the team and also save for Dirk's energy and avoid his defense deficiencies. Kidd can make reference to this. The tight late game defense line up features DFS/Bullock/Maxi is absolutely fine for me, and better don't involve Luka and/or Wood to perserve their energy. On the other hand, Luka/Dinwiddie/Wood must all be included, together with 2 shooters (depending who is hotter on that night) in the late game offensive line up.
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Post#100 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:21 am

Apz wrote:On the positive side, migjt only be me, but think wood wasnt bad in defense?


Me too...also he is a decent blocker.

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