2023 Offseason

[wco81]

I don't trust DTs to consistently get double-digit sacks, unless it's Donald, who can rush from all over the line.

It also points to the failure of picking Kinlaw.

[CrimsonCrew]

I don't trust DTs to consistently get double-digit sacks, unless it's Donald, who can rush from all over the line.

It also points to the failure of picking Kinlaw.

Not sacks, which are an unpredictable metric. But Hargrave has been one of the best interior pass rushers in the league for two years running, now. I see no reason to anticipate that would change.

[thesack12]

As long as Hargrave can stay at or near the level of play he's provided the last couple seasons, I like the potential impact the signing can provide. So looking at it as a stand alone move without trying to measure all the peripherals, I like the signing.

However, as you start to pull away some of the layers as mentioned previously by other posters in this thread, this signing will surely have ripple effects on the cap for the next few seasons. 9ers will undoubtedly lose some talent, making this caliber of expensive signing.

Also, I'm not all that excited that despite the ENORMOUS amount of resources the 9ers have invested into the DL the last several seasons, they still find themselves thinking they perpetually have needs along the line and still feel compelled to give out massive contracts like this to keep adding to the position group. Now it makes total sense, to not fall into the "sunken cost fallacy" trap especially with guys like Kinlaw. But it sure does seem like the 9ers have been far more successful taking the strategy of identifying and targeting castoffs, reclamation projects, low round draft picks, and guys coming off injury type of transactions where they pick up those guys for cheap, and Kocurek coaches them up and mines solid production out of them. Armsteads massive extension, Dee Ford trade, Kinlaw pick, Jackson pick, etc sure as hell haven't netted great returns. Granted, there is still time/hope for Jackson but using your 1st pick (in a draft where you are short on picks) on a guy who was a rotational player that only played on passing downs and was a healthy inactive for several games down the stretch (including the entirety of the playoffs) doesn't give you the warm and fuzzies about that investment. Especially when the 9ers were quite short on pass rushing juice during that span of time.

Also, don't love giving that large of a contract to a guy already on the wrong side of 30.

We'll see, Hargrave is a VERY good player so it could turn out to be a really good signing. I just worry about what effects it will have on the cap and how Javon ages.

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Would have to see the exact details but man it feels like a pretty big overpay on the Bronco's part.

Seems pretty similar to the deal we gave Hargraves and Hargraves is a way better player than McGlinchey.

Wowza!

That's a massive overpay for McGlinchey. I wouldn't have been thrilled if the 9ers extended him at a price half of that.

Mcglinchey is inconsistent, always struggled with pass protection, and when he got hurt last season there really wasn't much of a dropoff with Tom Compton. Actually Compton graded out better than Mike.

Don't love that the 9ers now have a hole at RT, but honestly McGlinchey shouldn't be a huge loss. Absolutely not worth keeping him at anything close to that price.

Good luck Denver

[CrimsonCrew]

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Would have to see the exact details but man it feels like a pretty big overpay on the Bronco's part.

Seems pretty similar to the deal we gave Hargraves and Hargraves is a way better player than McGlinchey.

Wowza!

That's a massive overpay for McGlinchey. I wouldn't have been thrilled if the 9ers extended him at a price half of that.

Mcglinchey is inconsistent, always struggled with pass protection, and when he got hurt last season there really wasn't much of a dropoff with Tom Compton. Actually Compton graded out better than Mike.

Don't love that the 9ers now have a hole at RT, but honestly McGlinchey shouldn't be a huge loss. Absolutely not worth keeping him at anything close to that price.

Good luck Denver

McGlinchey gets a bit of a bad rap because when he loses, he loses so darn UGLY. Like last year when Parsons literally got him horizontal to the ground. But while he'll lose a couple blocks badly in a game, he's quietly adequate on most plays. And he's been a really good run blocker at time.

But yeah, this is a ton of money for a guy who has never even been a particularly good pass blocker. Real lack of talent along the OL in the NFL these days.

[thesack12]

Re-signing Gipson is a big time retention. He was among the best safeties in the league last season in both the run and passing game. Also, unlike pretty much every other 9er DB, he actually possesses some degree of ball skills.

The fact that he came back cheap, is icing on the cake...

Ehh, I'm pretty indifferent on the Darnold signing. 9ers had to bring in another vet QB. Darnold wasn't really the type of vet I was envisioning, but vet QB's aren't cheaper either. I don't see much of any untapped upside in Sam, as he's proven to be a legitimately bad QB over a sizable sample size. However, under Kyle's tutelage I can see Sam becoming a good backup/occasional bridge starter caliber QB, with a career path similar to the Tyrod Taylor/Case Keenum mold. As a QB3, they could definitely do worse (a la Sudfeld, Johnson, etc.)

[Jikkle]

Would have to see the exact details but man it feels like a pretty big overpay on the Bronco's part.

Seems pretty similar to the deal we gave Hargraves and Hargraves is a way better player than McGlinchey.

Wowza!

That's a massive overpay for McGlinchey. I wouldn't have been thrilled if the 9ers extended him at a price half of that.

Mcglinchey is inconsistent, always struggled with pass protection, and when he got hurt last season there really wasn't much of a dropoff with Tom Compton. Actually Compton graded out better than Mike.

Don't love that the 9ers now have a hole at RT, but honestly McGlinchey shouldn't be a huge loss. Absolutely not worth keeping him at anything close to that price.

Good luck Denver

McGlinchey gets a bit of a bad rap because when he loses, he loses so darn UGLY. Like last year when Parsons literally got him horizontal to the ground. But while he'll lose a couple blocks badly in a game, he's quietly adequate on most plays. And he's been a really good run blocker at time.

But yeah, this is a ton of money for a guy who has never even been a particularly good pass blocker. Real lack of talent along the OL in the NFL these days.

I agree that he's not as bad as his perception is but the problem was not only did he lose ugly at times he lost ugly at the worst possible moments and that contributed to his terrible reputation.

I also believe that the injuries have sapped his effectiveness in the run game. He was one of the best run blocking tackles especially getting to the next level and you could see that's why Shanahan fell in love with him but he just doesn't seem to be able to be quite as dominant there as he once was.

[thesack12]

Would have to see the exact details but man it feels like a pretty big overpay on the Bronco's part.

Seems pretty similar to the deal we gave Hargraves and Hargraves is a way better player than McGlinchey.

Wowza!

That's a massive overpay for McGlinchey. I wouldn't have been thrilled if the 9ers extended him at a price half of that.

Mcglinchey is inconsistent, always struggled with pass protection, and when he got hurt last season there really wasn't much of a dropoff with Tom Compton. Actually Compton graded out better than Mike.

Don't love that the 9ers now have a hole at RT, but honestly McGlinchey shouldn't be a huge loss. Absolutely not worth keeping him at anything close to that price.

Good luck Denver

McGlinchey gets a bit of a bad rap because when he loses, he loses so darn UGLY. Like last year when Parsons literally got him horizontal to the ground. But while he'll lose a couple blocks badly in a game, he's quietly adequate on most plays. And he's been a really good run blocker at time.

But yeah, this is a ton of money for a guy who has never even been a particularly good pass blocker. Real lack of talent along the OL in the NFL these days.

Yup, when McGlinchey is bad he's REAL damn bad. He gets beaten far too frequently. Worse yet he'll miss assignments and flat out whiff on blocks at times. I don't have the numbers handy, but seems like he's got to be in the upper tiers of most penalties committed as well. Also seems like a lot of his penalties were especially back breaking and called back big plays, or completely took the air out of the sails on drives that were marching downfield.

Agreed, for that kind of $ you would expect a complete player. McGlinchey is not that guy. Fortunately for him, he hit a market that had a dearth of available OT talent.

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I think he’s better than Purdy. Definitely better than Johnson.

Krueger is suggesting that the signing of Darnold means Trey Lance could be traded. I don’t quite believe that. York would be livid - we gave up the farm to acquire Lance. We can’t quit on that investment so soon:

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[RIPskaterdude]

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I think he’s better than Purdy. Definitely better than Johnson.

Krueger is suggesting that the signing of Darnold means Trey Lance could be traded. I don’t quite believe that. York would be livid - we gave up the farm to acquire Lance. We can’t quit on that investment so soon:

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Yeah don't buy it as they have 0 reason to trade Lance even if Purdy is the favorite son right now.

I mean we're not even 100% sure if Purdy is going to be back in 6 months and even if he's back if he's back to what he was before.

It's likely the 6 month timeline holds and Purdy is back to his old self but it's not a certainty either.

I see it as a move in bringing a guy with some upside and that you know can start than brining in a Johnson type in an ancient Vet that has 0 upside at all.

Not to mention both Lance and Purdy have been injured in limited action and the team just got done with an NFC championship game where they ran out of QBs and they'd be on the 5th string QB if they had one.

So it's not unusual for the team to want to have 3 viable starters going into the season.

[wco81]

Agree that 49ers should have let McGlinchey walks, especially at that price.

But it's a squandered top 10 pick, yet another one.

[Samurai]

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I think he’s better than Purdy. Definitely better than Johnson.

Krueger is suggesting that the signing of Darnold means Trey Lance could be traded. I don’t quite believe that. York would be livid - we gave up the farm to acquire Lance. We can’t quit on that investment so soon:

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Lance hasn't proven anything in the NFL (or even college) and is coming off an injury. His trade value right now is at its lowest level. Trading him when he is at his lowest trade value makes absolutely no sense.

[Jikkle]

As long as Hargrave can stay at or near the level of play he's provided the last couple seasons, I like the potential impact the signing can provide. So looking at it as a stand alone move without trying to measure all the peripherals, I like the signing.

However, as you start to pull away some of the layers as mentioned previously by other posters in this thread, this signing will surely have ripple effects on the cap for the next few seasons. 9ers will undoubtedly lose some talent, making this caliber of expensive signing.

Also, I'm not all that excited that despite the ENORMOUS amount of resources the 9ers have invested into the DL the last several seasons, they still find themselves thinking they perpetually have needs along the line and still feel compelled to give out massive contracts like this to keep adding to the position group. Now it makes total sense, to not fall into the "sunken cost fallacy" trap especially with guys like Kinlaw. But it sure does seem like the 9ers have been far more successful taking the strategy of identifying and targeting castoffs, reclamation projects, low round draft picks, and guys coming off injury type of transactions where they pick up those guys for cheap, and Kocurek coaches them up and mines solid production out of them. Armsteads massive extension, Dee Ford trade, Kinlaw pick, Jackson pick, etc sure as hell haven't netted great returns. Granted, there is still time/hope for Jackson but using your 1st pick (in a draft where you are short on picks) on a guy who was a rotational player that only played on passing downs and was a healthy inactive for several games down the stretch (including the entirety of the playoffs) doesn't give you the warm and fuzzies about that investment. Especially when the 9ers were quite short on pass rushing juice during that span of time.

Also, don't love giving that large of a contract to a guy already on the wrong side of 30.

We'll see, Hargrave is a VERY good player so it could turn out to be a really good signing. I just worry about what effects it will have on the cap and how Javon ages.

I'm not overly worried about the age as DTs still remain pretty effective in the early 30s.

Despite all the quality pieces we have along the defensive line the DTs just haven't been very good at rushing the passer so I'm onboard with bringing a guy that can replicate what Buckner did for the team in 2019 and help take pressure off of Bosa and Armstead to put them in better matchups to create havoc. And if Drake Jackson develops and pans out they could be this year's version of the Eagles pass rush.

I'm just a believer in the trenches which is why the offensive line always frustrates me as I do understand going cheaper on the offense in favor of the defense but it just feels like outside of Trent, Shanahan seems like he's always dumpster diving to fill out the offensive line.

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[wco81]

Also a couple of years ago they let DJ Jones walk.

Wow Broncos are paying him just under $13 million the next two seasons. He may not collect that money, may have already gotten his guaranteed money. He's 28.

He's not a big pass rusher but he'd make some plays now and then overpowering his man.


Hargrave is suppose to be big pass rusher guy so we will see.

Buckner is getting $20 million each of the next two seasons and he's 28. He's had 24.5 sacks in his 3 seasons with the Colts, including 8 last year.

Guess they didn't think they could pay a DT $20 million a year when they traded Buckner.

[Samurai]

Tough to lose Ward but it's not a big surprise. Makes re-signing Moseley, and keeping him healthy, an even bigger priority.

[Jikkle]

Also a couple of years ago they let DJ Jones walk.

Wow Broncos are paying him just under $13 million the next two seasons. He may not collect that money, may have already gotten his guaranteed money. He's 28.

He's not a big pass rusher but he'd make some plays now and then overpowering his man.


Hargrave is suppose to be big pass rusher guy so we will see.

Buckner is getting $20 million each of the next two seasons and he's 28. He's had 24.5 sacks in his 3 seasons with the Colts, including 8 last year.

Guess they didn't think they could pay a DT $20 million a year when they traded Buckner.

With Buckner I think money was just a part of it and I think they tried to be clever and thought Armstead with a cheaper deal + 1st round pick on a rookie deal would be more valuable than just Buckner alone.

I'm sure if they could rewind time they'd let Armstead walk and have kept Buckner.

Hargraves is basically them trying to salvage what they envisioned Armstead and Kinlaw would be and try to recapture that 19 magic of Armstead and Buckner. I'm sure they are crossing their fingers for Drake Jackson to develop into a Dee Ford type and have that crazy strong line we had when Ford (the rare times he was healthy), Armstead, Buckner, and Bosa in 2019

[RIPskaterdude]

Also a couple of years ago they let DJ Jones walk.

Wow Broncos are paying him just under $13 million the next two seasons. He may not collect that money, may have already gotten his guaranteed money. He's 28.

He's not a big pass rusher but he'd make some plays now and then overpowering his man.


Hargrave is suppose to be big pass rusher guy so we will see.

Buckner is getting $20 million each of the next two seasons and he's 28. He's had 24.5 sacks in his 3 seasons with the Colts, including 8 last year.

Guess they didn't think they could pay a DT $20 million a year when they traded Buckner.

Don't understand this argument. Yes, I'm sure they wish they could have kept DJ or Buckner, but they were able to fill DT now because they have QBs on rookie deals.