Doc Rivers has been fired

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The Embiid holding back Harden thing is hilarious. Harden can score at a high level once a week if lucky and usually with Embiid drawing away defenders. Budenholzer is the best bet for building around a big in Embiid, not playing him too many minutes and getting the best out of reclamation projects, which the Sixers will need to add depth.

If you watched the two games Harden dropped 40+ vs Celtics, It's nothing to do with Embiid drawing away defenders, it's about Harden getting enough touches and confidence himself. Harden on a lottery team with enough touches can still give you 25 + 10.
I think Maxey benefits a lot with the attention Embiid/Harden draw. It would be interesting to see what he can do if he's the alpha..

This is true, but if we give Harden the keys can he keep the same level in the playoffs against great defenses? I think not. So it would be fools gold.

That's why I'd be ok moving on and handing the keys to Maxey. He's not ready yet but having him shoulder the load will accelerate his development. And if we're fortunate he takes a big jump next year ala Brunson and Shai this season.

[Jay555]

The Embiid holding back Harden thing is hilarious. Harden can score at a high level once a week if lucky and usually with Embiid drawing away defenders. Budenholzer is the best bet for building around a big in Embiid, not playing him too many minutes and getting the best out of reclamation projects, which the Sixers will need to add depth.

If you watched the two games Harden dropped 40+ vs Celtics, It's nothing to do with Embiid drawing away defenders, it's about Harden getting enough touches and confidence himself. Harden on a lottery team with enough touches can still give you 25 + 10.
I think Maxey benefits a lot with the attention Embiid/Harden draw. It would be interesting to see what he can do if he's the alpha..

This is true, but if we give Harden the keys can he keep the same level in the playoffs against great defenses? I think not. So it would be fools gold.

That's why I'd be ok moving on and handing the keys to Maxey. He's not ready yet but having him shoulder the load will accelerate his development. And if we're fortunate he takes a big jump next year ala Brunson and Shai this season.

We do not give the keys to Harden. He's, according to Doc, before the training camp starterd, the third option of the team. Joel still has the keys. Maxey needs to develop more bags in the summer. Right now there is a big gap between him and the said players.

[brannigan73]

I dont think Maxey is the answer as the full time point guard going forward. He is a combo guard that can play some point. You better bring in another guard that can play make. Also, came we stop pretending Harden wasn't very good during the regular season because he was. Maxey and Embiid are not going to have the same cohesion in the nail area like Harden and Embiid. I'm not saying resign Harden but if he goes and is replaced by average decent starting guard x the Sixers are going to be worse. Thats why we are in a terrible spot. Extending Harding would be a long term mistake but if they let him go there worse. They are worse.

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I know everyone loves Maxey, but I would start getting prepared to see him on another team.

They fired Glenn for Harden. They didn’t fire Glenn for Joel. They certainly didn’t fire him for Maxey.

Expect MDA to be the new coach and the team to be more Harden-centric, for better or worse. Probably worse, but it is what it is. No one wants to rebuild, so instead you get a ****show.

They need bigger guys. With the matador himself assigned to the other team’s version of PJ Tucker, everyone else better be good enough to at least not get targeted.

And since Harden and Embiid are chokers, you still need a number 1 option to throw it to and get buckets. Morey can sell that to everyone as “star hunting”. No toes stepped on.

[Jay555]

I know everyone loves Maxey, but I would start getting prepared to see him on another team.

They fired Glenn for Harden. They didn’t fire Glenn for Joel. They certainly didn’t fire him for Maxey.

Expect MDA to be the new coach and the team to be more Harden-centric, for better or worse. Probably worse, but it is what it is. No one wants to rebuild, so instead you get a ****show.

They need bigger guys. With the matador himself assigned to the other team’s version of PJ Tucker, everyone else better be good enough to at least not get targeted.

And since Harden and Embiid are chokers, you still need a number 1 option to throw it to and get buckets. Morey can sell that to everyone as “star hunting”. No toes stepped on.

Not true. If anything, Maxey will look awsome under MDA. Guy turns guards into an absolute star.

That said, Embiid's role on offence would be diminished and he'd better be ready for that if we get MDA.

I want Nurse.

[the_process]

Nurse would be my first choice because we know he’s very good with matchups and adjustments. Apparently he sucks at managing people though.

Harden couldn’t handle Glenn because Glenn asked him to defer a little. Harden would be ignoring Nurse by January

[FlyingArrow]

I know everyone loves Maxey, but I would start getting prepared to see him on another team.

They fired Glenn for Harden. They didn’t fire Glenn for Joel. They certainly didn’t fire him for Maxey.

They fired Glenn because keeping him would've been impossible. Rivers used his last chance. If Glenn came back, this would be Morey's last GM job. We know we wouldn't win with Glenn, and a championship would've been the only way Morey could come back from the (rightly) perceived error of retaining Glenn after this debacle.

That said - there's a very good chance that we keep Harden and hire MDA. I don't think it's as easy as saying we fired RIvers for Harden, though. Rivers was gone regardless.

[the_process]

I know everyone loves Maxey, but I would start getting prepared to see him on another team.

They fired Glenn for Harden. They didn’t fire Glenn for Joel. They certainly didn’t fire him for Maxey.

They fired Glenn because keeping him would've been impossible. Rivers used his last chance. If Glenn came back, this would be Morey's last GM job. We know we wouldn't win with Glenn, and a championship would've been the only way Morey could come back from the (rightly) perceived error of retaining Glenn after this debacle.

That said - there's a very good chance that we keep Harden and hire MDA. I don't think it's as easy as saying we fired RIvers for Harden, though. Rivers was gone regardless.

No, Morey didn’t fire Glenn in a vacuum because of the money involved. Ownership signed off. So if Glenn stayed, Morey would have also been acting on the will of ownership. That’s not getting anyone blacklisted. In fact, selling a bad ownership decision well will absolutely get you hired over and over again by that same group of owners.

[FlyingArrow]

I know everyone loves Maxey, but I would start getting prepared to see him on another team.

They fired Glenn for Harden. They didn’t fire Glenn for Joel. They certainly didn’t fire him for Maxey.

They fired Glenn because keeping him would've been impossible. Rivers used his last chance. If Glenn came back, this would be Morey's last GM job. We know we wouldn't win with Glenn, and a championship would've been the only way Morey could come back from the (rightly) perceived error of retaining Glenn after this debacle.

That said - there's a very good chance that we keep Harden and hire MDA. I don't think it's as easy as saying we fired RIvers for Harden, though. Rivers was gone regardless.

No, Morey didn’t fire Glenn in a vacuum because of the money involved. Ownership signed off. So if Glenn stayed, Morey would have also been acting on the will of ownership. That’s not getting anyone blacklisted. In fact, selling a bad ownership decision well will absolutely get you hired over and over again by that same group of owners.

That's a fair point. But there's also money involved in alienating the entire fanbase by bringing him back. So I still don't think it's as easy as saying that because Rivers was fired, we are 100% bringing back Harden. I personally hope we can do it at a reasonable cost. But he might be too expensive, and of course he might not want to come back, either.

[rocketsfan100]

The Embiid holding back Harden thing is hilarious. Harden can score at a high level once a week if lucky and usually with Embiid drawing away defenders. Budenholzer is the best bet for building around a big in Embiid, not playing him too many minutes and getting the best out of reclamation projects, which the Sixers will need to add depth.

No one is saying Joel did that. It was Rivers who admitted as much in his post game presser . He said we asked harden to be a lesser of a score and far more of facilitator which I know hurt his overall production

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[HardenGoat]

Tough decision. I think you have to pull back from the Embiid centric offense because it is too predictable in the post season. There has to be a balance. Only use post ups to close games when ahead. I could see Maxey getting unlocked by a better coach than Doc. He often would be lost and indecisive, that’s a reflection of coaching. I would be worried though about Dantoni. He relies on using centers to provide drive spacing particularly by lob threats (Capela) or quick shooting (Tucker at the 5 spot). He never had someone like Embiid. Reed would improve but Embiid would have to change his approach when he gets the ball and keep it moving. Iam not sure he would buy in to that high paced system.

[Jay555]

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Embiid should go and look at how AD & Joker play the 5. Oh wait, Embiid is actually a 3.

I think that's the issue and it would be very difficult to change.

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Yep. I'm done defending those two (Embiid and Harden) since Sunday when we all witnessed the Mother's Day Massacre in Boston.

I don't care what Embiid says and I don't care what Harden says.

If both of them are here next season, I will still be keeping my resentment at this level until May 2024 when they prove to me that they can go past the 2nd round.

Fool me once...twice...thrice...well then f*** you, a**holes.

Shame on me if I ever, ever, forget the dinosaur eggs that these two laid against our historic rival in a game 7. For shame.

My loyalty has always been and will always be with that Sixers jersey first and foremost. Individual players come second.

[Sam Hinkie]

Maxey is up for sale starting now, Harden is coming back. Harden and Maxey do not work as a pair.

His contract doesn't let you trade him unless you do it with Tobias, that creates 2 gaps on the roster, not one.

Who do you think we can get? Lavine? Beal? Maxey is already shooting better than Beal.

If Maxey doesn't work with Harden how would Lavine or Beal?

Beal is a nonstarter. Not a Lavine fan but he makes more sense. i do think you have to package Tobias and Maxey to get players who fit better with Embiid and Harden.

[Sam Hinkie]

I know everyone loves Maxey, but I would start getting prepared to see him on another team.

They fired Glenn for Harden. They didn’t fire Glenn for Joel. They certainly didn’t fire him for Maxey.

I wanted Haliburton. I didn't think Harden was worth committing so much to. But he's now our only path to a realistic shot at a title. I'd hire MDA. And package tobias/maxey for players who fit better. I tried to see how it would work but I am not sure if it does for us to get FVV, Caruso, and OG.

Maybe if FVV opts in like Chris Paul did, and we agree to an extension the next summer, we can do:

CHI Gets:

Siakam

PHI Gets:

FVV
OG
Caruso

TOR Gets:

Maxey
Tobias
Patrick Williams
Springer
Lonzo Ball
Korkmaz


Toronto probably needs some picks coming their way, too. I'd like our lineup in a MDA system:

PG - Harden, Shake
SG- FVV, Melton
SF- OG, Caruso
PF- Tucker, Niang
C- Embiid, Reed

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[M2J]

Anybody who believes any coach will take Harden and make him show up is a fool. Unless Morey gets him to take a steep discount to bring in a real difference maker

[Sam Hinkie]

Anybody who believes any coach will take Harden and make him show up is a fool. Unless Morey gets him to take a steep discount to bring in a real difference maker

He still has the ability to be an elite facilitator on offense. He should be the 3rd scoring option though who can take over from time to time.

[Jay555]

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How did he do that for a season is beyond me.

Both Harden/Embiid need to sacrifice for the greater good or they can just break up.