Can we now acknowledge that being patient was the correct decision?

[C_Money]

It was a very good trade for us but Masai/Bobby were still the worst FO in the league for the previous 3-4 years.

[YogurtProducer]

Can't use other teams poor drafting to support an argument. 2018 (Musa), Brunson was a clear miss, not like he was some obscure player. 2019 (Pasecniks), Hart, White, Kuzma taken right after, again not obscure players either. Derrick White was a ready to go back up combo guard at 22 yrs old. 2022? LOL. Bad GMs draft poorly.

You also can't use the best player taken after as support that we "would have" taken them. That is not how it works man.

2017 (Pasecniks) - had Tony Bradley and Caleb Swanigan also go in that range. But of course we would have taken the best of the bunch, right?

2018 (Musa) - Brunson was a clear miss that 32 other selections missed? After Musa and before Brunson teams took Spellman Okobo and Jevon Carter. Funny how you fail to mention those names.

Just ridiculous man.

You guys are both biased in different ways. You saying ridiculous is also ridiculous.

Where is my bias exactly?

Danger is using a TON of hindsight to support why "Brunson was a clear miss" amongst other things. It is 100% ridiculous to look at the back end of the 1st round and say anything was obvious. If those guys were so obviously good... they would have been drafted earlier. The reality is all players late in the 1st and into the 2nd have huge question marks. It is why they are not lottery picks.

Edit: not to mention Danger is notorious for talking about what should have taken place months or years after the fact when he has hindsight to his benefit. The guy refuses to ever speak into the future what should be done because he knows he does not know a thing.

[DelAbbot]

Some posters have the Masai koolaid in their blood. Spin every move like the bestest

[Scase]

I have to keep saying it, you don't get credit, for cleaning up a mess you created.

And IDK how much others have to keep telling you - the mess is a greatly exaggerated claim made by you and other doomsday posters. It was never nearly as bleak as you want to try and convince everyone it is.

We are FAR from being a mess. Like, so damn far.

If you want to downplay the severity of the mess than be my guest. I won't go down that path, but I can respect the difference in opinion.

But, trying to claim that running into an off season where the team is currently multiple games under .500 and 3 major parts of the roster being UFAs, while losing a major part of the roster the previous year to UFA, trading multiple picks for a player that has absolutely not panned out, is not in any way a mess, is just naive.

[SFour]

Funny reading all the doom and gloom posters flood to this thread on the first page, and then read the poll results and realize the doom and gloom is simply a loud minority

some people just enjoy the misery....IQ could turn into an allstar, get a big contract from the Raptors, and they would just spin that into a new narrative of him being an overpaid player.

[Scase]

Funny reading all the doom and gloom posters flood to this thread on the first page, and then read the poll results and realize the doom and gloom is simply a loud minority

some people just enjoy the misery....IQ could turn into an allstar, get a big contract from the Raptors, and they would just spin that into a new narrative of him being an overpaid player.

It's been 2 god damn games, relax.

[SFour]

Funny reading all the doom and gloom posters flood to this thread on the first page, and then read the poll results and realize the doom and gloom is simply a loud minority

some people just enjoy the misery....IQ could turn into an allstar, get a big contract from the Raptors, and they would just spin that into a new narrative of him being an overpaid player.

It's been 2 god damn games, relax.

relax at what...giving a theoretical situation

[DelAbbot]

Btw if people want to celebrate our return to playoffs after this trade, know that half of our positive on court output is due to Masai giving up on Flynn and Precious and stopped forcing Darko to play them mins, costing us wins

So yeah patience in their case did hold us back.

The other half is RJ and IQ replacing a checked out OG

[dTox]

Doesn't make up for the Poetl or Thad trade, but he's finally made a good move since drafting Scottie.

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It's easy to play captain hindsight.

In retrospect the Thad trade wasn't great but we have yet to see Koloko play or prove his value due to his health condition so the jury is still out. People here were angry about missing on Walker Kessler who had a great rookie season, but so far Walker has slightly regressed from his impressive rookie season.

I have not been impressed with Poeltl this season but overall he is a very solid center who is still relatively young and on a reasonable contract who will have decent value around the league if we do choose to move him in the next year or two.

It isn't captain hindsight, I, and vast majority of the posters here have ridiculed both the Poetl trade and the Thad trade, WHILE it was happening, and guess what, our predictions were true, both trades were awful then and it's awful now, this has nothing to do with hindsight. I will give Masai his flowers for this IQ trade though, which is what I had done in my OP

[TheGeneral99]

Doesn't make up for the Poetl or Thad trade, but he's finally made a good move since drafting Scottie.

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It's easy to play captain hindsight.

In retrospect the Thad trade wasn't great but we have yet to see Koloko play or prove his value due to his health condition so the jury is still out. People here were angry about missing on Walker Kessler who had a great rookie season, but so far Walker has slightly regressed from his impressive rookie season.

I have not been impressed with Poeltl this season but overall he is a very solid center who is still relatively young and on a reasonable contract who will have decent value around the league if we do choose to move him in the next year or two.

It isn't captain hindsight, I, and vast majority of the posters here have ridiculed both the Poetl trade and the Thad trade, WHILE it was happening, and guess what, our predictions were true, both trades were awful then and it's awful now, this has nothing to do with hindsight. I will give Masai his flowers for this IQ trade though, which is what I had done in my OP

Well we won't know the full effect of these trades until down the line.

The Thad trade was not good but Koloko has a health condition this year so we can't see how he's doing right now. We still need to see what the gap between Koloko and Kessler will be. Kessler looked promising in his rookie season but hard to tell his future trajectory right now given his decline this year.

Poeltl was signed to a decent long-term contract and he's still young with good value who could be traded for a good piece in return or draft picks. How do you know it's awful? We don't even know what the 2024 draft looks like yet, lol.

[Anticon]

It was a very good trade for us but Masai/Bobby were still the worst FO in the league for the previous 3-4 years.

This is it. From 2020 draft now, only drafting Barnes and maybe signing Schroeder worked.

Hopefully a new start after a rough 3.5 years.

[ArthurVandelay]

It was a very good trade for us but Masai/Bobby were still the worst FO in the league for the previous 3-4 years.

Detroit fans are like…

[YogurtProducer]

I have to keep saying it, you don't get credit, for cleaning up a mess you created.

And IDK how much others have to keep telling you - the mess is a greatly exaggerated claim made by you and other doomsday posters. It was never nearly as bleak as you want to try and convince everyone it is.

We are FAR from being a mess. Like, so damn far.

If you want to downplay the severity of the mess than be my guest. I won't go down that path, but I can respect the difference in opinion.

But, trying to claim that running into an off season where the team is currently multiple games under .500 and 3 major parts of the roster being UFAs, while losing a major part of the roster the previous year to UFA, trading multiple picks for a player that has absolutely not panned out, is not in any way a mess, is just naive.

A mess is what Brooklyn, Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, etc. are in.

And other teams like Dallas, Phoenix, and Cleveland, while currently good teams, are in way riskier of a future than us.

And this is not even mentioning the tanking teams like Detroit, or Charlotte, that have no end in sight to their misery.

3 major parts of the roster is now only 2 (and honestly only 1, IDK why GTJ is being lumped in as "major" ), and we got great value for one. The OG trade should be proof it is far from the mess you want to make it out to be.

We traded one meaningful pick for Poeltl - yet again another attempt at exaggerating the situation we are in.

[YogurtProducer]

It was a very good trade for us but Masai/Bobby were still the worst FO in the league for the previous 3-4 years.

This is it. From 2020 draft now, only drafting Barnes and maybe signing Schroeder worked.

Hopefully a new start after a rough 3.5 years.

Barnes was drafted in 2021, which was 2.5 years ago.

Far cry from 3-4 years.

[YogurtProducer]

Funny reading all the doom and gloom posters flood to this thread on the first page, and then read the poll results and realize the doom and gloom is simply a loud minority

some people just enjoy the misery....IQ could turn into an allstar, get a big contract from the Raptors, and they would just spin that into a new narrative of him being an overpaid player.

The OG trade was exactly what these people wanted (and to be fair, most people would have accepted, I just never assumed it would actually be available). But since it happened now instead of a year ago (when it was not even offered) they are mad.

Some posters you just know are going to move the goalposts whenever it is convenient.

[SFour]

It was a very good trade for us but Masai/Bobby were still the worst FO in the league for the previous 3-4 years.

Detroit fans are like…

Detroit is TWO's wet dream

[Hero_Panda]

I guess it's a good problem to have when people expect to be winning all the time?

Spoiler:

[DreamTeam09]

It was always the right play, and I've been preaching patience in my post for the last 18months, everyone got hyped because they heard 1st round picks and that gets everyone's "Shiney new syndrome disorder" into a frenzy.

You'd hope one of those 1st round picks turns into a quickly, well I'd rather just have the real Quickly himself.

[Hero_Panda]

It was always the right play, and I've been preaching patience in my post for the last 18months, everyone got hyped because they heard 1st round picks and that gets everyone's "Shiney new syndrome disorder" into a frenzy.

You'd hope one of those 1st round picks turns into a quickly, well I'd rather just have the real Quickly himself.

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[Potential]

Maybe it wasn't that bad we were just upset at the 1 season we had last year where we were finally bad for the first time in a decade outside of Tampa. We wanted moves at the deadline and it didn't happen and then the summer and it didn't happen. Now we're back. Making solid moves and rebuilding in a non tanking way