Kuminga and moody extensions

[vvoland]

I would have told moody and jk to bet on themselves and got to RFA if I weee their agents.

IMO that would have been irresponsible. It's in the agent's interest to get a deal done now but what do you say to these guys if you talked them into passing up millions of dollars and there's no market for them next year? You have to just lay out the scenarios and let the player make the decision he thinks is best for him and his family.

I'm sure it was moody's decision and the best an agent can do is get him the most he can now and it's up to MM to sign or wait. The other variable no one seems to mention is that, at the moment, there are very few teams with cap space next summer and the ones that have it, are teams like Brooklyn. Would you rather sign a 4/80 with BKN next summer, if things go right, or 3/39 with GSW, right now?

That said, 3/39 seems exceedingly team friendly so I'm not sure what the motivation was. I find it hard to believe MM wouldn't have earned a full MLE contract from someone next summer, even if he had a bad year or got hurt. Maybe a 1 year, kind of like what melton got, but I would think that would be his floor.

[Onus]

I would have told moody and jk to bet on themselves and got to RFA if I weee their agents.

IMO that would have been irresponsible. It's in the agent's interest to get a deal done now but what do you say to these guys if you talked them into passing up millions of dollars and there's no market for them next year? You have to just lay out the scenarios and let the player make the decision he thinks is best for him and his family.

I'm sure it was moody's decision and the best an agent can do is get him the most he can now and it's up to MM to sign or wait. The other variable no one seems to mention is that, at the moment, there are very few teams with cap space next summer and the ones that have it, are teams like Brooklyn. Would you rather sign a 4/80 with BKN next summer, if things go right, or 3/39 with GSW, right now?

That said, 3/39 seems exceedingly team friendly so I'm not sure what the motivation was. I find it hard to believe MM wouldn't have earned a full MLE contract from someone next summer, even if he had a bad year or got hurt. Maybe a 1 year, kind of like what melton got, but I would think that would be his floor.

That's not his floor. He could literally be out of the rotation this year.

[xdrta+]

Seems like a smart decision by Moody to me. By the time he turns 26 years old, he'll have earned $56 million and still have a good chunk of his career in front of him. He can worry about his legacy then.

[Twinkie defense]

If Moody isn't ready for a big role, why are they keeping him?

Because even if he isn't ready for a big role, he can still play, he has upside, he's on a reasonable contract, and he has value around the League as a trade asset. Seems like a no-brainer to keep him around at what is basically the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level ($12.822 mil)?

[Twinkie defense]

I'm curious if the Warriors offered anything in the Trey to Green range of an offer. If they did, I think Kuminga was wrong to not accept, but they may not have even been at those numbers with him.

I'm gonna guess the two sides were just too far apart for a real offer right now.

I thought I saw that JK was offered around 30m / year ... but obviously speculation

I'm HIGHLY doubtful that MDJ would put his name to that, especially after the Warriors' Jordan Poole fiasco.

[Twinkie defense]

Moses is making more than GPII, and even with his injuries you can easily argue that GPII has contributed more to the Warriors' success than Moses Moody during their time on the team. Don't @ me.

[wco81]

Suggs, Jalen Green and Sengun all got big contracts today.

Market is going up, up, up.

[whatisacenter]

Moses is making more than GPII, and even with his injuries you can easily argue that GPII has contributed more to the Warriors' success than Moses Moody during their time on the team. Don't @ me.

He contributed more in ‘22 but since then it’s been bupkis.

Also, Moody’s new contract doesn’t kick in until next season when GPII’s comes off the books.

[Onus]

I'm gonna guess the two sides were just too far apart for a real offer right now.

I thought I saw that JK was offered around 30m / year ... but obviously speculation

I'm HIGHLY doubtful that MDJ would put his name to that, especially after the Warriors' Jordan Poole fiasco.

It’s possible Kuminga would’ve accepted a contract below max value, but the Warriors never upped their offer (somewhere near the $30ish million per year range) into an appealing enough ballpark. So the two sides plan to let Kuminga’s fourth season play out before revisiting his future.

Anthony slaters article says this …

[Twinkie defense]

I thought I saw that JK was offered around 30m / year ... but obviously speculation

I'm HIGHLY doubtful that MDJ would put his name to that, especially after the Warriors' Jordan Poole fiasco.

It’s possible Kuminga would’ve accepted a contract below max value, but the Warriors never upped their offer (somewhere near the $30ish million per year range) into an appealing enough ballpark. So the two sides plan to let Kuminga’s fourth season play out before revisiting his future.

Anthony slaters article says this …

If $30 mil per is not appealing enough for Kuminga I would say they dodged a bullet and should trade him so fast... but unfortunately other teams won't want to pay him that either - he had very little interest in the trade market when the Warriors were trying to add another veteran star alongside Curry.

[Twinkie defense]

Suggs, Jalen Green and Sengun all got big contracts today.

Market is going up, up, up.

Those guys are all better than Kuminga.

[CDM_Stats]

If Moody isn't ready for a big role, why are they keeping him?

Because even if he isn't ready for a big role, he can still play, he has upside, he's on a reasonable contract, and he has value around the League as a trade asset. Seems like a no-brainer to keep him around at what is basically the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level ($12.822 mil)?

Wiseman signed for a league minimum post rookie deal... if Moody has value as a trade asset, they are trying to win now, and he's not a rotation lock, then they should have traded him. At best this looks wonky, at worst there's a disconnect between the front office and the coach. And considering how Wiseman was handled and how Kerr slow-played JK and Moody, it seems like the latter

[CDM_Stats]

Moses is making more than GPII, and even with his injuries you can easily argue that GPII has contributed more to the Warriors' success than Moses Moody during their time on the team. Don't @ me.

He contributed more in ‘22 but since then it’s been bupkis.

Also, Moody’s new contract doesn’t kick in until next season when GPII’s comes off the books.

yup. Twinkie's technically right because GP2 caught lightning in a bottle that year and that was super impactful. But since then Moody's been better with far, far less opportunities to prove it, and certainly when it matters most, like in consecutive years in the playoffs/play-ins

The problem isn't what Moody has accomplished, but what he could have accomplished if the team made a real investment in developing him. To be in year 4 of a guy who was touted as close to ready-now in 2021 is inexcusable

[CDM_Stats]

Seems like a smart decision by Moody to me. By the time he turns 26 years old, he'll have earned $56 million and still have a good chunk of his career in front of him. He can worry about his legacy then.

Legacy not the issue.. no one becomes a pro player, a lottery pick, to be benched for low-ceilinged morally-challenged scrubs like #40

I dont think there's any other team in the NBA where he'd have this bad of a situation. Or at the very least, half the league would present a much better opportunity to actually play and be a significant part of their future. He took the safe route sure, but if he's OK with the current situation where he's on the fringe of the rotation, maybe its what he deserves after all.. all I know is similar profiled players are getting way more minutes and way more money

[vvoland]

IMO that would have been irresponsible. It's in the agent's interest to get a deal done now but what do you say to these guys if you talked them into passing up millions of dollars and there's no market for them next year? You have to just lay out the scenarios and let the player make the decision he thinks is best for him and his family.

I'm sure it was moody's decision and the best an agent can do is get him the most he can now and it's up to MM to sign or wait. The other variable no one seems to mention is that, at the moment, there are very few teams with cap space next summer and the ones that have it, are teams like Brooklyn. Would you rather sign a 4/80 with BKN next summer, if things go right, or 3/39 with GSW, right now?

That said, 3/39 seems exceedingly team friendly so I'm not sure what the motivation was. I find it hard to believe MM wouldn't have earned a full MLE contract from someone next summer, even if he had a bad year or got hurt. Maybe a 1 year, kind of like what melton got, but I would think that would be his floor.

That's not his floor. He could literally be out of the rotation this year.

Even if he's benched in favor of hield/gp2/Melton/podz which seems unlikely but, certainly isn't impossible, I think he'd get a one year, prove it, deal. Similar to what we paid the vets we brought in. Sure, they're more proven but MM would offer upside.

A devastating injury, particularly late in the season, would be the only real risk. If mm doesn't have the irrational confidence to bet on himself maybe 3/39 is what he deserves, so to speak.

[TB]

Seems like a smart decision by Moody to me. By the time he turns 26 years old, he'll have earned $56 million and still have a good chunk of his career in front of him. He can worry about his legacy then.

Legacy not the issue.. no one becomes a pro player, a lottery pick, to be benched for low-ceilinged morally-challenged scrubs like #40

I dont think there's any other team in the NBA where he'd have this bad of a situation. Or at the very least, half the league would present a much better opportunity to actually play and be a significant part of their future. He took the safe route sure, but if he's OK with the current situation where he's on the fringe of the rotation, maybe its what he deserves after all.. all I know is similar profiled players are getting way more minutes and way more money

I feel like Moody and Kuminga both made the wrong decision for the total opposite reasons

[Big J]

If Moody pops this contract could be one of the best non rookie contracts in the league. Kerr done good.

[whatisacenter]

Hawks just gave Jalen Johnson a 5/150 contract.

[xdrta+]

Seems like a smart decision by Moody to me. By the time he turns 26 years old, he'll have earned $56 million and still have a good chunk of his career in front of him. He can worry about his legacy then.

Legacy not the issue.. no one becomes a pro player, a lottery pick, to be benched for low-ceilinged morally-challenged scrubs like #40

I dont think there's any other team in the NBA where he'd have this bad of a situation. Or at the very least, half the league would present a much better opportunity to actually play and be a significant part of their future. He took the safe route sure, but if he's OK with the current situation where he's on the fringe of the rotation, maybe its what he deserves after all.. all I know is similar profiled players are getting way more minutes and way more money

Who cares what would have happened somewhere else? Maybe he would have crapped out, no one knows. I'm just talking about what he should have done at this moment, and I think he made the right decision. OK, some might think he should have turned it down. IMO, turning it down and hoping for the best next summer would have been foolish.

[Onus]

If Moody pops this contract could be one of the best non rookie contracts in the league. Kerr done good.

The start of a new dynasty. (Dynasties are made on team friendly contracts)