Free Agent, (Trade), Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025

[playa-hater]

The Grizz are contenders, why would they give up a 13 and 7 guy for Springer? They’ll have room to sign him next season.

Now that Edey is back, with JJJ, they may not need both Huff + Aldama.. plus it is Springer and. a 1st

We're not giving up a FRP for a guy who might not even be in the playoff rotation.

Guys Brad has traded a FRP for:

Horford
D-white
Brogdon
Jrue

All of them were either starters or 6th man.

Heck, he *got* a FRP in the deal where we got Porzingis..

Times were different. They had more Cap room so easier to make a Big trade. This Celtics team can be a "Hair" from winning another Title. One more solid player can be the difference between a title or Not. Just because Boston can not get a high level player like KP or White doesn't mean they shouldn't get a rotational level player. If Boston can add a player that is an improvement over Kornet-Queta-Tillman + often injured KP and an Aging Al, you have to strongly consider it. Now Joe playing them is another subject. He clearly is so rigid and stubborn. But if Boston/Joe keeps using "these players" the same way and we just think Boston going to "turn on the switch" come playoffs, may very well be our undoing.

Brad is very Smart, and even with extreme limitations, I bet he will try to actually make a Move. That and adding 2 more young draft picks next year to a roster Joe won't even use won't get us closer this year or next.

1986 was possibly the GOAT team and getting the top player in the draft (Len Bias) and yet we did not win again despite being so close a few times after that. KG Pierce and Ray Allen also could/should have won more than 1, they didn't. It took over 15 years to be in this position again. Do whatever you have to do and push this through. Don't just stand and do nothing. Hoping KP can play throughout the playoffs and/or relying on Al and/or Kornet (Joe's choice) is asking for major trouble.

[shi-woo]

I'm not sure I agree with Bruce Veliz here that Day'Ron Sharpe would be available for Springer. Nets could use a defensive guard, yes, but if they trade Sharpe they are a bit thin up front. However, here is the trade breakdown as he gave it. I definitely think it's a good one that gets Springer moved to a place where he'll get a chance, and improves Celtic depth:

1. Springer to Nets for Sharpe
2. Tillman to Hornets for future 2nd (creates cap space)
3. Sign Lonnie Walker

KP, JT, JB, DW, JH
Horford, Sharpe, Hauser, Walker, Pritchard
Kornet, Queta, Walsh, Scheierman
w/15th spot open for the 2-Ways

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I like this trade but do we need more size? If KP can't play, we still have Al, Kornet, and Queta. Sharpe is solid on the glass, but he would just be similar to Queta in what his role would be. I think the 3 year contract he signed also signaled the plan with him going forward.

If we do do a trade, I think we've seen what type of player we would be looking for, Peterson has been getting burn all year, and Walsh has also gotten some love. This team desperately wants another wing on the roster that can shoot the 3. Hauser was that last year, seems like this team wants another this year.

Clowney on the Net's would be the dream, but that isn't happening for Springer and a 1st. Another name I haven't seen brought up much is Kris Murray in POR. He's 24, and has lost his minutes to Deni and Camara this year. He would be a solid option to come in and be NBA ready off the bench.

[165bows]

Now that Edey is back, with JJJ, they may not need both Huff + Aldama.. plus it is Springer and. a 1st

We're not giving up a FRP for a guy who might not even be in the playoff rotation.

Guys Brad has traded a FRP for:

Horford
D-white
Brogdon
Jrue

All of them were either starters or 6th man.

Heck, he *got* a FRP in the deal where we got Porzingis..

Times were different. They had more Cap room so easier to make a Big trade. This Celtics team can be a "Hair" from winning another Title. One more solid player can be the difference between a title or Not. Just because Boston can not get a high level player like KP or White doesn't mean they shouldn't get a rotational level player. If Boston can add a player that is an improvement over Kornet-Queta-Tillman + often injured KP and an Aging Al, you have to strongly consider it. Now Joe playing them is another subject. He clearly is so rigid and stubborn. But if Boston/Joe keeps using "these players" the same way and we just think Boston going to "turn on the switch" come playoffs, may very well be our undoing.

Brad is very Smart, and even with extreme limitations, I bet he will try to actually make a Move. That and adding 2 more young draft picks next year to a roster Joe won't even use won't get us closer this year or next.

1986 was possibly the GOAT team and getting the top player in the draft (Len Bias) and yet we did not win again despite being so close a few times after that. KG Pierce and Ray Allen also could/should have won more than 1, they didn't. It took over 15 years to be in this position again. Do whatever you have to do and push this through. Don't just stand and do nothing. Hoping KP can play throughout the playoffs and/or relying on Al and/or Kornet (Joe's choice) is asking for major trouble.

Yeah same if they get a 9th man difference maker that helps win a title I’m ok burning a top 35 pick. Just not sure if there are many better than they have already.

[Fierce1]

Celts are fine as is.

But if Brad can find some minor upgrade then why not?

Maybe a wing or a PF who can help defending Giannis and Embiid.

If Al misses time in the playoffs then the Cs are in trouble if they face Embiid or Giannis.

[Parliament10]

Celts are fine as is.

But if Brad can find some minor upgrade then why not?

Maybe a wing or a PF who can help defending Giannis and Embiid.

If Al misses time in the playoffs then the Cs are in trouble if they face Embiid or Giannis.

Has Horford ever missed time in the Playoffs?

[ConstableGeneva]

Celts are fine as is.

But if Brad can find some minor upgrade then why not?

Maybe a wing or a PF who can help defending Giannis and Embiid.

If Al misses time in the playoffs then the Cs are in trouble if they face Embiid or Giannis.

Has Horford ever missed time in the Playoffs?

Entire postseason? Just twice. 2014 (season-ending injury) and 2021 (OKC missed playoffs).

[Fierce1]

Celts are fine as is.

But if Brad can find some minor upgrade then why not?

Maybe a wing or a PF who can help defending Giannis and Embiid.

If Al misses time in the playoffs then the Cs are in trouble if they face Embiid or Giannis.

Has Horford ever missed time in the Playoffs?

That's what makes Al so great, he's very durable.

[phincsfan]

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What would a Lonnie Walker buyout/future contract look like?

[cl2117]

Just spitballing, and I'm not even sure I like it, but...

Springer and BOS 25 first for Curry and 25 NOP 2nd from CHA.

Save money, get a guy that can shoot / Joe might play as a 4th guard when White or Jrue rest.

You move back 2-5 spots in the draft max, get off the guaranteed contract and have most likely the first 2 picks in round 2. With the move back, it's almost one spot less since we have 31 as well, so you're not behind an extra team. Instead of 27-29 & 31 you're 31, 32.

Downside is it screws us for trading UP in the draft.
Also, I'm not sure how toast Seth is on D - not like he was a stalwart in his prime even.
Non-starter deal if Joe won't play him. But, it would be nice to have a 4th guard he will actually use.

Seth Curry seems more like a potential buyout target than a guy I'd trade a 1st round pick for..

It's technically trading a 1st round pick, but it's really only losing 2-3 spots. And it's about the Springer money and Seth combined. But, I'm definitely not sold on it.

I wonder what the buyout market looks like. Can't imagine we're on the top of anyone's list. Seems like Springer himself could have been useful last night against Maxey. Quick guard torching us, Jrue out, Pritchard off, Jaden knows Maxey's tendencies from being on the same team - still couldn't get any PT.

I floated a Curry deal in the last thread. Think Brad could get it done for just one of our own 2nds in either 2030 or 2031 in addition to Springer.

Essentially you just need to get the Hornets to eat the extra $2m Jaden makes this year and a late 2nd a few years out is fair enough incentive in my eyes. Especially when the Hornets are also getting a guy who ostensibly fits next to Lamelo and has a lot more potential than Curry.

We get a guy who won't crack the playoff rotation but could certainly play in the regular season given our emphasis on the three ball. He might get torched on defense more often than not, but if we're trading 2's for 3's on the other end we're still coming out ahead overall. And probably more importantly we save all that tax money.

I'd be open to swapping our 1st for their 2nd since the 2nd round order is based on record not the lottery, so you can be pretty assured that you're only dropping a handful of spots, but at the same time it feels like an unnecessary risk if in a worst case scenario we flame out early for whatever reason or in a better scenario there's a guy Brad loves in the mid-20's and he's willing to stack assets to trade up and snag them. I'd rather burn one of our own seconds and then trade back to recoup it.

[phincsfan]

Here's my call me crazy something needs to be shaken up and Pags telling Brad that "you need to start trimming down the 25/26 cost now because I have some prospective buyers who want in".

First you make the fanbase happy right away:

- Buyout Lonnie Walker's contract and give him a team friendly deal

Second you start the trim and add a half year replacement

- C's get Plumlee - Suns get Tillman

Third you absolutely throw the fanbase a curveball and cause chaos with a decent size trim

- C's get Javonte Green and the Pels rights to the Bucks 26' 1st - Pels get Payton

Lonnie and Javonte can easily absorb those minutes and games played. If Sam's back gets better is an everyday bench core of
Sam, Lonnie and Javonte better than Sam and Payton?

All these moves have to happen for it to work. If Walker isn't in the plans then obviously moving Payton is an absolute no-go because his output needs to be filled somehow. I put the Walker move first because of that. IMO though, I really don't see a Walker buy-out with the C's happening because he was barely used in the pre-season. Now maybe they saw everything they needed to in practice and it was a wink wink go to europe type deal?

[ConstableGeneva]

Unserious trade proposal:

BOS gets Aldama, Knecht, Smart
LAL gets Porzingis, Scheierman
MEM gets Springer, Hachimura, Vincent

White | Holiday | Brown | Tatum | Horford
Pritchard | Smart | Knecht | Hauser | Aldama

Spotrac trade machine says trade's successful which just means trade leads to another title for us. Then Joe ends playoff games with Smart instead of White or Holiday lol.

[playa-hater]

Here's my call me crazy something needs to be shaken up and Pags telling Brad that "you need to start trimming down the 25/26 cost now because I have some prospective buyers who want in".

First you make the fanbase happy right away:

- Buyout Lonnie Walker's contract and give him a team friendly deal

Second you start the trim and add a half year replacement

- C's get Plumlee - Suns get Tillman

Third you absolutely throw the fanbase a curveball and cause chaos with a decent size trim

- C's get Javonte Green and the Pels rights to the Bucks 26' 1st - Pels get Payton

Lonnie and Javonte can easily absorb those minutes and games played. If Sam's back gets better is an everyday bench core of
Sam, Lonnie and Javonte better than Sam and Payton?

All these moves have to happen for it to work. If Walker isn't in the plans then obviously moving Payton is an absolute no-go because his output needs to be filled somehow. I put the Walker move first because of that. IMO though, I really don't see a Walker buy-out with the C's happening because he was barely used in the pre-season. Now maybe they saw everything they needed to in practice and it was a wink wink go to europe type deal?

I haven't heard his name in a while. "Prime" Plumlee > Kornet/Tillman for sure, but I have no idea what he looks like right now.

[Fierce1]

Plumee for Tillman is a downgrade for the Suns.

[phincsfan]

Unserious trade proposal:

BOS gets Aldama, Knecht, Smart
LAL gets Porzingis, Scheierman
MEM gets Springer, Hachimura, Vincent

White | Holiday | Brown | Tatum | Horford
Pritchard | Smart | Knecht | Hauser | Aldama

Spotrac trade machine says trade's successful which just means trade leads to another title for us. Then Joe ends playoff games with Smart instead of White or Holiday lol.

If I was a Laker fan and saw Rui and Knecht replaced with Rico and a regularly injured unicorn I'd be pissed

If I was a C's fan and saw Knecht replacing Rico

[ConstableGeneva]

Unserious trade proposal:

BOS gets Aldama, Knecht, Smart
LAL gets Porzingis, Scheierman
MEM gets Springer, Hachimura, Vincent

White | Holiday | Brown | Tatum | Horford
Pritchard | Smart | Knecht | Hauser | Aldama

Spotrac trade machine says trade's successful which just means trade leads to another title for us. Then Joe ends playoff games with Smart instead of White or Holiday lol.

If I was a Laker fan and saw Rui and Knecht replaced with Rico and a regularly injured unicorn I'd be pissed

If I was a C's fan and saw Knecht replacing Rico

Fine I'll throw in a pick swap. Lebron will approve that. Needs a win now player in KP. Knecht won't help him win another title. Scheierman will have as good a career as Knecht when all is said and done. Just need consistent minutes on a meh team.

[phincsfan]

Plumee for Tillman is a downgrade for the Suns.

If you go by this year absolutely. But if you take Plumlee stats this year or even all of last year and compare them to XMan actually getting minutes last year the numbers aren't terribly different. If the Suns think he can shoot that would be a plus part of the deal.

[cl2117]

Pistons just lost Jaden Ivy for the season, I wonder if they'd take Springer for free.

They're massively under the cap and they've got an open roster spot, I feel like kicking the tires on a kid like Springer is the kind of move they should be looking at alongside eating bad money for picks.

[165bows]

Pistons just lost Jaden Ivy for the season, I wonder if they'd take Springer for free.

They're massively under the cap and they've got an open roster spot, I feel like kicking the tires on a kid like Springer is the kind of move they should be looking at alongside eating bad money for picks.

See if they’ll kick in Bball Paul for good measure I’d be happy about that.

[redslastlaugh]

January 10 is guarantee date for players on nonguaranteed contracts, but Hoopshype reports that January 7 is the de facto guarantee date, so expect some transactions in the next five days.

Non-guaranteed contracts become guaranteed

January 10 is the date that all non-guaranteed NBA contracts for 2024/25 will officially become guaranteed, but January 7 is really the day to watch.

If a team wants to avoid having a salary become guaranteed, the player must clear waivers before January 10, which means he needs to be cut by January 7 — at the latest.

There are currently 23 players around the NBA who are on non-guaranteed deals. Many of those players without fully guaranteed salaries aren’t in danger of being waived by next Tuesday, but some teams will take the opportunity to save a little money and open up a roster spot.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/12/nba-dates-deadlines-to-watch-in-january-6.html

[Shak_Celts]

Unserious trade proposal:

BOS gets Aldama, Knecht, Smart
LAL gets Porzingis, Scheierman
MEM gets Springer, Hachimura, Vincent

White | Holiday | Brown | Tatum | Horford
Pritchard | Smart | Knecht | Hauser | Aldama

Spotrac trade machine says trade's successful which just means trade leads to another title for us. Then Joe ends playoff games with Smart instead of White or Holiday lol.

I don’t know why your mind works the way it does but I’m starting to appreciate it more. You’re out there and I like it!! Even if JB remains public enemy #1, I need more of this from you!! You have been making me laugh so much this season!

With that said, that might be one of the greatest teams in history and he’ll still only play 7 of them. Smart would definitely be out there in crunch, but it would be 3 guards. I’m thinking Tatum would be the center. Joe don’t give a…