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Post#81 » by German Athens » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:21 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:Couple whispers from a conversation I had last night with someone in the know:

1) The starting five will look different for game 3.
2) Doc most likely isn't going anywhere, sweep or not.

Bucks in 6


Any whispers about Dame? Thanks for sharing.
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Post#82 » by Wonka » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:31 pm

If Doc is here next season, I think a lot of people are going to check out. I already know around 6-7 people personally who are claiming to be that fed up.
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Post#83 » by neiLz » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:31 pm

Talking to some friends and family that don't really watch the games and their first question is literally -
"The bucks look like they're too slow and the pacers are able to get wide open shots. Shouldn't they put some "little" guys in to help with that."

Doc can't see after a full season what people notice after two **** games. This is so frustrating to watch. just glad we got the draft in case **** goes off the rails in the 1st quarter again.
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Post#84 » by German Athens » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:35 pm

I just can’t imagine ol’ “trust the results” being okay with consecutive first round exits, especially after their quick plugs in the past.

Like what snake oil did Doc sell them?
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Post#85 » by BigO » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:36 pm

I'm back and in full mental capacity, whatever that implies. My takes:

1) Thanks to the Prez for hammering on the disgrace of a starting lineup. Yes, in and of itself, it's a fireable offense, much like some of Bud's rigidity was.

2) Kuzma is not a good player. One of the posters wrote that Doc should decide whether to play Portis or Kuzma and not play both. That is an insult to BP. BP is ten times the player Kuzma is.

3) BP is the third best player on the Bucks and it's not even close. And this isn't meant as praise for BP, but as an indictment of the roster. His rebounding and scoring are essential. .

Division of playing time should be:

Giannis 45 minutes
Lillard 42 plus
BP 37 plus
Lopez 31
Sims 10
Green 25
Trent 25
KJP 25
Kuzma 0

Kuzma has never been a good player. Some years have been better than others, but he is an inefficient chucker whose only asset is athleticism.

The Bucks are not a very good team with this roster, but Doc is making it worse. They are good enough to beat the Pacers and everyone knows what needs to be done, but Doc's rigidity is making this a lot worse.
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Post#86 » by German Athens » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:40 pm

BigO wrote:I'm back and in full mental capacity, whatever that implies. My takes:

1) Thanks to the Prez for hammering on the disgrace of a starting lineup. Yes, in and of tself, it's a fireable offense, much like some of Bud's rigidity was.

2) Kuzma is not a good player. One of the posters wrote that Doc should decide whether to play Portis or Kuzma and not play both. That is an insult to BP. BP is ten times the player Kuzma is.

3) BP is the third best player on the Bucks and it's not even close. And this isn't meant as praise for BP, but as an indictment of the roster. His rebounding and scoring are essential. .

Division of playing time should be:

Giannis 45 minutes
Lillard 42 plus
BP 37 plus
Lopez 31
Sims 10
Green 25
Trent 25
KJP 25
Kuzma 0

Kuzma has never been a good player. Some years have been better than others, but he is an inefficient chucker whose only asset is athleticism.

The Bucks are not a very good team with this roster, but Doc is making it worse. They are good enough to beat the Pacers and everyone knows what needs to be done, but Doc's rigidity is making this a lot worse.


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Post#87 » by emunney » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:43 pm

BigO wrote:I'm back and in full mental capacity, whatever that implies. My takes:

1) Thanks to the Prez for hammering on the disgrace of a starting lineup. Yes, in and of itself, it's a fireable offense, much like some of Bud's rigidity was.

2) Kuzma is not a good player. One of the posters wrote that Doc should decide whether to play Portis or Kuzma and not play both. That is an insult to BP. BP is ten times the player Kuzma is.

3) BP is the third best player on the Bucks and it's not even close. And this isn't meant as praise for BP, but as an indictment of the roster. His rebounding and scoring are essential. .

Division of playing time should be:

Giannis 45 minutes
Lillard 42 plus
BP 37 plus
Lopez 31
Sims 10
Green 25
Trent 25
KJP 25
Kuzma 0

Kuzma has never been a good player. Some years have been better than others, but he is an inefficient chucker whose only asset is athleticism.

The Bucks are not a very good team with this roster, but Doc is making it worse. They are good enough to beat the Pacers and everyone knows what needs to be done, but Doc's rigidity is making this a lot worse.


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Post#88 » by Bernman » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:43 pm

I did think he'd finally change the lineup cuz functional insanity has some limit. But the same decision maker who chooses the wrong path at the fork is still at the helm. So I think it'll be something like Trent at sg next to Dame, which means we're a moderately more palatable flavor of bad on d.
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Post#89 » by slos » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:43 pm

emunney wrote:
slos wrote:
emunney wrote:
This is more than Prince, Kuzma, and Brook have played so far.


Kuzma just played 31 minutes, Prince has played 20 and 19 minutes in Indiana, Brook played 21 and 16 (almost all of them in the disastrous lineup with Prince/Kuzma).


Yes, like I said, you'd be playing them more than they've played so far, appreciate you supplying the numbers.


Don’t get me wrong, I’m just taking into account that Doc is the one deciding. It’s still not what I would do.

Dame (36)/Porter (12)
Rollins (20)/Porter (16)/Trent (12)
Kuzma (20)/Green (20)/Trent (8)
Giannis (40)/Kuzma (8)
Lopez (20)/Bobby (28)

That’s the 8 deep rotation I would be using in the playoffs. There is no need for Prince to be out there in these series.
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Post#90 » by fansinceforever » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:49 pm

Wonka wrote:If Doc is here next season, I think a lot of people are going to check out. I already know around 6-7 people personally who are claiming to be that fed up.


If we have largely the same roster and doc as coach next szn, I am going to take a massive step back in interest and viewership.
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Post#91 » by Bucksmaniac » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:51 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:Couple whispers from a conversation I had last night with someone in the know:

1) The starting five will look different for game 3.
2) Doc most likely isn't going anywhere, sweep or not.

Bucks in 6


He really is trying for that reverse psychology from his past of losing big leads, what a way to live.
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Post#92 » by jschligs » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:57 pm

BigO wrote:I'm back and in full mental capacity, whatever that implies. My takes:

1) Thanks to the Prez for hammering on the disgrace of a starting lineup. Yes, in and of itself, it's a fireable offense, much like some of Bud's rigidity was.

2) Kuzma is not a good player. One of the posters wrote that Doc should decide whether to play Portis or Kuzma and not play both. That is an insult to BP. BP is ten times the player Kuzma is.

3) BP is the third best player on the Bucks and it's not even close. And this isn't meant as praise for BP, but as an indictment of the roster. His rebounding and scoring are essential. .

Division of playing time should be:

Giannis 45 minutes
Lillard 42 plus
BP 37 plus
Lopez 31
Sims 10
Green 25
Trent 25
KJP 25
Kuzma 0

Kuzma has never been a good player. Some years have been better than others, but he is an inefficient chucker whose only asset is athleticism.

The Bucks are not a very good team with this roster, but Doc is making it worse. They are good enough to beat the Pacers and everyone knows what needs to be done, but Doc's rigidity is making this a lot worse.


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Pretty much agree on everything here. But I'd be tempted to try Lopez closer to 20-25 depending on how he's going, maybe activate Sims a bit more. And honestly, I hate to do it but Kuzma can take 10 minutes as he CAN score sometimes lol. Like 3rd quarter.
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Post#93 » by fan230 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 4:23 pm

Ajax should start for solidifying the defense today.
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Post#94 » by Bernman » Fri Apr 25, 2025 4:30 pm

fan230 wrote:Ajax should start for solidifying the defense today.


Why not just play guys like Rollins & Green who have wildly positive net ratings w/ Giannis & Dame cuz they're 2-way players, & not negative 1s?
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Post#95 » by Prez » Fri Apr 25, 2025 5:36 pm

Prince should be cut from the rotation. Kuzma should be exclusively a backup 4. Consider starting Bobby instead of Brook. Start 2 of Green/KPJ/GTJ/Rollins in between Dame/Giannis, especially Green.
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Post#96 » by Dick Tate » Fri Apr 25, 2025 5:56 pm

Doc finally figuring out he needs to start at least 2 guards against a 3 guard lineup? Give the man his extension!
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Post#97 » by sidney lanier » Fri Apr 25, 2025 6:16 pm

No it's not shuffling deck chairs that matters
All nine Bucks coaches can't be Mad Hatters
Trent Kuz Rollins or Prince
Take your pick or just wince
Stars must shine or our hopes are in tatters

Take Doc to task for which of the "others" starts or gets the bulk of the minutes if you want, but it seems kind of pointless to me. Unless Dame and Giannis play at Dame and Giannis levels, we go nowhere. Our fortunes never hinged on whether Taurean Prince is better or worse than Gary Trent Jr., and they never will.

That said, the supporting cast needs to give us something, and they should at home, where these types of players typically do better. But if the stars don't shine, it will be a dark night.

120-104, please, and a few hard picks on Haliburton for additional entertainment value.
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Post#98 » by jimmybones » Fri Apr 25, 2025 6:50 pm

German Athens wrote:I really really can’t understand what Doc thinks us leaning into size and length is giving us.

Are we backing off and forcing them to shoot over the top of our size? No

Are we completely taking away the rim when they get inside? No

Are we clogging up passing lanes with our length? No

Our we dominating the board on both ends of the court? :lol:

If our size presented an advantage in any conceivable area, I’d be okay with doing some of that, but it doesn’t and hasn’t done anything that big lineups would do well. We have all the bad traits of big lineups without any of the positive.


Exactly. We’re actively choosing disadvantage in ability to match up with their smaller, quicker lineup while creating no advantage.

Starting to buy into the idea that Doc is mentally already on the golf course, maybe even as far as actively sabotaging.

It’s just not possible to be this stupid.
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Post#99 » by JonHeist » Fri Apr 25, 2025 6:59 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:Couple whispers from a conversation I had last night with someone in the know:

1) The starting five will look different for game 3.
2) Doc most likely isn't going anywhere, sweep or not.

Bucks in 6


pacers are +155 to win the 1st quarter according to vegas

sure sounds like you're right and they know too, cuz otherwise that line is insane
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Post#100 » by CharityStripe34 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 7:07 pm

JonHeist wrote:
JimmyTheKid wrote:Couple whispers from a conversation I had last night with someone in the know:

1) The starting five will look different for game 3.
2) Doc most likely isn't going anywhere, sweep or not.

Bucks in 6


pacers are +155 to win the 1st quarter according to vegas

sure sounds like you're right and they know too, cuz otherwise that line is insane


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