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DaGawd wrote:suddenly thibs is the greatest coach since sliced bread in realgm after mass amounts of criticism, never change

And suddenly Mike Brown is great because we hired him, right?

Goes both ways.

Getting rid of Thibs to hire Mike Brown seems like a step backward. We lost to Indiana--who just gave OKC (the best in the West) all it could handle in the finals--in six games by a combined 11 points. I.e., we were so, so close. And yes, in my opinion, Thibs got out-coached. Still, who the hell fires your coach then without any plan in place for hiring his successor? (Answer = Dolan.)

Mike Brown was not the best candidate but the best available candidate. There's a difference, and that disturbs me.

KGtabake wrote:He's a very good coach. And very likeable person.
I don't think he's better than Thibs though.
I expected the Knicks to hire Jenkins.
That's the guy i would target.

I agree. I think his reputation outside of NBA circles seems worse than his reputation in NBA circles too. He’s competent on the X and O part of the job but it sounds like they want to place him with an associate HC who can help him design a motion offense.

Mike Brown’s resume as a HC and a lead assistant playoff coach is better than all the other applicants they interviewed. He seems very respected by his peers, comes from the Pop, Kerr, and Carlisle coaching tree. Also he’s been hired in some very “difficult” coaching situations before and regardless of the results didn’t flame out.

Overall, I honestly think Brown is closer to Thibs as a coach than people realize, except he is willing to adapt more to the situation he is in.

taikibansei wrote:Getting rid of Thibs to hire Mike **** Brown seems like a step backward. We lost to Indiana--who just gave OKC (the best in the West) all it could handle in the finals--in six games by a combined 11 points. I.e., we were so, so close. And yes, in my opinion, Thibs got out-coached. Still, who the hell fires your coach then without any plan in place for hiring his successor? (Answer = Dolan.)

Mike Brown was not the best candidate but the best available. There's a difference, and that disturbs me.

What do even mean when you say they didn't have a plan. The plan was as clear as day. They clearly felt Thibs wasn't the coach to get them over the hump. During the season and into the playoffs, Knick fans were praying Thibs would get fired. Bulls and Wolves fans said that he is not the coach to get you over the hump. The plan was to fire that coach, thank him for getting you to the ECF, and start looking for a new coach. The plan was to see if they could poach a coach already in place with another team. That didn't work. Then they interviewed established coaches and a veteran assistant. Seems like they've landed on Brown as that vet coach. There was a plan, a clear plan, just one you didn't like. As has been said before, now that Thibs was fired, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and Brown, who has a better winning percentage than Thibs, is the worst coach of all time. Not saying I think he's the most exciting hire, but this specific Knicks regime has been clear about their plans, roster wise and coaching wise, every step of the way. They have had few missteps along the way since 2019 when the Knicks were the worst team in the league. This could be one of them, who knows.

Who do you want the Knicks to hire?

shtolky wrote:

taikibansei wrote:Getting rid of Thibs to hire Mike **** Brown seems like a step backward. We lost to Indiana--who just gave OKC (the best in the West) all it could handle in the finals--in six games by a combined 11 points. I.e., we were so, so close. And yes, in my opinion, Thibs got out-coached. Still, who the hell fires your coach then without any plan in place for hiring his successor? (Answer = Dolan.)

Mike Brown was not the best candidate but the best available candidate. There's a difference, and that disturbs me.

What do even mean when you say they didn't have a plan. The plan was as clear as day. They clearly felt Thibs wasn't the coach to get them over the hump. During the season and into the playoffs, Knick fans were praying Thibs would get fired. Bulls and Wolves fans said that he is not the coach to get you over the hump. The plan was to fire that coach, thank him for getting you to the ECF, and start looking for a new coach. The plan was to see if they could poach a coach already in place with another team. That didn't work. Then they interviewed established coaches and a veteran assistant. Seems like they've landed on Brown as that vet coach. There was a plan, a clear plan, just one you didn't like. As has been said before, now that Thibs was fired, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and Brown, who has a better winning percentage than Thibs, is the worst coach of all time. Not saying I think he's the most exciting hire, but this specific Knicks regime has been clear about their plans, roster wise and coaching wise, every step of the way. They have had few missteps along the way since 2019 when the Knicks were the worst team in the league. This could be one of them, who knows.

Who do you want the Knicks to hire?

Sad that you don't seem to understand the meaning of the phrase "have a plan in place."

have a plan in place: a situation when a person or organization is prepared for something because they have already put into effect a system or strategy to prevent or anticipate a situation.

Instead, what you are describing is a "reaction"--i.e., the Knicks scrambling after the fact to see if anybody, anywhere was willing and able to interview. That is not having a plan.

I wanted Johnnie Bryant (somebody completely new), or Udoka, or Wright. We first reached out to these three after firing Thibs, and were rejected by all three publicly. We also reached out to Kidd and Rivers--embarrassing in itself (as they both suck) --but were rejected by them too. Having a plan in place would have meant that we'd contacted all these people before firing Thibs to see if any were available. We didn't do that, hence my writing the following:

taikibansei wrote:
Mike Brown was not the best candidate but the best available. There's a difference, and that disturbs me.

You can find my other posts on this topic here:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2461952&hilit=Thibs+Kidd&start=540

Does this guy still spit in his cup on the sidelines?

That use to annoy me when he was in Cleveland lol

vxmike wrote:

bonita_the_frog wrote:Why didn't they hire a great coach, why not Phil Jackson? Even if he doesn't have a working body anymore, he'd still be better than Mike Brown surely...

Phil Jackson coaching via FaceTime in a nursing home would be better….

WOuld he bring Sasha Vujacic again, like he did the first time NYK hired him? I think Knicks learned that you do not hire someone who does not want to be there, they learned from Phil Jackson experience directly.

Mike Brown is fine, he is not another Thibs, he is more players coach and he likes to play faster tempo basketball.

WargamesX wrote:

KGtabake wrote:He's a very good coach. And very likeable person.
I don't think he's better than Thibs though.
I expected the Knicks to hire Jenkins.
That's the guy i would target.

I agree. I think his reputation outside of NBA circles seems worse than his reputation in NBA circles too. He’s competent on the X and O part of the job but it sounds like they want to place him with an associate HC who can help him design a motion offense.

Mike Brown’s resume as a HC and a lead assistant playoff coach is better than all the other applicants they interviewed. He seems very respected by his peers, comes from the Pop, Kerr, and Carlisle coaching tree. Also he’s been hired in some very “difficult” coaching situations before and regardless of the results didn’t flame out.

Overall, I honestly think Brown is closer to Thibs as a coach than people realize, except he is willing to adapt more to the situation he is in.

You're also describing Doc Rivers. It's why retreads are retreads. They're well-liked, professional, respected, have friends throughout the league, and that's why they get jobs. It doesn't mean they're good coaches (relative to other NBA coaches that is).

And you don't fire a coach that had as much success as Thibs did to hire someone who is "closer to him than people realize". You fire him if you can get someone better, and if not you give a young coach like Bryant a shot. Firing someone like Thibs to hire a retread is dumb.

And let's be honest here. If a month ago you told the Knicks fans currently defending this potential hire that Thibs should be fired for Mike Brown, none of them would have supported the idea.

Mike Brown has been successful coach at every stop and has shown to be flexible depending on what the roster makeup is. He learned a lot of offensive game plans while with the Warriors as head asst. This is safe pick by the Knicks. Exepreince coach that will command respect form this group the second he walks in similar to Thibs in that way but its a new voice that they needed.

Cavs- couple 60 win seasons and a finals appearance with Cavs teams that we can all agree were lacking talent outside of Lebron

Lakers- Great first year and then imo was unfairly fired in year 2 after 5 games in the first year of Nash/Dwight we know how all that worked out

Kings- most successful years the kings have seen since the early 2000s. #1 rnked offense with fox/sabonis as his best palyers and had the team playing a league average defense (a team employing derozan, fox and sabonis).

The one thing I worry about and its the reason he got fired was his interaction with the Media and how he "threw" his teams under the bus. he will get eaten alive in new york if he does that. Thibs knew how to handle them.

What a disaster.

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I'm surprised to see Knicks fans like this hire, especially with better candidates available in Malone and Jenkins.

God Squad wrote:I'm surprised to see Knicks fans like this hire, especially with better candidates available in Malone and Jenkins.

malone is a carbon copy of thibs

DaGawd wrote:

God Squad wrote:I'm surprised to see Knicks fans like this hire, especially with better candidates available in Malone and Jenkins.

malone is a carbon copy of thibs

In what sense? Because Bruce Brown, Payton Watson, Braun, and others saw plenty of game time. Either way, firing Thibs for Mike Brown is wild .

Memories wrote:Knicks back to LOLKnicks.

Fired Thibs for Brown? Firing Thibs was actually a good call, but only to turn around and hire Mr. Potato Head Mike Brown? You might as well have kept Thibs then.

I think they became the LOL Knicks when they traded all their picks for Mikal Bridges

God Squad wrote:

DaGawd wrote:

God Squad wrote:I'm surprised to see Knicks fans like this hire, especially with better candidates available in Malone and Jenkins.

malone is a carbon copy of thibs

In what sense? Because Bruce Brown, Payton Watson, Braun, and others saw plenty of game time. Either way, firing Thibs for Mike Brown is wild .

heavy minutes to starters as we saw last year, favoritism toward certain players (namely westbrook stick is why he lost the locker room there apparently), his way out no way approach making him difficult to work with (thibs)

The only reason Brown is available is because the Kings are a disaster. McNair didn't want to fire him, but was forced to and once he did, Fox requested a trade.

Sixers in 4 wrote:Going from Thibs to Mike Brown.

Oomf.

Yeah, that's pretty dumb. Don't care for Brown at all.

UcanUwill wrote:

vxmike wrote:

bonita_the_frog wrote:Why didn't they hire a great coach, why not Phil Jackson? Even if he doesn't have a working body anymore, he'd still be better than Mike Brown surely...

Phil Jackson coaching via FaceTime in a nursing home would be better….

WOuld he bring Sasha Vujacic again, like he did the first time NYK hired him? I think Knicks learned that you do not hire someone who does not want to be there, they learned from Phil Jackson experience directly.

Mike Brown is fine, he is not another Thibs, he is more players coach and he likes to play faster tempo basketball.

But Phil Jackson is a coach, and that's probably why he didn't enjoy being a manager locked away in an office...
And what was Phil Jackson known for the most? Communicating with players and managing personalities
Being in the front office doesn't allow you to communicate with players much, so it would be a nightmare for him

knicksstuff wrote:Mike Brown has been successful coach at every stop and has shown to be flexible depending on what the roster makeup is. He learned a lot of offensive game plans while with the Warriors as head asst. This is safe pick by the Knicks. Exepreince coach that will command respect form this group the second he walks in similar to Thibs in that way but its a new voice that they needed.

Cavs- couple 60 win seasons and a finals appearance with Cavs teams that we can all agree were lacking talent outside of Lebron

Lakers- Great first year and then imo was unfairly fired in year 2 after 5 games in the first year of Nash/Dwight we know how all that worked out

Kings- most successful years the kings have seen since the early 2000s. #1 rnked offense with fox/sabonis as his best palyers and had the team playing a league average defense (a team employing derozan, fox and sabonis).

The one thing I worry about and its the reason he got fired was his interaction with the Media and how he "threw" his teams under the bus. he will get eaten alive in new york if he does that. Thibs knew how to handle them.

Actually since the mid 2000s.

Kings had multiple 50 /60 win seasons during the 2000s. Like 6 of them.

jkvonny wrote:

knicksstuff wrote:Mike Brown has been successful coach at every stop and has shown to be flexible depending on what the roster makeup is. He learned a lot of offensive game plans while with the Warriors as head asst. This is safe pick by the Knicks. Exepreince coach that will command respect form this group the second he walks in similar to Thibs in that way but its a new voice that they needed.

Cavs- couple 60 win seasons and a finals appearance with Cavs teams that we can all agree were lacking talent outside of Lebron

Lakers- Great first year and then imo was unfairly fired in year 2 after 5 games in the first year of Nash/Dwight we know how all that worked out

Kings- most successful years the kings have seen since the early 2000s. #1 rnked offense with fox/sabonis as his best palyers and had the team playing a league average defense (a team employing derozan, fox and sabonis).

The one thing I worry about and its the reason he got fired was his interaction with the Media and how he "threw" his teams under the bus. he will get eaten alive in new york if he does that. Thibs knew how to handle them.

Actually since the mid 2000s.

Kings had multiple 50 /60 win seasons during the 2000s. Like 6 of them.

I'd say '04-'05 still qualifies as early 2000's (that was the last time they won 50 games) and they didn't reach the playoffs from '06 until '23.