[Stein] - Hawks More Open To Trading Trae Young; Would Include Zaccharie Risacher In Right Deal

[Mark_83]

Look at how quickly the hawks are moving on from their number 1 pick… meanwhile the raptors…

I still can't believe they passed on Sarr.

[dagger]

Trading him for any value while you still can is better than force feeding minutes and Then eventually letting his contract run out for nothing. Surely there’s a team out there that sees him as some sort of reclamation project because of his age. It’s the same thing I said about achiuwa at the time. Development time is over you either produce or don’t play.

I am inclined to agree that the time to reclaim value for Gradey seems to be here. He's not doing much of anything worthwhile for us, and whilst it would suck if we move him and he starts to flourish, we need assets who produce for us right now.

Actually, I don't agree with the premise of needing "assets to produce right now". CBA-wise, what are you going to get for a $5 million contract that isn't going to create a new surplus in the roster, blocking someone else's development? I can't think of a C in a similar position as Gradey salary wise who is one the market on a rookie scale deal. Wings, sure, but that doesn't create any-more-now value and there is the potential for whomever you acquire to walk even sooner than Gradey who is still under contract for next season.

[sidsid]

I agree. I would do it just for the opportunity to take on and try to develop Risacher. I would do everything possible to entice Trae to opt out of his contract just to get off of IQ's contract. I think IQ works better in Atlanta's line-up since he wouldn't be called upon to be a primary ball handler. He'd just be a gunner.

RIsacher is still only 20 years old...same age as CMB. I don't think Zac is a bad player and while only playing 24 mpg being 3rd or 4th option on offence and averaging about 12 ppg is what you'd expect especially playing with Trae Young, Jalen Johnson and Dyson Daniels who will likely take more of the shots because of their roles in the hierarchy.

Trae is two years of a very bad contract that you can't win with and who will dominate everything you do on offense and defense at the expense of all other development. I'm only doing that trade if we can clean house on our long term contracts and that means moving Jak as well. You can sub out RJ for Jak and add 2 of their minimum bigs and it works. Good cap space alignment in 2 years.

It isn't 2 years of Trae Young if he opts out of his player option this summer........

Who is paying him? The Nets? The 3 small, all star guards are all assumed to have low or negative trade value. Teams have been prepping for the 2027 offseason. That's the Giannis/Jokic opt out year. Donovan Mitchell, AD, etc. that includes the suspects like Trae and BI.

Most of those guys will re-sign and a lot of dumb cap space money is going to be sloshing around. I have to assume the agents are signalling this to their clients too. He's picking up his option.

[dagger]

Trae is probably the one star that I'm least keen on. Feel like his team consistently underperforms when he plays and the team is arguably better when he is off the court. Add in the injury and high usage required by Trae not sure he is ideal fit for us even at a cheap cost.

And I think the cheap cost thing is questionable. Trae makes $46 million. If Risacher is included, the salary total becomes $59.2 million, so even IQ+Gradey+Ochai doesn't do it. Add in Poeltl, does it, perhaps (the apron rules that I don't understand come into play here, as well as tax considerations for Toronto). But is IQ+JP+GD for Trae And Risacher a good deal for either team?

[tsherkin]

Actually, I don't agree with the premise of needing "assets to produce right now".

More what I was getting at is that we can't really be working on forever projects anymore. 3 years in, Gradey blows donkeys, and that's not getting it done. We're clearly pivoting into a win-now mode, and he's utterly useless to us in his present form. So players of that type, we need to move on from them instead of bogging down in their development. Obviously, that doesn't mean "move them for almost literally nothing," and as you say, we still have salary control over him next season (and I think he's an expiring then if we don't extend him, right?), which might make the timing more appealing then.

But he's definitely not a guy we should extend, nor one on whom we should pin our hopes, or mark as untouchable. Or even hesitating to move.

[PushDaRock]

Actually, I don't agree with the premise of needing "assets to produce right now".

More what I was getting at is that we can't really be working on forever projects anymore. 3 years in, Gradey blows donkeys, and that's not getting it done. We're clearly pivoting into a win-now mode, and he's utterly useless to us in his present form. So players of that type, we need to move on from them instead of bogging down in their development. Obviously, that doesn't mean "move them for almost literally nothing," and as you say, we still have salary control over him next season (and I think he's an expiring then if we don't extend him, right?), which might make the timing more appealing then.

But he's definitely not a guy we should extend, nor one on whom we should pin our hopes, or mark as untouchable. Or even hesitating to move.

His value right now is similar underperforming prospect or possibly expiring scrub + SRP if you find the right team willing to still give him a chance which might not even exist. Maybe you could get Cam Thomas if he would agree to waive his NTC in some sort of package with a SRP or 2. Given the reality of the situation, we're probably better off just trying to keep developing him to see if it ever clicks and then dump him as expiring next season or just let him expire if it doesn't work out.

[Tor_Raps]

Report: Hawks more open to discussing trade deals for Young
https://thescore.com/nba/news/3441598

[Clutch0z24]

One of
Young
Morant
Ball
Sabonis
AD

will be looked at by Bobby....We are deff trying to bring in a big or a different PG....Just so happens 3 PGs and 2 bigs are available....Which one we get idk but i feel Bobby will try to get one of them....What we give up is the big question....Not really a huge fan of some on the list but i feel Bobby does not care and just wants to make win now moves....Even if they are flawed "stars"

IQ
Yak
RJ (money purposes)
Jakobe
Dick

CMB (Potentially if Bobby doesn't wanna give up future 1sts)

All on the table id imagine...what we give up idk but if a trade does get made i expect a realgm board meltdown.

[Tor_Raps]

Look at how quickly the hawks are moving on from their number 1 pick… meanwhile the raptors…

I still can't believe they passed on Sarr.

Sarr said they better not draft him. If they liked him enough then they should have picked him anyways.

[Tor_Raps]

One of
Young
Morant
Ball
Sabonis
AD

will be looked at by Bobby....We are deff trying to bring in a big or a different PG....Just so happens 3 PGs and 2 bigs are available....Which one we get idk but i feel Bobby will try to get one of them....What we give up is the big question....Not really a huge fan of some on the list but i feel Bobby does not care and just wants to make win now moves....Even if they are flawed "stars"

IQ
Yak
RJ (money purposes)
Jakobe
Dick

CMB (Potentially if Bobby doesn't wanna give up future 1sts)

All on the table id imagine...what we give up idk but if a trade does get made i expect a realgm board meltdown.

Ya I think it comes down to who could be had for the cheapest too. The fact there could be a lot of supply means the demand wont be as high so hoping we just find the best possible deal.

[ArthurVandelay]

One of
Young
Morant
Ball
Sabonis
AD

will be looked at by Bobby....We are deff trying to bring in a big or a different PG....Just so happens 3 PGs and 2 bigs are available....Which one we get idk but i feel Bobby will try to get one of them....What we give up is the big question....Not really a huge fan of some on the list but i feel Bobby does not care and just wants to make win now moves....Even if they are flawed "stars"

IQ
Yak
RJ (money purposes)
Jakobe
Dick

CMB (Potentially if Bobby doesn't wanna give up future 1sts)

All on the table id imagine...what we give up idk but if a trade does get made i expect a realgm board meltdown.

If RJ and CMB are traded, I’ll be disappointed. I’ve come to have an irrational affinity for RJ.

They definitely need to get off one of (or both of) IQ or Poeltl. They aren’t bad players they just make too much for what they are. Cant have $60m of your cap tied up in 2 average to below average starters.

[Clutch0z24]

One of
Young
Morant
Ball
Sabonis
AD

will be looked at by Bobby....We are deff trying to bring in a big or a different PG....Just so happens 3 PGs and 2 bigs are available....Which one we get idk but i feel Bobby will try to get one of them....What we give up is the big question....Not really a huge fan of some on the list but i feel Bobby does not care and just wants to make win now moves....Even if they are flawed "stars"

IQ
Yak
RJ (money purposes)
Jakobe
Dick

CMB (Potentially if Bobby doesn't wanna give up future 1sts)

All on the table id imagine...what we give up idk but if a trade does get made i expect a realgm board meltdown.

If RJ and CMB are traded, I’ll be disappointed. I’ve come to have an irrational affinity for RJ.

They definitely need to get off one of (or both of) IQ or Poeltl. They aren’t bad players they just make too much for what they are. Cant have $60m of your cap tied up in 2 average to below average starters.

Yep i have a feeling though that one of the two at least would be involved in a deal because they are the value in any trade....IQ/Yak right now are looked at as negative contracts around the NBA....They are not horrible players but at their price tag not many teams want to touch that unless they are getting back first rounders as well....

But i feel a trade for one of the 5 coming this deadline it all depends which one and what we give up....But i highly doubt we can dump IQ/Yak to a team at this point without giving up future firsts or CMB....They are negative assets atm...

RJ is the only one of the bunch that has actual value so him being in a trade would not shock me....

Just feel Bobby this season will try to grab one of these guys if its a reasonable price...

[bboyskinnylegs]

Report: Hawks more open to discussing trade deals for Young
https://thescore.com/nba/news/3441598

lol how much more open to discussing Trae deals can they get? Must be getting desperate

[TheRaptor!]

Can't win with a player like Young he's too small and weak for switches. His career might actually end up being over in the NBA. He's a massive disadvantage, it's crazy how this wasn't uncovered sooner.

Holy overreaction batman. Career might be over?

a 24ppg 12 apg guy's career might be over lol

[Thaddy]

Can't win with a player like Young he's too small and weak for switches. His career might actually end up being over in the NBA. He's a massive disadvantage, it's crazy how this wasn't uncovered sooner.

Holy overreaction batman. Career might be over?

a 24ppg 12 apg guy's career might be over lol

Yeah because impact stats matter more than raw ones. He isn't an amazing shooter either.

[dagger]

One of
Young
Morant
Ball
Sabonis
AD

will be looked at by Bobby....We are deff trying to bring in a big or a different PG....Just so happens 3 PGs and 2 bigs are available....Which one we get idk but i feel Bobby will try to get one of them....What we give up is the big question....Not really a huge fan of some on the list but i feel Bobby does not care and just wants to make win now moves....Even if they are flawed "stars"

IQ
Yak
RJ (money purposes)
Jakobe
Dick

CMB (Potentially if Bobby doesn't wanna give up future 1sts)

All on the table id imagine...what we give up idk but if a trade does get made i expect a realgm board meltdown.

But there isn't a win-now deal out there if you define win as becoming a clear-cut contender. (Giannis might be the one big star who can swing the team's status, overcoming the loss in starters needed to make the money work.) Any deal we could make for a "big name" is going to cost the Raptors in good assets - at least one and probably two starters to make the salaries work - and all to acquire a player who is not living up to his huge salary.

(An aside on Morant - not only is he not performing up to his contract, his assholery keeps coming to the surface. Last night, during a teammate's pair of free throws, he kept chirping at one of the 76ers and got tagged for a technical foul for dong so. The tech FT was made. Lo and behold, the game went into overtime. And Memphis lost.)

[Clutch0z24]

One of
Young
Morant
Ball
Sabonis
AD

will be looked at by Bobby....We are deff trying to bring in a big or a different PG....Just so happens 3 PGs and 2 bigs are available....Which one we get idk but i feel Bobby will try to get one of them....What we give up is the big question....Not really a huge fan of some on the list but i feel Bobby does not care and just wants to make win now moves....Even if they are flawed "stars"

IQ
Yak
RJ (money purposes)
Jakobe
Dick

CMB (Potentially if Bobby doesn't wanna give up future 1sts)

All on the table id imagine...what we give up idk but if a trade does get made i expect a realgm board meltdown.

But there isn't a win-now deal out there if you define win as becoming a clear-cut contender. (Giannis might be the one big star who can swing the team's status, overcoming the loss in starters needed to make the money work.) Any deal we could make for a "big name" is going to cost the Raptors in good assets - at least one and probably two starters to make the salaries work - and all to acquire a player who is not living up to his huge salary.

(An aside on Morant - not only is he not performing up to his contract, his assholery keeps coming to the surface. Last night, during a teammate's pair of free throws, he kept chirping at one of the 76ers and got tagged for a technical foul for dong so. The tech FT was made. Lo and behold, the game went into overtime. And Memphis lost.)

Yep while i agree in theory ....I don't think Giannis gets traded to a team he doesn't want to go to....I think Giannis next team will be the team he hand selects (Most likely the Knicks)...

I just feel Bobby/Owners are looking at this team as they been operating the last few years....Win as quick as you can to make more $$$...They wanna sell playoff tickets, want a flashy new name to put asses in seats and sell jerseys....They will make the trade i feel this deadline because that RJ contract is coming up , IQ/Yak are negative assets for the price tag so losing one of them won't lose sleep over....The draft pick or young guys will be the ad ons in any deal which a few of them will be added to any deal....

We prolly still don't make it far in the playoffs but we might make an extra round and maybe thats worth it to them....Thats just the direction we are going...And rarely do any players that are on the trade market ever make a team contenders asap....But its the direction i see us going down is trading for "Stars" with flaws and hope it works out....

[mdenny]

One of
Young
Morant
Ball
Sabonis
AD

will be looked at by Bobby....We are deff trying to bring in a big or a different PG....Just so happens 3 PGs and 2 bigs are available....Which one we get idk but i feel Bobby will try to get one of them....What we give up is the big question....Not really a huge fan of some on the list but i feel Bobby does not care and just wants to make win now moves....Even if they are flawed "stars"

IQ
Yak
RJ (money purposes)
Jakobe
Dick

CMB (Potentially if Bobby doesn't wanna give up future 1sts)

All on the table id imagine...what we give up idk but if a trade does get made i expect a realgm board meltdown.

But there isn't a win-now deal out there if you define win as becoming a clear-cut contender. (Giannis might be the one big star who can swing the team's status, overcoming the loss in starters needed to make the money work.) Any deal we could make for a "big name" is going to cost the Raptors in good assets - at least one and probably two starters to make the salaries work - and all to acquire a player who is not living up to his huge salary.

(An aside on Morant - not only is he not performing up to his contract, his assholery keeps coming to the surface. Last night, during a teammate's pair of free throws, he kept chirping at one of the 76ers and got tagged for a technical foul for dong so. The tech FT was made. Lo and behold, the game went into overtime. And Memphis lost.)

I watched that game too. Morant filled the boxscore but was playing so selfishly and stupidly. Memphis had an open shot at the end of regulation and Morant was signalling for a cross court pass (there wasn't nearly enough time) instead of crashing the glass. Little things like that stuck out to me.

He made some amazing plays, granted, but there was a bunch of little things that just confirm it's all about him in his mind. Not about winning.

[tsherkin]

His value right now is similar underperforming prospect or possibly expiring scrub + SRP if you find the right team willing to still give him a chance which might not even exist. Maybe you could get Cam Thomas if he would agree to waive his NTC in some sort of package with a SRP or 2. Given the reality of the situation, we're probably better off just trying to keep developing him to see if it ever clicks and then dump him as expiring next season or just let him expire if it doesn't work out.

Indeed. That may unfortunately be the best course.

[TheRaptor!]

Holy overreaction batman. Career might be over?

a 24ppg 12 apg guy's career might be over lol

Yeah because impact stats matter more than raw ones. He isn't an amazing shooter either.

I'll bet my life savings his career is not going to be over

The guy brought a trash Hawks team to ECF, do you have the memory of a gold fish?