Quickley or Shead?

[ConSarnit]

Jrue was the 17th pick and made an all star game as a 22 year old. We traded away a lottery pick for Lowry. That is in no way comparable to using the 45th pick on Shead. They are not even CLOSE to comparable as prospects.

Jrue was a better player from day 1 than Shead is, and Lowry is also the outlier of all outliers when it comes to development.

But again, who is this mystery player that is just going to casually be Jrue Holiday for us?

COULD Jamal Shead develop into that guy... I guess anyone "could" do that.

WILL Jamal Shead develop into that guy? I would say the odds Shead makes an all-star game at like 1%.

No idea why you are bringing Shead into this. Lol

You asked how does a team acquire a Jrue.Holiday type player. It happens......but you have to know what you want in a player & your scouting/ talent evaluation has to be on point. We do have assets we can move. I am not saying it can or will happen tomorrow. Maybe it takes 6 months, maybe it takes 2 years. You keep picking away.

uhhh i think I got confused on what convo i was in

But again... how are we acquiring a Jrue player?

That is such a crazy ask to make for a team lol. Just go "find" the next breakout all-nba player for cheap

It’s just completely unrealistic expectations. Jrue wasn’t even acquired as some “hidden gem”. The guy was traded AFTER he had made the all-star team in his 4th season.

These are the same posters who were saying we need to find another Avdija type player in another thread. Or they were saying we need to find another Mamu to solidify the bench.

So now all we need to do is identify 2 potential all-stars starters and get them for cheap. Then sign another solid bench player to possibly one of the best value contracts in the league.

Fixing this team is just easy peasy. Not sure why Masai didn’t think of it. Maybe it would have saved his job.

[Indeed]

The Davion / Shead pairing was not a feasible long term option. You cant have 48 minutes of PG play from non-shooting threats

It was working. It looked good. You could see opposing PG's hated it. They were pretty shook some games.

Mitchell shot .398 from three last season & is shooting .379 this season. You can't say he is a non-shooting threat.

Unless Shead magically becomes a high volume 3 point shooter, that simply isn't the case. Shead is a much better defender when he is a bench guy playing 18mpg, but don't forget IQ was labeled as a great defender to in NYK. The difference between the two defensively isn't huge. It is just natural when guys get more minute and offensive responsibility the defence drops. Same thing would happen to Shead if he played 32mpg.

IQ was a great defender because 1 youtube video said so? IQ was a good off-ball defender in Thibs system. He is not a great individual defender. The difference between their on ball defense is quite significant.

So you are saying Lowry couldn't play defense for 32 min? Davion Mitchell can't play defense for 32 min? Jason Kidd? Jrue Holiday?

You either have it in you, or you don't.

Comparing the 2026 era where Shead has been developing in the 3point climate and 2008 era where Lowry was never encouraged to shoot 3's is not the same thing.

I will give you that, but Lowry did improve his shooting at 25 years old. It's not like players didn't shoot 3's back then. Steve Nash had been cooking for quite a while at that point. There were tons of PG's from that era that could shoot.

Sure. But this is a 4-year college player who is in his 2nd NBA season. It has been 6 years of high level development to figure out his shot and it never happened. Here is his shooting splits:
FR - 12.5% (barely played)
SO - 29.8%
JR - 31.0%
SR - 30.9%
ROOK - 32.3%
SOPH - 33.1%

He is more than likely going to be a bad shooter for the rest of his career.

I am just going to diaagree with you on this one. Many players developed a consistent 3 point shot in their prime years. I think shooting is one of the easier skills to develop.

Hey......look at the numbers you provided.....he is improving! By the 2028/ 2029 season, he should be a 36% shooter!

As much as I like Davion Mitchell since the draft, he is not a shooting threat with his volume, and the biggest problem of us having two starters being non shooting threat really makes it hard to play the third one, but I feel he would be the better fit with Barrett and even Ingram.

As for our record last year, it has a lot to do with lack of creator. Outside of Barrett and partially with Shead, we do not have much creator. And some people here (including me) had Mitchell over the injured Quickley last year, and the disagreement mainly on shooting (for Barnes).

As for shooting, it is definitely the easiest to teach, but it has been mixed. Siakam after these years, he is able to shoot pullup 3s, along with Powell, while Achuiwa or Stephen Jackson or Banton or Flynn are not that successful (unsure if this is related to our coaching), Barnes and CMB have yet to proof them. Worst Dick has not gain back his promising protential. Afterall, it is a mix on shooting improvement.

[ConSarnit]

The Davion / Shead pairing was not a feasible long term option. You cant have 48 minutes of PG play from non-shooting threats

It was working. It looked good. You could see opposing PG's hated it. They were pretty shook some games.

Mitchell shot .398 from three last season & is shooting .379 this season. You can't say he is a non-shooting threat.

Unless Shead magically becomes a high volume 3 point shooter, that simply isn't the case. Shead is a much better defender when he is a bench guy playing 18mpg, but don't forget IQ was labeled as a great defender to in NYK. The difference between the two defensively isn't huge. It is just natural when guys get more minute and offensive responsibility the defence drops. Same thing would happen to Shead if he played 32mpg.

IQ was a great defender because 1 youtube video said so? IQ was a good off-ball defender in Thibs system. He is not a great individual defender. The difference between their on ball defense is quite significant.

So you are saying Lowry couldn't play defense for 32 min? Davion Mitchell can't play defense for 32 min? Jason Kidd? Jrue Holiday?

You either have it in you, or you don't.

Comparing the 2026 era where Shead has been developing in the 3point climate and 2008 era where Lowry was never encouraged to shoot 3's is not the same thing.

I will give you that, but Lowry did improve his shooting at 25 years old. It's not like players didn't shoot 3's back then. Steve Nash had been cooking for quite a while at that point. There were tons of PG's from that era that could shoot.

Sure. But this is a 4-year college player who is in his 2nd NBA season. It has been 6 years of high level development to figure out his shot and it never happened. Here is his shooting splits:
FR - 12.5% (barely played)
SO - 29.8%
JR - 31.0%
SR - 30.9%
ROOK - 32.3%
SOPH - 33.1%

He is more than likely going to be a bad shooter for the rest of his career.

I am just going to diaagree with you on this one. Many players developed a consistent 3 point shot in their prime years. I think shooting is one of the easier skills to develop.

Hey......look at the numbers you provided.....he is improving! By the 2028/ 2029 season, he should be a 36% shooter!

You have to understand that even shooting 36% from 3 means nothing if the volume isn’t there. If Shead is shooting 36% from 3 on 3 attempts per game that’s not that helpful. The league runs on 3pt shooting and teams get their most volume from their guards. If Shead can hit 1 catch and shoot 3 per game that does nothing to help his own (terrible) scoring game. Even if you want him as a 3+D guard he has to be able to actually take enough 3’s to be a threat. He’s not going to be a threat if he can’t come off of screens or shoot off the dribble. Middling fg%, low volume 3pt shooting from a guard is like a big man who is getting you 4 rebounds a game. You need certain levels of production from certain positions (ex. shooting from guards).

In regard to shooting development you’re not considering it on a case by case basis. As mentioned, Shead is a 4 year college player who shot 30% in college. He has made slight improvements in the NBA. Ask yourself this: why is Shead such a poor shooter when he has spent his entire high level career (college, pros) during a time in which the 3pt shot has been exceedingly emphasized? This is why the comparison to Lowry is not apt. Lowry came up at a time in which 3pt shooting was far less emphasized as a make or break skill.

Given how important 3pt shooting now is as a skill (especially so for guards), why has Shead remained such a poor shooter? If he hasn’t figured it out by now the odds are very low he ever will.

[ConSarnit]

The Davion / Shead pairing was not a feasible long term option. You cant have 48 minutes of PG play from non-shooting threats

It was working. It looked good. You could see opposing PG's hated it. They were pretty shook some games.

Mitchell shot .398 from three last season & is shooting .379 this season. You can't say he is a non-shooting threat.

Unless Shead magically becomes a high volume 3 point shooter, that simply isn't the case. Shead is a much better defender when he is a bench guy playing 18mpg, but don't forget IQ was labeled as a great defender to in NYK. The difference between the two defensively isn't huge. It is just natural when guys get more minute and offensive responsibility the defence drops. Same thing would happen to Shead if he played 32mpg.

IQ was a great defender because 1 youtube video said so? IQ was a good off-ball defender in Thibs system. He is not a great individual defender. The difference between their on ball defense is quite significant.

So you are saying Lowry couldn't play defense for 32 min? Davion Mitchell can't play defense for 32 min? Jason Kidd? Jrue Holiday?

You either have it in you, or you don't.

Comparing the 2026 era where Shead has been developing in the 3point climate and 2008 era where Lowry was never encouraged to shoot 3's is not the same thing.

I will give you that, but Lowry did improve his shooting at 25 years old. It's not like players didn't shoot 3's back then. Steve Nash had been cooking for quite a while at that point. There were tons of PG's from that era that could shoot.

Sure. But this is a 4-year college player who is in his 2nd NBA season. It has been 6 years of high level development to figure out his shot and it never happened. Here is his shooting splits:
FR - 12.5% (barely played)
SO - 29.8%
JR - 31.0%
SR - 30.9%
ROOK - 32.3%
SOPH - 33.1%

He is more than likely going to be a bad shooter for the rest of his career.

I am just going to diaagree with you on this one. Many players developed a consistent 3 point shot in their prime years. I think shooting is one of the easier skills to develop.

Hey......look at the numbers you provided.....he is improving! By the 2028/ 2029 season, he should be a 36% shooter!

As much as I like Davion Mitchell since the draft, he is not a shooting threat with his volume, and the biggest problem of us having two starters being non shooting threat really makes it hard to play the third one, but I feel he would be the better fit with Barrett and even Ingram.

As for our record last year, it has a lot to do with lack of creator. Outside of Barrett and partially with Shead, we do not have much creator. And some people here (including me) had Mitchell over the injured Quickley last year, and the disagreement mainly on shooting (for Barnes).

As for shooting, it is definitely the easiest to teach, but it has been mixed. Siakam after these years, he is able to shoot pullup 3s, along with Powell, while Achuiwa or Stephen Jackson or Banton or Flynn are not that successful (unsure if this is related to our coaching), Barnes and CMB have yet to proof them. Worst Dick has not gain back his promising protential. Afterall, it is a mix on shooting improvement.

Shooting improvement should also be considered on a case by case basis. Consider Siakam: a forward who started playing basketball later in life. Came up during a time in which shooting was less emphasized (was in college just as the 3pr shooting revolution was taking off). Took 17 total 3pa in college. How many more reps would someone like Shead have had shooting 3’s compared to someone like Siakam when both were coming out of college? I would guess Shead had practiced 3pt shooting at a level that dwarfed Siakam. As such, Siakam had much more untapped potential. That doesn’t even account for the fact that guys like Siakam are very much an anomaly and should not be considered the standard as far as shooting development goes.

If a guy (especially a guard) is coming out of 4 years of college during the 3pt era and still can’t shoot you really have ask why?

[YogurtProducer]

The Davion / Shead pairing was not a feasible long term option. You cant have 48 minutes of PG play from non-shooting threats

It was working. It looked good. You could see opposing PG's hated it. They were pretty shook some games.

Mitchell shot .398 from three last season & is shooting .379 this season. You can't say he is a non-shooting threat.

Unless Shead magically becomes a high volume 3 point shooter, that simply isn't the case. Shead is a much better defender when he is a bench guy playing 18mpg, but don't forget IQ was labeled as a great defender to in NYK. The difference between the two defensively isn't huge. It is just natural when guys get more minute and offensive responsibility the defence drops. Same thing would happen to Shead if he played 32mpg.

IQ was a great defender because 1 youtube video said so? IQ was a good off-ball defender in Thibs system. He is not a great individual defender. The difference between their on ball defense is quite significant.

So you are saying Lowry couldn't play defense for 32 min? Davion Mitchell can't play defense for 32 min? Jason Kidd? Jrue Holiday?

You either have it in you, or you don't.

Comparing the 2026 era where Shead has been developing in the 3point climate and 2008 era where Lowry was never encouraged to shoot 3's is not the same thing.

I will give you that, but Lowry did improve his shooting at 25 years old. It's not like players didn't shoot 3's back then. Steve Nash had been cooking for quite a while at that point. There were tons of PG's from that era that could shoot.

Sure. But this is a 4-year college player who is in his 2nd NBA season. It has been 6 years of high level development to figure out his shot and it never happened. Here is his shooting splits:
FR - 12.5% (barely played)
SO - 29.8%
JR - 31.0%
SR - 30.9%
ROOK - 32.3%
SOPH - 33.1%

He is more than likely going to be a bad shooter for the rest of his career.

I am just going to diaagree with you on this one. Many players developed a consistent 3 point shot in their prime years. I think shooting is one of the easier skills to develop.

Hey......look at the numbers you provided.....he is improving! By the 2028/ 2029 season, he should be a 36% shooter!

You have to understand that even shooting 36% from 3 means nothing if the volume isn’t there. If Shead is shooting 36% from 3 on 3 attempts per game that’s not that helpful. The league runs on 3pt shooting and teams get their most volume from their guards. If Shead can hit 1 catch and shoot 3 per game that does nothing to help his own (terrible) scoring game. Even if you want him as a 3+D guard he has to be able to actually take enough 3’s to be a threat. He’s not going to be a threat if he can’t come off of screens or shoot off the dribble. Middling fg%, low volume 3pt shooting from a guard is like a big man who is getting you 4 rebounds a game. You need certain levels of production from certain positions (ex. shooting from guards).

In regard to shooting development you’re not considering it on a case by case basis. As mentioned, Shead is a 4 year college player who shot 30% in college. He has made slight improvements in the NBA. Ask yourself this: why is Shead such a poor shooter when he has spent his entire high level career (college, pros) during a time in which the 3pt shot has been exceedingly emphasized? This is why the comparison to Lowry is not apt. Lowry came up at a time in which 3pt shooting was far less emphasized as a make or break skill.

Given how important 3pt shooting now is as a skill (especially so for guards), why has Shead remained such a poor shooter? If he hasn’t figured it out by now the odds are very low he ever will.

Thank you for articulating what I was trying to say in a much clearer form

I hope Shead becomes a high volume shooter. He immediately becomes a starting PG if he had a high level shot.

Problem is - that is SOOOOO unlikely to happen.

[MEDIC]

This forum has completely lost their minds. We don’t even know if Shead will last in the NBA. He’s got a lot of work to do.

It's not just this sub. Several basketball analysts think Shead is the more effective player.

There was a game earlier this season against Boston. The Boston commentators were talking about Shead & how difficult he was making the game for Boston. You could tell they had a lot of respect for his game & the way he was playing.

Towards the end of the game, Darko subbed Quickley back in & one of them snickered & said "well, I guess Darko is going to help us win this one" (or something along those lines).

That doesn't say much. That's based on one game. There is no way a credible basketball analyst would think that Shead should replace IQ in the starting lineup. It's outrageous. IQ is the much better basketball player and it's not even close. And it's not like Shead would be the better fit in the starting lineup. He's a bad offensive player who can't shoot.

Sure. It's game depemdent, but that is just an example..There are quite a few basketball analysts that are critical.of Quick & feel that the the team needs an upgrade at starting PG. Some feel Shead is a better fit as well.

Saying IQ is a "much better basketball player & it's not even close" is a bit out there. If that were the case, the team would fall off a cliff when Shead enters the game. That is simply not the case. Often enough, the team plays better when Shead comes in.

There are many aspects to basketball. So many people hyperfocus on shooting. Shead is better at many aspects of PG play.

[MEDIC]

No idea why you are bringing Shead into this. Lol

You asked how does a team acquire a Jrue.Holiday type player. It happens......but you have to know what you want in a player & your scouting/ talent evaluation has to be on point. We do have assets we can move. I am not saying it can or will happen tomorrow. Maybe it takes 6 months, maybe it takes 2 years. You keep picking away.

uhhh i think I got confused on what convo i was in

But again... how are we acquiring a Jrue player?

That is such a crazy ask to make for a team lol. Just go "find" the next breakout all-nba player for cheap

It’s just completely unrealistic expectations. Jrue wasn’t even acquired as some “hidden gem”. The guy was traded AFTER he had made the all-star team in his 4th season.

These are the same posters who were saying we need to find another Avdija type player in another thread. Or they were saying we need to find another Mamu to solidify the bench.

So now all we need to do is identify 2 potential all-stars starters and get them for cheap. Then sign another solid bench player to possibly one of the best value contracts in the league.

Fixing this team is just easy peasy. Not sure why Masai didn’t think of it. Maybe it would have saved his job.

It's a mix of luck and opportunity. It happens though.....and that's how teams get better. If Indy doesn't go out & get Haliburton, they don't make it to the NBA finals.

You have to know what kind of team you want to be though. Target players that fit what you want to do..

You can't say......well, we want to be a top 5 defensive team.....or we want to build.an identify of being a tough/ defensive organization, then go out & put OG Anonoby on the floor with Jose Calderon. Isn't going to work. If you want to run and gun, your target is probably Steve Nash rather than Chauncy Billups.

Smart organizations know exactly the type of characteristics they want in their players & they target players that they believe will fit their play style & culture.

You can't just grab a bunch of players & hope it works out simply because they have talent.

Darko says he wants to prioritize defense.......so you have to find guys who play defense if you want to be that team.

[MEDIC]

I almost wish that Iq would sit out for 4 or 5 games so that all the exagerated critiques would be put into perspective. RJ's image with a subset of this board was completely rehabilitated just by sitting out so that ppl can learn to appreciate what he provides even when he has a bad game stat wise.


Ir's true for Iq...even when he has a poor shooting game.....there's other stuff that happens with his presence. I love Shead but it's predictable that he would end up getting fully hated on in IQ's absence.

I have been thinking the same. It would be interesting to see..

I think the bigger problem would be PG depth rather than Shead starting over IQ.

One thing I do agree with is having the both of them is a good thing. They offset one another's weaknesses so you can adjust based on need/ matchups.

[Indeed]

It was working. It looked good. You could see opposing PG's hated it. They were pretty shook some games.

Mitchell shot .398 from three last season & is shooting .379 this season. You can't say he is a non-shooting threat.



IQ was a great defender because 1 youtube video said so? IQ was a good off-ball defender in Thibs system. He is not a great individual defender. The difference between their on ball defense is quite significant.

So you are saying Lowry couldn't play defense for 32 min? Davion Mitchell can't play defense for 32 min? Jason Kidd? Jrue Holiday?

You either have it in you, or you don't.




I will give you that, but Lowry did improve his shooting at 25 years old. It's not like players didn't shoot 3's back then. Steve Nash had been cooking for quite a while at that point. There were tons of PG's from that era that could shoot.



I am just going to diaagree with you on this one. Many players developed a consistent 3 point shot in their prime years. I think shooting is one of the easier skills to develop.

Hey......look at the numbers you provided.....he is improving! By the 2028/ 2029 season, he should be a 36% shooter!

As much as I like Davion Mitchell since the draft, he is not a shooting threat with his volume, and the biggest problem of us having two starters being non shooting threat really makes it hard to play the third one, but I feel he would be the better fit with Barrett and even Ingram.

As for our record last year, it has a lot to do with lack of creator. Outside of Barrett and partially with Shead, we do not have much creator. And some people here (including me) had Mitchell over the injured Quickley last year, and the disagreement mainly on shooting (for Barnes).

As for shooting, it is definitely the easiest to teach, but it has been mixed. Siakam after these years, he is able to shoot pullup 3s, along with Powell, while Achuiwa or Stephen Jackson or Banton or Flynn are not that successful (unsure if this is related to our coaching), Barnes and CMB have yet to proof them. Worst Dick has not gain back his promising protential. Afterall, it is a mix on shooting improvement.

Shooting improvement should also be considered on a case by case basis. Consider Siakam: a forward who started playing basketball later in life. Came up during a time in which shooting was less emphasized (was in college just as the 3pr shooting revolution was taking off). Took 17 total 3pa in college. How many more reps would someone like Shead have had shooting 3’s compared to someone like Siakam when both were coming out of college? I would guess Shead had practiced 3pt shooting at a level that dwarfed Siakam. As such, Siakam had much more untapped potential. That doesn’t even account for the fact that guys like Siakam are very much an anomaly and should not be considered the standard as far as shooting development goes.

If a guy (especially a guard) is coming out of 4 years of college during the 3pt era and still can’t shoot you really have ask why?

Indeed, Siakam is an outlier, however, most guards with advanced handle and rim pressure may not focus on shooting, particularly, advance ball handling (including footwork) requires more time and effort to improve.

As for Davion Mitchell (or some extend on Shead), they were being drafted for their defense and toughness, much like the reason we drafted CMB over Queen.

[YogurtProducer]

Darko says he wants to prioritize defense.......so you have to find guys who play defense if you want to be that team.

We have. Its why we are a top 5 defense. 4th actually as of today.

[YogurtProducer]

I almost wish that Iq would sit out for 4 or 5 games so that all the exagerated critiques would be put into perspective. RJ's image with a subset of this board was completely rehabilitated just by sitting out so that ppl can learn to appreciate what he provides even when he has a bad game stat wise.


Ir's true for Iq...even when he has a poor shooting game.....there's other stuff that happens with his presence. I love Shead but it's predictable that he would end up getting fully hated on in IQ's absence.

I have been thinking the same. It would be interesting to see..

I think the bigger problem would be PG depth rather than Shead starting over IQ.

One thing I do agree with is having the both of them is a good thing. They offset one another's weaknesses so you can adjust based on need/ matchups.

The biggest problem would be teams sagging off Shead like crazy. Teams would just beg him to shoot 10 3's a night and his playmaking would be neutralized. Truth is teams dont gameplan for Shead right now because its a long season and no one really cares what he does.

If Poeltl is out and Mamu is playing the 5 it is not as big of a deal, but the best version of this team is IQ/RJ/Ingram/Barnes/Poeltl.

[MEDIC]

If you could add 3 inches of height to both of these guys, it would be ideal. iQ would have the length and athleticism to play SG. Shead would no longer be undersized at PG.

[Westside Gunn]

No need to pit them against each other, but for the sake of argument, even with salaries being negated, I'd pick Shead. He does a pheonminal job of running the offence, getting guys where they should be, distributing in the flow of the game, and making timely plays. IQ hits some shots. When both are off their game Shead is who I want on the floor. IQ missing shots is... I mean he's a decent shooter and that's about all he brings. A wash on D for me.

I think Shead is also very much still growing into the role and IQ is much closer to what he will be. Having both is nice, but IQ feels far more replaceable. I also don't see the "IQ is clearly more talented". How exactly is that true. He hits more threes?

Scoring PGs like IQ don't grow on trees, and he has a great AST/TO ratio for a player supposedly that is not considered a good PG.

[MEDIC]

No need to pit them against each other, but for the sake of argument, even with salaries being negated, I'd pick Shead. He does a pheonminal job of running the offence, getting guys where they should be, distributing in the flow of the game, and making timely plays. IQ hits some shots. When both are off their game Shead is who I want on the floor. IQ missing shots is... I mean he's a decent shooter and that's about all he brings. A wash on D for me.

I think Shead is also very much still growing into the role and IQ is much closer to what he will be. Having both is nice, but IQ feels far more replaceable. I also don't see the "IQ is clearly more talented". How exactly is that true. He hits more threes?

Scoring PGs like IQ don't grow on trees, and he has a great AST/TO ratio for a player supposedly that is not considered a good PG.

Assist to turnover ratio doesn't mean a lot unless the PG is super dynamic with the ball. I mean, sure you don't want your PG turning the ball over, especially if the are conservative with the ball. Calderon was always praised for his assist to turnover ratio, but the truth was he had very few turnovers because he took very little risk. Perimeter oriented PG's tend to have lower turnovers because driving to the rim = increased risk ot turnovers.

I am sure Calderon's assist to turnover ratio was much better than Derrick Rose, but in no way are you ever going to choose Calderon over a guy like Rose.....who puts a ton of pressure on the rim.

[Blazing_royale]

IQ easy.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

only reason Shead's looking good is because he kinda plays limited minutes and against secondary units. ya i will give him credit he can definitely play above and beyond for a backup point guard. but to start and play starter minutes, i haven't seen that he can do that just yet.

IQ is okay if Barnes and RJ take the play making away from him since he's a shooting guard in a PG body. IQ is obviously more consistent and is a major contributor when he's usually making his shots. his defense has suffered since he's facing lead point guards and the brunt of better offensive lineups than he has seen in the past.

[Los_29]

Shead can’t make those shots. In fact, he can’t make a lot of kinds of shots which is why he is a backup point guard. 2-7 tonight, horrific TS% for the season.

It was a foolish question. There is no debate between the two.

I like Shead, he’s done well coming in as a 2nd rounder. But he’s not a good player yet. Nor is he an average one.

[bluerap23]

People keep emphasizing on pure PG play which is not needed in todays NBA and definitely not needed on this roster with a bunch of playmakers.

I think this is a mistake of characterization.

We definitely don't have a lead guard who is good at initiating team offense. We have some guys who know how to pass around whatever their individual action is, and only one guy who can really create rim pressure. Surely, we don't need a 6' guy to come in and spam PnR all day and try to be the next John Stockton, sure.

But there are other elements missing from this team's O that a proper lead guard WOULD be able to help with. Not necessarily a helio guy, not necessarily a classic table-setter, but someone who makes reliable decisions, is good at controlling team tempo and can put the defense on its heels on a semi-consistent basis with a live dribble.

BI isn't that. He's an iso player who can make basic passes. RJ isn't that. He can play a decent PnR, but he is thriving for us a lot more with off-ball action. Scottie is great in transition and as the screener, but he isn't very good at all at creating advantage with a live dribble above the arc.

Quick has his uses. He has his warts and flaws, to be sure, but he definitely brings value more often than not. And Shead is what he is: a decent bench player who is a horrendous scoring threat at this time. So he isn't really ready for prime time at this point, though he's young and new enough, and on a controlled deal, that we should keep seeing what he can turn into for the remainder of his rookie deal.

I think this is the whole vision they had for IQ as an off the ball shooter. But it would be nice to have a pg capable of getting by his defender to touch the paint and break down the d. I think the last time we had one was tj ford

[Jakay]

No need to pit them against each other, but for the sake of argument, even with salaries being negated, I'd pick Shead. He does a pheonminal job of running the offence, getting guys where they should be, distributing in the flow of the game, and making timely plays. IQ hits some shots. When both are off their game Shead is who I want on the floor. IQ missing shots is... I mean he's a decent shooter and that's about all he brings. A wash on D for me.

I think Shead is also very much still growing into the role and IQ is much closer to what he will be. Having both is nice, but IQ feels far more replaceable. I also don't see the "IQ is clearly more talented". How exactly is that true. He hits more threes?

Scoring PGs like IQ don't grow on trees, and he has a great AST/TO ratio for a player supposedly that is not considered a good PG.

you don't turn the ball over if you never pass. Jason Kidd has one of the worst A/TO ratios of all time for a lead guard. Obviously a bad PG

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No need to pit them against each other, but for the sake of argument, even with salaries being negated, I'd pick Shead. He does a pheonminal job of running the offence, getting guys where they should be, distributing in the flow of the game, and making timely plays. IQ hits some shots. When both are off their game Shead is who I want on the floor. IQ missing shots is... I mean he's a decent shooter and that's about all he brings. A wash on D for me.

I think Shead is also very much still growing into the role and IQ is much closer to what he will be. Having both is nice, but IQ feels far more replaceable. I also don't see the "IQ is clearly more talented". How exactly is that true. He hits more threes?

Scoring PGs like IQ don't grow on trees, and he has a great AST/TO ratio for a player supposedly that is not considered a good PG.

you don't turn the ball over if you never pass. Jason Kidd has one of the worst A/TO ratios of all time for a lead guard. Obviously a bad PG

He does pass though. Over 6 assists a game. And no, Shead doesn’t do a phenomenal job of running the offense. There is simply no debate as to who is better. lol.