Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[GetBuLLish]

You keep calling everyone who disagrees with your opinions a joke.

When people use this opportunity to bring up Rose's SATs (like you have) or say that "This is Dwight territory if not worse (Dwight was always PC in public) and Rose would have done less damage by raping someone like Kobe did" (like ColdFish did), then I will call those opinions jokes.

Irrational overreactions are jokes to me.

By the way, to Coldfish, Ryan, and anyone else arguing that Reggie's statements will hurt recruiting because they paint the FO in a bad light:

Remember how Michael Jordan constantly trashed and humiliated Jerry Krause? Remember how much tension he had with the Bulls FO?

Yes. Remember all those superstars that came to Chicago? Oh, wait, Jordan never got a superstar to come to Chicago to join him like what you guys want. He left an image in Chicago that reportedly made it very difficult for the team to recruit in 2000, even after he left.

Again, you are making my case.

Also, do you remember what Jordan wanted? He hated Kukoc. He didn't want Cartwright. What he wanted was idiotic and if the Bulls had listened to him, they wouldn't have been as good. The Bulls won titles because MJ was the best player in the game and the Bulls drafted very well.

Fair points.

I highly doubt though that at the time MJ said those things about Krause, you would have called him out and said he nuked his image.

And by the way, MJ had his feud with a FO that gave him a top 50 player and another HOF'er. If anyone should be feuding with the FO, it should be Rose, not MJ.

[ryan44]

Media pretty much killing Reggie though, lol.

First Kerr who said "who cares". Then Chuck telling him to shut the hell up and Ernie chiming in with the I agree.

I guess managers should stfu though.

Why it matters to the Bulls is due to the relation that Reggie has to Rose and the degree to which Rose also feels used or disconnected from the FO's effort.

I get that, but t seems that most people are upset about the entire ordeal because of Rose "threatening" to sit out the season if/because a move wasn't to improve the team at the deadline.

Has Derrick not built up enough credibility to at least give him the opportunity to hang himself before we do it ourselves? Or let his brother do it for him?

That's no fun. 99% of the reason for this board is for all of us to pointlessly argue about a litany of things we don't have all the facts for, or that might or might not happen.

[LoveDaBoo]

Well, I do wish Derrick had crushed this. Reggie's comments do count, because he's Derrick's manager. The FO does want, and is trying, to get a second star. There's just not been any opportunity. That's all there is to it. The Bulls players and FO don't deserved to be trashed pulbicly this way.

[BullsGate]

reggie should tell his bro to take a pay cut. then he can talk

besides, if the bulls were winning much more this year they wouldn't even NEED derrick to return

Why don't you take a pay cut?

[MVP Rose]

I just don't understand how DRose can be so against reaching out and "recruiting" others here but then he expects the FO to bring in a superstar like it's nothing. It doesn't work like that.

[ryan44]

No, fans are giving Rose a pass because he didn't make the statements.

You can project whatever you want onto Reggie's statements, but that doesn't make it fact.

In the same vein that posters aren't giving the FO a pass for future inaction because they're projecting the next few offseasons based on their perceptions?

[WinCity]

I look at it like this. Some good can come from this if it causes the Bulls and Rose to have some kind of meeting of minds where Rose is assuaged.

Let's just start from the idea that Rose does share some of Reggie's thoughts, else Reggie probably doesn't say this. If Rose is quietly unhappy that is not a good thing that should go on festering. Him being unhappy, feeling management does not share priority on his goals, and not dealing with it would actually increase the chance that Rose would think about leaving, or simply start playing less inspired, for lack of feeling the management is backing him in the utmost way.

If there is a real issue here, it needs to get put to rest somehow. And if this public outcry from Reggie stems from them already voicing concerns and not having them answered, maybe it can step up the pressure to a resolution. If it can't then things are probably only going to get worse going forward either way.

Thats my take on the outcome as well. If the Bulls listen to Rose all will be well in the end. If they say "shut up and play" then this could get ugly. Since Rose is a very unique talent I expect them to listen and be more willing to spend going forward. Hence way I am happy this finally got said. JR needed this kick in the pants. Fact is I'm sure Gar and Pax would love to have more freedom to spend. But who are they to tell JR what to do? They dont have Rose's juice. Gar and Pax may not care for the execution but ultimately they realize they would benefit from this as well.

[DuckIII]

Rose can say whatever the hell he wants Duck. Sorry if he isn't in the mold of the Paxson golden boys Deng and Hinrich. If Rose wants a superstar next to him, the front office better listen, or they haven't seen what LeBron did not 3 years ago.

My god this misses the point so badly. So many of you are so obsessed with your (at times understandable) anger with the front office that you are completely ignoring that he is a teammate.

Sure, he can say whatever he wants.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

I love it how the guys supporting Reggie are acting like they are just telling the truth. You want the truth? It is a superstar league and there are two of them. The Bulls don't have one. The Bulls have built a team a superstar can win with but Rose isn't that player. Because of that, the Bulls are basically screwed.

Who are the two superstars that you are referencing?

1. Lebron -- He has two #2s on his team (Wade & Bosh)

2. Durant -- He had two #2s & a version of Noah (Ibaka) when he made it to the finals. He currently has Westbrook & Ibaka still.

3. Kobe -- The Lakers had multiple superstars around him during all of his title wins.

4. CP3 -- He has a #2 (Blake)

2012 - Lebron - Miami
2010 - Kobe - LA
2009 - Kobe - LA
2007 - Duncan - SA
2005 - Duncan - SA
2003 - Duncan - SA
2002 - Shaq - LA
2001 - Shaq - LA
2000 - Shaq - LA
1999 - Robinson - SA
1998 - Jordan - Chi
1997 - Jordan - Chi
1996 - Jordan - Chi
1995 - Olajuwon - Hou
1994 - Olajuwon - Hou
1993 - Jordan - Chi
1992 - Jordan - Chi
1991 - Jordan - Chi
1988 - Magic - LA
1987 - Magic - LA
1986 - Larry - Bos
1985 - Magic - LA
1984 - Larry - Bos

In the past 30 years, 23 of the titles were won by guys that were top 2 (maybe top 3) in the NBA. If you want to look at the NBA now, that's Durant and Lebron. If you want to go by "how NBA titles are won" the Bulls are screwed. If they are going to win, its going to have to be with the Detroit style. You know, the one that everyone here says is a fluke?

I'm not sure that I'm correctly interpreting you first post & I want to be fair in my response. The underlined portion is why I quoted you & why I showed the players that are surrounding the (possible) two superstars that you mentioned. I now see that Lebron & KD are the players that you were talking about in your first post.

From the list that you provided & your second post, it seems that we are on the same page. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are both saying that D-Rose needs a legit #2 alongside of him, like all of those mentioned title-winning superstars had. If he doesn't get one, he won't win a title in Chicago.

It's also the same thing that Reggie Rose is saying.

[MAQ]

Why it matters to the Bulls is due to the relation that Reggie has to Rose and the degree to which Rose also feels used or disconnected from the FO's effort.

I get that, but t seems that most people are upset about the entire ordeal because of Rose "threatening" to sit out the season if/because a move wasn't to improve the team at the deadline.

Has Derrick not built up enough credibility to at least give him the opportunity to hang himself before we do it ourselves? Or let his brother do it for him?

That's no fun. 99% of the reason for this board is for all of us to pointlessly argue about a litany of things we don't have all the facts for, or that might or might not happen.

[RedBulls23]

I love it how the guys supporting Reggie are acting like they are just telling the truth. You want the truth? It is a superstar league and there are two of them. The Bulls don't have one. The Bulls have built a team a superstar can win with but Rose isn't that player. Because of that, the Bulls are basically screwed.

I'm sorry, but this is complete horse ****! Not sure if you are still doing your sarcastic funny bit or not, but if not that is just dumb. The people dogging Rose for doing or saying something he actually HASN'T done yet is like convicting a man before he is proven guilty of a crime.

As far what Reggie Rose did, he is wrong in the way he approached it, and what it sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about what players are available. There are better ways to conduct your self and in general he should probably keep his mouth shut because he isn't helping.

Also it's irrelevant on what DRose says to calm the media and crowd in regards to what his brother said because actions speak louder than words. People can, will, and already have twisted words into meaning a 100 different things the past few weeks. The whole "Read between the lines" non sense applies.

Now if DRose decides to sit out the rest of the season that action does make it look more and more like he is in line with his brothers way of thinking. And his actions may be wrong if it's because of the reasons his brother stated. If he plays then not so much. We will have to see how this plays out.

[coldfish]

Fair points.

I highly doubt though that at the time MJ said those things about Krause, you would have called him out and said he nuked his image.

MJ's image was that he was a hyper-competitive dick. Calling out his teammates was actually in character for MJ.

I don't think people can separate this. I'm not saying what Reggie said was factually incorrect. What I'm saying is that Reggie's words were very poorly chosen and bad timing. Unprofessional, childish and unproductive.

Again, look at your MJ examples. MJ didn't have his brother complain publicly. He bitched out teammates right to their faces and I believe he had multiple very angry confrontations with both Krause and Jerry. If that is what Rose wants, go for it.

[Former Roy]

reggie should tell his bro to take a pay cut. then he can talk

besides, if the bulls were winning much more this year they wouldn't even NEED derrick to return

Why don't you take a pay cut?

54 pages & this is the best thing I've read here..

LMAO!

[Shill]

In the same vein that posters aren't giving the FO a pass for the 2014 plan because they're projecting the future based on their perceptions?

I can't speak for others, but I jokingly disparage the 2014 "plan" because there really isn't a plan.

The plan is basically "wait and see", which is understandable because there are no game-changing free agents that are likely to move that year.

[pb-ceo]

derrick you would have had a championship in 2011 if only you had played like one in the playoffs.

[SpinninHouse]

What is Reggie suggesting we should have done? Dwight wasn't willing to come here. Which star was available? Maybe we could have swapped Noah for Harden. OKC wasn't taking anybody else on our team for him. That wouldn't have put us over the top. Our front court wold be a joke.

What options did we have? True, the Hinrich signing was horrible. But we weren't signing anybody for $3M that would put us over the top.

Yes, we need to make a move. But making a dumb trade like Cleveland did to please Lebron or Orlando to please Dwight would have catastrophic long term consequences.

[pb-ceo]

John Paxson just twiittered: Hey Derrick, learn to shoot the ball like Kyrie Irving and then we'll talk okay?

[nitetrain8603]

Well, I do wish Derrick had crushed this. Reggie's comments do count, because he's Derrick's manager. The FO does want, and is trying, to get a second star. There's just not been any opportunity. That's all there is to it. The Bulls players and FO don't deserved to be trashed pulbicly this way.

I don't get why people keep saying this. The Bulls have had chances, but the thing is, the Bulls have been waiting for the perfect situation and the perfect star which will not come. Those players and situations are never available. You have to take risks and that's what's probably bothering Rose & Camp. Dwight was available, the Bulls did have the most available to offer, but didn't because they wanted an extension from Howard. They had a great chance at Melo, but overvalued their assets and didn't want to give up Deng. Now they're satisfied apparently with waiting for Love to come in 2014 and wasting another year or two of Derrick's career.

[Bullflip]

What is Reggie suggesting we should have done? Dwight wasn't willing to come here. Which star was available? Maybe we could have swapped Noah for Harden. OKC wasn't taking anybody else on our team for him. That wouldn't have put us over the top. Our front court wold be a joke.

What options did we have? True, the Hinrich signing was horrible. But we weren't signing anybody for $3M that would put us over the top.

Yes, we need to make a move. But making a dumb trade like Cleveland did to please Lebron or Orlando to please Dwight would have catastrophic long term consequences.

Would have traded Noah for Harden, then kept Asik.

[Rerisen]

In the same vein that posters aren't giving the FO a pass for the 2014 plan because they're projecting the future based on their perceptions?

I can't speak for others, but I jokingly disparage the 2014 "plan" because there really isn't a plan.

The plan is basically "wait and see", which is understandable because there are no game-changing free agents that are likely to move that year.

Yeah... this is probably why they're mad. What is our plan? It's not to get younger, its not to spend huge.