The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[bwgood77]

Hi guys

T'Wolves fan coming in peace. Have a few questions for you.

1. Myself and quite a few Wolves fans are extremely high on Bender and view him as the perfect compliment and final piece of our future starting line up. Assuming the lottery positions stay where they are, what(if anything) would you expect from us to move down 2 places from #3 to #5? Are you firmly against this?

2. How high are you guys on Bogdan Bogdanovic? What(if anything) would you expect or want from the Wolves in exchange for him?

Cheers

I'm not at all certain of Bender's status, or his willingness to come over from Europe next season. BUT, i do know one thing. The suns have no PF on the roster next year as of right now. So, if a.) Bender is the player he's made out to be...b.) the suns are high on him....c.) he wants to play in the nba next season or the year after........then the wolves should look elsewhere.

Also, just as a quick glance at the wolves roster, they dont have a whole lot in trade-able pieces. Its either players they are extremely high on, or a poo-poo platter. Outside of Towns/Lavine/Rubio/Wiggins, there is Shabazz/Dieng.....everything else is, well, easily replaceable.

Dieng is nice for sure....but he's worth more than two draft slots. And making a complicated trade, negates its purpose because the suns have Len/Chandler.

So, when it comes down to it, i suppose there is ONLY one simple trade between the two IF the suns think the guy they want is available at #5

Suns trade:
#3/#28
Wolves trade:
Shabazz/#5

Anything outside of that is more complicated than anyone here should even discuss as possible.

And as far as Bogdan...IMO he's off limits. The risk vs. reward is too much to include him as a throw-in in any potential trade with anybody. The way i see it....IF he's a sticking point when it comes to any trade, nobody will be willing to give up the same value as they see in him potentially returning.

Thanks for the response - I actually just mentioned on our board that I would be willing to include Bazz to move up and I would reluctantly pull the trigger on the trade you mentioned as I do love Shabazz. I agree we are tough trade partners and going forward it looks like we have some exciting match up's in our future. I do think it's unlikely that a trade could work between the two of us so I shall be putting all faith in the lottery that we move up for the first time in franchise history.

I think Hield makes perfect sense for you guys as as sixth man to play a lot of minutes. Are you not one of the worst 3 pt shooting teams in the league? If you had another sniper, I think you'd be good. But I do know LaVine is getting good out there with long range, and even Rubio getting better, but add another shooter and you would be great. I think our 12th or 13th pick for Dieng makes some sense, depending on whatever other moves we made, like if we moved Len. Then with that pick you guys could take the best 4 left (Sabonis, Skal, Rabb, Chriss, Davis) but since we need a 4 so bad, we will likely use our pick on one of those guys anyway, and will stick with Len.

[MathiasPW]

but nothing suggests that he is having a historic rookie campaign by any stretch.

You are hugely misinformed. Bookers campaign, at his age, scoring wise, puts him in company of LeBron, Kobe and other very very few.

So what? if you read my entire post I already pointed that out. I am talking about APBR metrics not just putting up 6 30+ games as a teen. Booker has been steadily decline across all departments with increased usage which is of course to be expected when you are baptized by fire shouldering a heavier load

I could argue with the ambiguity of your "yes but no" posts, but I actually agree with your conclusion that it's too early to tell. I'd put a chance of over 50% that he becomes a top 5 SG in the league though.

[saintEscaton]

You are hugely misinformed. Bookers campaign, at his age, scoring wise, puts him in company of LeBron, Kobe and other very very few.

So what? if you read my entire post I already pointed that out. I am talking about APBR metrics not just putting up 6 30+ games as a teen. Booker has been steadily decline across all departments with increased usage which is of course to be expected when you are baptized by fire shouldering a heavier load

I could argue with the ambiguity of your "yes but no" posts, but I actually agree with your conclusion that it's too early to tell. I'd put a chance of over 50% that he becomes a top 5 SG in the league though.

I fully expect him to eventually become a All-Star at a depleted posiion in the Western confernce. I'm just saying for him to approach Top 10 status he would have to become a Hardenesque offensive dynamo to make up for not being a two-way player which I'm not banking on

[letsgosuns]

Players who I think might be available and I am willing to trade the pick for: Harden, Griffin, George, Butler, and Wall. Players who I would never trade the pick for: Love and Cousins. Players who I cannot believe people are mentioning as stars and I have no interest in: Gallinari and Lopez. Those guys are third tier players. Now obviously the first set of players I mentioned would take more than just the pick. I would offer the pick and the Cleveland pick, and then some combination of either Bledsoe/Knight and another piece but not Booker in a million years.

And this is now the third time I have mentioned this but everyone keeps ignoring it. The Suns themselves traded Marbury in 2004 for absolutely nothing. They dumped him for cap space. He was considered a superstar at the time. He was the face of the franchise. He was averaging 21 pts and 8 ast a game at the time of the trade. It was his third straight year as a Suns player averaging over 20+ pts and 8+ ast. Those are superstar point guard numbers.

Kevin Garnett was traded for a zillion mediocre things and the Timberwolves have been horrible ever since the trade. But then they traded Kevin Love for one thing in Andrew Wiggins. Which is better. The answer is obvious. It is quality versus quantity. That is why a top three pick is worth far more than a plethora of random unproven players and protected picks.

[saintEscaton]

Boogie get slept on too much and his mental issues get overplayed. I would switch him with Blake

[bwgood77]

Players who I think might be available and I am willing to trade the pick for: Harden, Griffin, George, Butler, and Wall. Players who I would never trade the pick for: Love and Cousins. Players who I cannot believe people are mentioning as stars and I have no interest in: Gallinari and Lopez. Those guys are third tier players. Now obviously the first set of players I mentioned would take more than just the pick. I would offer the pick and the Cleveland pick, and then some combination of either Bledsoe/Knight and another piece but not Booker in a million years.

And this is now the third time I have mentioned this but everyone keeps ignoring it. The Suns themselves traded Marbury in 2004 for absolutely nothing. They dumped him for cap space. He was considered a superstar at the time. He was the face of the franchise. He was averaging 21 pts and 8 ast a game at the time of the trade. It was his third straight year as a Suns player averaging over 20+ pts and 8+ ast. Those are superstar point guard numbers.

Kevin Garnett was traded for a zillion mediocre things and the Timberwolves have been horrible ever since the trade. But then they traded Kevin Love for one thing in Andrew Wiggins. Which is better. The answer is obvious. It is quality versus quantity. That is why a top three pick is worth far more than a plethora of random unproven players and protected picks.

Marbury was a third tier player as well. He's not on the level of those guys you name. That list of players you would trade the pick for is absurd. You are living in fantasy land. Wall? George? Harden?

[Damkac]

Jimmy Butler or Paul George won't make a dent against the top two west teams right now anyway....zero reason to deplete our young guys and picks for them even if we could because building organically will build our team the right way and build a TEAM that grew together as a TEAM.

[Chi town]

Bulls fan here. What's Suns fans thoughts on Knight?

Would you take Rose for Knight straight up in a Knight salary dump?

[letsgosuns]

Players who I think might be available and I am willing to trade the pick for: Harden, Griffin, George, Butler, and Wall. Players who I would never trade the pick for: Love and Cousins. Players who I cannot believe people are mentioning as stars and I have no interest in: Gallinari and Lopez. Those guys are third tier players. Now obviously the first set of players I mentioned would take more than just the pick. I would offer the pick and the Cleveland pick, and then some combination of either Bledsoe/Knight and another piece but not Booker in a million years.

And this is now the third time I have mentioned this but everyone keeps ignoring it. The Suns themselves traded Marbury in 2004 for absolutely nothing. They dumped him for cap space. He was considered a superstar at the time. He was the face of the franchise. He was averaging 21 pts and 8 ast a game at the time of the trade. It was his third straight year as a Suns player averaging over 20+ pts and 8+ ast. Those are superstar point guard numbers.

Kevin Garnett was traded for a zillion mediocre things and the Timberwolves have been horrible ever since the trade. But then they traded Kevin Love for one thing in Andrew Wiggins. Which is better. The answer is obvious. It is quality versus quantity. That is why a top three pick is worth far more than a plethora of random unproven players and protected picks.

Marbury was a third tier player as well. He's not on the level of those guys you name. That list of players you would trade the pick for is absurd. You are living in fantasy land. Wall? George? Harden?

No way was Marbury third tier. He was a second tier player. All stars are not third tier players. And if Wall, George, or Harden are so incredible and literally untouchable according to you and other posters, then why the hell are two of their teams currently missing the playoffs and one of them is scratching to be the eighth seed. All three of those guys have good players around them and yet the teams are not good. There is no excuse whatsoever to miss the playoffs. You are seriously overvaluing them. They are all stars but guess what, there are lots of all stars in the league. The only true championship caliber players right now are Curry, Lebron, and Durant. That is it. Those three guys. Everyone else is in the same boat. The Spurs players, Thompson, Westbrook, Harden, Butler, George, whoever else it does not matter. Curry, Lebron, and Durant are better than all of them.

I have asked continuously for one poster to name a trade in NBA history where a team traded a superstar and got back multiple players and/or picks that turned out to also be superstars. It does not happen. When you trade that superstar, it is over. Finished. And a trade like Wiggins for Love is beyond rare and one of the dumbest trades I have ever seen, but it happened because Lebron James demanded it to happen. He runs the team. There might as well be a puppet as the president of the Cavs instead of David Griffin because Lebron is in charge. And like I said before, the trade happened supposedly because Wiggins refused to hire Rich Paul. So they got rid of him. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Anyway, Harden was awesome for the Thunder and was traded for not much. Griffin might get traded in the offseason if the Clippers do not play well in the playoffs. Wall might ask to be off the team. Who knows. If you guys keep putting limits on what you think the Suns can do, you might as well think they are going to suck for 20 more years because you will always say it takes ten top five picks and ten up and coming young players to acquire one all star. I have not seen any evidence that it takes such an enormous hall to acquire a single player in basketball.

[bwgood77]

Players who I think might be available and I am willing to trade the pick for: Harden, Griffin, George, Butler, and Wall. Players who I would never trade the pick for: Love and Cousins. Players who I cannot believe people are mentioning as stars and I have no interest in: Gallinari and Lopez. Those guys are third tier players. Now obviously the first set of players I mentioned would take more than just the pick. I would offer the pick and the Cleveland pick, and then some combination of either Bledsoe/Knight and another piece but not Booker in a million years.

And this is now the third time I have mentioned this but everyone keeps ignoring it. The Suns themselves traded Marbury in 2004 for absolutely nothing. They dumped him for cap space. He was considered a superstar at the time. He was the face of the franchise. He was averaging 21 pts and 8 ast a game at the time of the trade. It was his third straight year as a Suns player averaging over 20+ pts and 8+ ast. Those are superstar point guard numbers.

Kevin Garnett was traded for a zillion mediocre things and the Timberwolves have been horrible ever since the trade. But then they traded Kevin Love for one thing in Andrew Wiggins. Which is better. The answer is obvious. It is quality versus quantity. That is why a top three pick is worth far more than a plethora of random unproven players and protected picks.

Marbury was a third tier player as well. He's not on the level of those guys you name. That list of players you would trade the pick for is absurd. You are living in fantasy land. Wall? George? Harden?

No way was Marbury third tier. He was a second tier player. All stars are not third tier players. And if Wall, George, or Harden are so incredible and literally untouchable according to you and other posters, then why the hell are two of their teams currently missing the playoffs and one of them is scratching to be the eighth seed. All three of those guys have good players around them and yet the teams are not good. There is no excuse whatsoever to miss the playoffs. You are seriously overvaluing them. They are all stars but guess what, there are lots of all stars in the league. The only true championship caliber players right now are Curry, Lebron, and Durant. That is it. Those three guys. Everyone else is in the same boat. The Spurs players, Thompson, Westbrook, Harden, Butler, George, whoever else it does not matter. Curry, Lebron, and Durant are better than all of them.

I have asked continuously for one poster to name a trade in NBA history where a team traded a superstar and got back multiple players and/or picks that turned out to also be superstars. It does not happen. When you trade that superstar, it is over. Finished. And a trade like Wiggins for Love is beyond rare and one of the dumbest trades I have ever seen, but it happened because Lebron James demanded it to happen. He runs the team. There might as well be a puppet as the president of the Cavs instead of David Griffin because Lebron is in charge. And like I said before, the trade happened supposedly because Wiggins refused to hire Rich Paul. So they got rid of him. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Anyway, Harden was awesome for the Thunder and was traded for not much. Griffin might get traded in the offseason if the Clippers do not play well in the playoffs. Wall might ask to be off the team. Who knows. If you guys keep putting limits on what you think the Suns can do, you might as well think they are going to suck for 20 more years because you will always say it takes ten top five picks and ten up and coming young players to acquire one all star. I have not seen any evidence that it takes such an enormous hall to acquire a single player in basketball.

Harden had a down year, George was coming of a MAJOR injury and really doesn't have that much talent around him, but you can bet your ass Bird won''t trade him for a pu pu platter. I don't know where you guys get this Wall being available stuff? Try posting that nonsense on the Wizards board. They missed the playoffs one year. He is a top 4 pg and is their cornerstone. If anything, they would try to deal some of their vets. They already have young players. They JUST traded their lotto pick for Markieff to try and compete sooner, not later. They are not suddenly going to turn around and trade their superstar for the #5 pick. That's just ludicrous. Man alive.

Kobe missed the playoffs one year. The Lakers were not going to trade him because of that. Now maybe a guy like Howard gets traded. There is one I will give you.

You are thinking with tunnel vision and never from the other team's perspective.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Most likely scenario for me is Murray or trade, based on McDonough's methodology.

[nevetsov]

Bulls fan here. What's Suns fans thoughts on Knight?

Would you take Rose for Knight straight up in a Knight salary dump?

I would, but only because one of Bled/ Rose always seems to be injured. Between them, I'm hoping we could cobble together a jobshare starting point guard, at least.

That, and I don't think BK has a role on this team any more. He'd be a good off ball starting point next to a ball dominating wing like Butler.

[bwgood77]

Bulls fan here. What's Suns fans thoughts on Knight?

Would you take Rose for Knight straight up in a Knight salary dump?

I would, but only because one of Bled/ Rose always seems to be injured. Between them, I'm hoping we could cobble together a jobshare starting point guard, at least.

That, and I don't think BK has a role on this team any more. He'd be a good off ball starting point next to a ball dominating wing like Butler.

I don't think our GM would. Maybe if you threw in a late lotto pick or something, or even a future one, but he seems to like Knight a lot and gave up a pretty good asset to get him. I don't think his contract will look that terrible in two years if he turns into a premier 6th man type that can put points up in a hurry.

[letsgosuns]

I never said Wall was available. Re-read my posts. I said maybe he asks for a trade. Who knows. I am 100% speculating. I also never said George was available either. I said I would trade for George. And I always look at it from the other team's perspective every time. Like the Pacers. How good is that team ever going to be with George. Can they attract any free agents. Have they already maxed out. If they think they cannot get any better and/or cannot sign a free agent, maybe they want to rebuild. So if the Suns call up and say we will give you two 2016 lottery picks plus Knight or Bledsoe and maybe another player or whatever, you think they would turn that down? We are talking about a top 5 pick and another potential late lottery pick, plus a player that can help immediately, and maybe even more. That offer is fantastic for any player in the league.

Let's put into perspective this hypothetical trade offer for a superstar:
A top five pick
A pick in the 12-13 range
Eric Bledsoe
another filler or maybe another future pick (not the Miami picks)

Tough to beat a package like that. Something like that rebuilds a team overnight. Most people on here argue that Bledsoe was playing like an all star prior to his injury this season so these are quality assets the Suns have.

[TeamTragic]

I never said Wall was available. Re-read my posts. I said maybe he asks for a trade. Who knows. I am 100% speculating. I also never said George was available either. I said I would trade for George. And I always look at it from the other team's perspective every time. Like the Pacers. How good is that team ever going to be with George. Can they attract any free agents. Have they already maxed out. If they think they cannot get any better and/or cannot sign a free agent, maybe they want to rebuild. So if the Suns call up and say we will give you two 2016 lottery picks plus Knight or Bledsoe and maybe another player or whatever, you think they would turn that down? We are talking about a top 5 pick and another potential late lottery pick, plus a player that can help immediately, and maybe even more. That offer is fantastic for any player in the league.

Let's put into perspective this hypothetical trade offer for a superstar:
A top five pick
A pick in the 12-13 range
Eric Bledsoe
another filler or maybe another future pick (not the Miami picks)

Tough to beat a package like that. Something like that rebuilds a team overnight. Most people on here argue that Bledsoe was playing like an all star prior to his injury this season so these are quality assets the Suns have.

Right. Followed by becoming the Knicks equivalent with Melo and ZERO **** talent except our Porzingis (Bogdanovic). Just kidding we will also have Booker.

[letsgosuns]

I never said Wall was available. Re-read my posts. I said maybe he asks for a trade. Who knows. I am 100% speculating. I also never said George was available either. I said I would trade for George. And I always look at it from the other team's perspective every time. Like the Pacers. How good is that team ever going to be with George. Can they attract any free agents. Have they already maxed out. If they think they cannot get any better and/or cannot sign a free agent, maybe they want to rebuild. So if the Suns call up and say we will give you two 2016 lottery picks plus Knight or Bledsoe and maybe another player or whatever, you think they would turn that down? We are talking about a top 5 pick and another potential late lottery pick, plus a player that can help immediately, and maybe even more. That offer is fantastic for any player in the league.

Let's put into perspective this hypothetical trade offer for a superstar:
A top five pick
A pick in the 12-13 range
Eric Bledsoe
another filler or maybe another future pick (not the Miami picks)

Tough to beat a package like that. Something like that rebuilds a team overnight. Most people on here argue that Bledsoe was playing like an all star prior to his injury this season so these are quality assets the Suns have.

Right. Followed by becoming the Knicks equivalent with Melo and ZERO **** talent except our Porzingis (Bogdanovic). Just kidding we will also have Booker

I am not even sure what you are trying to say haha.

[TeamTragic]

I never said Wall was available. Re-read my posts. I said maybe he asks for a trade. Who knows. I am 100% speculating. I also never said George was available either. I said I would trade for George. And I always look at it from the other team's perspective every time. Like the Pacers. How good is that team ever going to be with George. Can they attract any free agents. Have they already maxed out. If they think they cannot get any better and/or cannot sign a free agent, maybe they want to rebuild. So if the Suns call up and say we will give you two 2016 lottery picks plus Knight or Bledsoe and maybe another player or whatever, you think they would turn that down? We are talking about a top 5 pick and another potential late lottery pick, plus a player that can help immediately, and maybe even more. That offer is fantastic for any player in the league.

Let's put into perspective this hypothetical trade offer for a superstar:
A top five pick
A pick in the 12-13 range
Eric Bledsoe
another filler or maybe another future pick (not the Miami picks)

Tough to beat a package like that. Something like that rebuilds a team overnight. Most people on here argue that Bledsoe was playing like an all star prior to his injury this season so these are quality assets the Suns have.

Right. Followed by becoming the Knicks equivalent with Melo and ZERO **** talent except our Porzingis (Bogdanovic). Just kidding we will also have Booker

I am not even sure what you are trying to say haha.

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[letsgosuns]

Right. Followed by becoming the Knicks equivalent with Melo and ZERO **** talent except our Porzingis (Bogdanovic). Just kidding we will also have Booker

I am not even sure what you are trying to say haha.

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Well honestly I thought the package I mentioned was giving up way too much but apparently some of the posters on this board think it would take these insane packages to get just one all star in return so I have to have some sort of balance in my proposals.

[Weemsickew14]

How about the idea of Marcus Smart to pair with Booker. Gives us a lockdown defender. Best case Scenario:
Trade Back in draft with nuggets and draft Sabonis, Luwawu and B. Johnson
Re-sign Mirza
Trade for Smart
Trade Knight
Bled/Smart/Price
Booker/Jenkins/Goodwin
TJ/PJ/Luwawu
Sabonis/Mirza/B. Johnson
Len/Chandler

[bwgood77]

I never said Wall was available. Re-read my posts. I said maybe he asks for a trade. Who knows. I am 100% speculating. I also never said George was available either. I said I would trade for George. And I always look at it from the other team's perspective every time. Like the Pacers. How good is that team ever going to be with George. Can they attract any free agents. Have they already maxed out. If they think they cannot get any better and/or cannot sign a free agent, maybe they want to rebuild. So if the Suns call up and say we will give you two 2016 lottery picks plus Knight or Bledsoe and maybe another player or whatever, you think they would turn that down? We are talking about a top 5 pick and another potential late lottery pick, plus a player that can help immediately, and maybe even more. That offer is fantastic for any player in the league.

Let's put into perspective this hypothetical trade offer for a superstar:
A top five pick
A pick in the 12-13 range
Eric Bledsoe
another filler or maybe another future pick (not the Miami picks)

Tough to beat a package like that. Something like that rebuilds a team overnight. Most people on here argue that Bledsoe was playing like an all star prior to his injury this season so these are quality assets the Suns have.

I'd trade for those guys too. If your proposed trade package rebuilds a team instantly, why doesn't it rebuild ours? But to equate with your thinking, yes, we should trade for Wall, Westbrook, or LeBron. It doesn't look like OKC can go anywhere so they might as well trade Westbrook. The Cavs can't win the finals so they might as well trade LeBron. This is a slight exaggeration of what you sound like.