2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

[Johnny Firpo]

Im joking ofc, i watched the match and i saw everything you said but thats the things that win this award, to be clear im not supporting that style of game, im just tryin to tell that numbers win mvp award, cheeerz

You have a point, I don't deny it. Numbers are definitely important, but history also tells us that the numbers right side to a team's name are also crucial. I guess no one really knows what would happen if Westbrook would average a triple double for the season, but the team would end up being 5th or 6th... Precedent says he wouldn't win, but then again, how big of an impact that triple double would have? That is the question, and I don't think we know it at this point, but as the season goes by, we will figure it out from the narrative. The narrative is very accurate when it comes to these things. If the vast majority of the media personalities say that Westbrook is the MVP, he will probably win it.

[Cookin33]

So we agree bro, ofc that the numbers dont win all the time, and its too early for this, maybe he gonna have bad form next month and harden will be contender numb 1, no one knows whats gonna happen

[mtron929]

Pretty much the Westbrook triple double is a big sham. This guy just sags off of his man, do not play defense, and completely just goes for defensive rebounds to get his rebound total up. Because everyone is praising his feat of triple double, he will continue to play selfish basketball to get his stats.

[Ballerhogger]

Just between harden and Westbrook. I'll give harden a slight edge over Westbrook for beating GSW. ug.

[Ballerhogger]

Durant is a distance 3rd for the last top 3.
Harden
Brook
KD

[Patches Perry]

Westbrook would win if it was voted today. The triple double is just such a strong advantage in his favor, even if it shouldn't be. They are on pace to win 50 games too, so it's not like his team sucks. Harden is right there also, but he doesn't have the novelty of the triple double in his favor, even though his numbers are about as good and his team is about the same.

Durant is having a great season, but they won 73 without him. I'm not sure how valuable you can prove to be given that fact. If he were to go down, Curry and Klay could pick up his scoring fairly easily.

Honestly, I know everyone hates the guy, and I do too, but Draymond Green is the guy who should get MVP consideration from the Warriors. If they're the best team in the league, and he is the most valuable player on the team (ie the player they could least afford to lose), then why not? He is leading them in assists and rebounds, he is their defensive quarterback and primary offensive playmaker. He is also their leader in the vocal sense of being the coach on the court and being willing to get into guys for mistakes. Durant, Curry and Klay are soft-spoken and generally non-confrontational laid back dudes. Green is the fire. They could lose any one of Curry, Durant or Klay and the other 2 could pick up the slack. Nobody can pick up Green's slack.

[CptCrunch]

Westbrook would win if it was voted today. The triple double is just such a strong advantage in his favor, even if it shouldn't be. They are on pace to win 50 games too, so it's not like his team sucks. Harden is right there also, but he doesn't have the novelty of the triple double in his favor, even though his numbers are about as good and his team is about the same.

Durant is having a great season, but they won 73 without him. I'm not sure how valuable you can prove to be given that fact. If he were to go down, Curry and Klay could pick up his scoring fairly easily.

Honestly, I know everyone hates the guy, and I do too, but Draymond Green is the guy who should get MVP consideration from the Warriors. If they're the best team in the league, and he is the most valuable player on the team (ie the player they could least afford to lose), then why not? He is leading them in assists and rebounds, he is their defensive quarterback and primary offensive playmaker. He is also their leader in the vocal sense of being the coach on the court and being willing to get into guys for mistakes. Durant, Curry and Klay are soft-spoken and generally non-confrontational laid back dudes. Green is the fire. They could lose any one of Curry, Durant or Klay and the other 2 could pick up the slack. Nobody can pick up Green's slack.

Harden's 28/12/8 on 60.1% TS is way more impressive than Westbrook's 31/11/11 on 53.8% TS. A 6% difference in shooting is an astronomical difference in efficiency.

Harden is actually a better rebounder than Westbrook with 11.7% rebound rate compared to Westbrook's 10.3%. If Harden's teammates clear out and let him grab a few more rebounds a game like the system OKC run, Harden would be averaging a triple double too.

edit: Harden is not a 'better' rebounder. See below.

[MisterHibachi]

Westbrook would win if it was voted today. The triple double is just such a strong advantage in his favor, even if it shouldn't be. They are on pace to win 50 games too, so it's not like his team sucks. Harden is right there also, but he doesn't have the novelty of the triple double in his favor, even though his numbers are about as good and his team is about the same.

Durant is having a great season, but they won 73 without him. I'm not sure how valuable you can prove to be given that fact. If he were to go down, Curry and Klay could pick up his scoring fairly easily.

Honestly, I know everyone hates the guy, and I do too, but Draymond Green is the guy who should get MVP consideration from the Warriors. If they're the best team in the league, and he is the most valuable player on the team (ie the player they could least afford to lose), then why not? He is leading them in assists and rebounds, he is their defensive quarterback and primary offensive playmaker. He is also their leader in the vocal sense of being the coach on the court and being willing to get into guys for mistakes. Durant, Curry and Klay are soft-spoken and generally non-confrontational laid back dudes. Green is the fire. They could lose any one of Curry, Durant or Klay and the other 2 could pick up the slack. Nobody can pick up Green's slack.

Harden's 28/12/8 on 60.1% TS is way more impressive than Westbrook's 31/11/11 on 53.8% TS. A 6% difference in shooting is an astronomical difference in efficiency.

Harden is actually a better rebounder than Westbrook with 11.7% rebound rate compared to Westbrook's 10.3%. If Harden's teammates clear out and let him grab a few more rebounds a game like the system OKC run, Harden would be averaging a triple double too.

Where are you getting the 10.3% number for Westbrook?

[Patches Perry]

Westbrook would win if it was voted today. The triple double is just such a strong advantage in his favor, even if it shouldn't be. They are on pace to win 50 games too, so it's not like his team sucks. Harden is right there also, but he doesn't have the novelty of the triple double in his favor, even though his numbers are about as good and his team is about the same.

Durant is having a great season, but they won 73 without him. I'm not sure how valuable you can prove to be given that fact. If he were to go down, Curry and Klay could pick up his scoring fairly easily.

Honestly, I know everyone hates the guy, and I do too, but Draymond Green is the guy who should get MVP consideration from the Warriors. If they're the best team in the league, and he is the most valuable player on the team (ie the player they could least afford to lose), then why not? He is leading them in assists and rebounds, he is their defensive quarterback and primary offensive playmaker. He is also their leader in the vocal sense of being the coach on the court and being willing to get into guys for mistakes. Durant, Curry and Klay are soft-spoken and generally non-confrontational laid back dudes. Green is the fire. They could lose any one of Curry, Durant or Klay and the other 2 could pick up the slack. Nobody can pick up Green's slack.

Harden's 28/12/8 on 60.1% TS is way more impressive than Westbrook's 31/11/11 on 53.8% TS. A 6% difference in shooting is an astronomical difference in efficiency.

Harden is actually a better rebounder than Westbrook with 11.7% rebound rate compared to Westbrook's 10.3%. If Harden's teammates clear out and let him grab a few more rebounds a game like the system OKC run, Harden would be averaging a triple double too.

As stated above, where did you get the 10.3%? I'm seeing Westbrook at 16.6% to Harden's 11.7%. While we're on the topic, Westbrook has an assist rate of 57.8% to Harden's 52.3%. Yes, Harden is a better more efficient scorer, but not by a huge margin, and Westbrook is better at pretty much everything else, but not by a huge margin. I think they're pretty equal at this point.

[CptCrunch]

Westbrook would win if it was voted today. The triple double is just such a strong advantage in his favor, even if it shouldn't be. They are on pace to win 50 games too, so it's not like his team sucks. Harden is right there also, but he doesn't have the novelty of the triple double in his favor, even though his numbers are about as good and his team is about the same.

Durant is having a great season, but they won 73 without him. I'm not sure how valuable you can prove to be given that fact. If he were to go down, Curry and Klay could pick up his scoring fairly easily.

Honestly, I know everyone hates the guy, and I do too, but Draymond Green is the guy who should get MVP consideration from the Warriors. If they're the best team in the league, and he is the most valuable player on the team (ie the player they could least afford to lose), then why not? He is leading them in assists and rebounds, he is their defensive quarterback and primary offensive playmaker. He is also their leader in the vocal sense of being the coach on the court and being willing to get into guys for mistakes. Durant, Curry and Klay are soft-spoken and generally non-confrontational laid back dudes. Green is the fire. They could lose any one of Curry, Durant or Klay and the other 2 could pick up the slack. Nobody can pick up Green's slack.

Harden's 28/12/8 on 60.1% TS is way more impressive than Westbrook's 31/11/11 on 53.8% TS. A 6% difference in shooting is an astronomical difference in efficiency.

Harden is actually a better rebounder than Westbrook with 11.7% rebound rate compared to Westbrook's 10.3%. If Harden's teammates clear out and let him grab a few more rebounds a game like the system OKC run, Harden would be averaging a triple double too.

Where are you getting the 10.3% number for Westbrook?

Oops complete misread the numbers somehow. Should be 16.6% TRB% and 25.6% DRB%.

Tell me what's wrong with this list: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_active=Y&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=2017&year_max=2017&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&force%3Apos_is=1&qual=mp_per_g_req&c1stat=drb_pct&c1comp=gt&c1val=25&c6mult=1.0&order_by=drb_pct

Westbrook is the GOAT NBA rebounder or he is stat padding/OKC system helps him to stat pad rebounds.

[Patches Perry]

If you can watch James Harden and Russell Westbrook play basketball and think they're at all comparable as rebounders, then there is no convincing you. Westbrook is out there skying above 7 footers to get rebounds, while people here imply that somehow OKC bigs are clearing the lane for Westbrook to scoop the ball off the ground. Westbrook is a fighter, incredibly strong, freak athlete and has great timing. He is grabbing boards above the rim. Harden just doesn't have it in him to rebound like that.

[Bergmaniac]

If Harden's teammates clear out and let him grab a few more rebounds a game like the system OKC run, Harden would be averaging a triple double too.

From what I've seen of Houston this season, they already do that quite a bit, especially when Nene is on the court. And there is nothing wrong with it, it's a legitimate strategy.

[bondom34]

If he's stat padding so much it would hurt his team. Which is rather amazing since they rebound better when he's on court than off by what was at last check a significant margin.

[nbafan38]

IMO it's westbrook OR Harden, whichever team finishes higher in the standings. I respect players who carry teams not players who join them. I also think its important for the league to give it to a player not on a team that isn't amazing to slow down the formation of superteams.

[lilswift01]

Westbrook fights hard for his rebounds, especially the offensive ones.

[nbafan38]

Durant is a distance 3rd for the last top 3.
Harden
Brook
KD

Amazing to think that all 3 of them were on the same team once upon a time.

[Ballerhogger]

Durant is a distance 3rd for the last top 3.
Harden
Brook
KD

Amazing to think that all 3 of them were on the same team once upon a time.

Good job presti and ownership...

[nbafan38]

Durant is a distance 3rd for the last top 3.
Harden
Brook
KD

Amazing to think that all 3 of them were on the same team once upon a time.

Good job presti and ownership...

I dont blame Presti and ownership for Durant but the Harden trade will probably go down as the worst trade of the decade.

[K_chile22]

If he's stat padding so much it would hurt his team. Which is rather amazing since they rebound better when he's on court than off by what was at last check a significant margin.

The way he hunts for rebounds does sometimes hurt their defense, but he at least makes for it offensively because when he gets a rebound it's almost always a fastbreak, which is huge for a team with such little shooting so I really have no problem with guys like he and Harden (who does the same thing to an extent) doing it because getting out on the open floor with those two is huge

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[bondom34]

If he's stat padding so much it would hurt his team. Which is rather amazing since they rebound better when he's on court than off by what was at last check a significant margin.

The way he hunts for rebounds does sometimes hurt their defense, but he at least makes for it offensively because when he gets a rebound it's almost always a fastbreak, which is huge for a team with such little shooting so I really have no problem with guys like he and Harden (who does the same thing to an extent) doing it because getting out on the open floor with those two is huge

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Except the defense is massively better with him on court too, so this argument doesn't hold up very well either.