Official Speculation Thread 2016 Volume VII - Defense Wins Championships

[VFX]

What does everyone think KCP is worth? He seems like a player Vogel would love. He is a defensive wing who can shoot and pass the ball. He is looking to cash out this off season.

I think KCP has the ideal skill set for a 2 in the league right now. However, he is extremely inconsistent. He will have a string of great games and disappears for another 2-4 games.

[BadMofoPimp]

I bet many teams are feeling lucky now that they didn't spend Max on acquiring Biz.

Uh yeah.. Although we didn't max him out we totally fell for his playoff performance. I don't mind him being here but imo it was a bit of an over pay.

i knew a team was going to jump on him for 1 playoff series and hoped it wasnt us. But if so, i was hoping we would get him reasonably. My hopes were dashed on both accounts

That is exactly how I felt since day one when people around here started talking about signing him. I just didn't want to be the team to sign the next Kwame. Obviously, Biz is better than Kwame, but you get the idea. Glad to have him, but he shouldn't make more than $8-12 mil per. There are reasons why Charlotte let Biz walk for only $5 mil per.

[BadMofoPimp]

What does everyone think KCP is worth? He seems like a player Vogel would love. He is a defensive wing who can shoot and pass the ball. He is looking to cash out this off season.

Dude is legit. SVG raves about him and I am pretty certain KCP is his favorite player on that team. Their owner has publicly stated they are willing to pay luxury tax to retain him. Not sure if that is just words or not.

[p0peye]

Uh yeah.. Although we didn't max him out we totally fell for his playoff performance. I don't mind him being here but imo it was a bit of an over pay.

i knew a team was going to jump on him for 1 playoff series and hoped it wasnt us. But if so, i was hoping we would get him reasonably. My hopes were dashed on both accounts

That is exactly how I felt since day one when people around here started talking about signing him. I just didn't want to be the team to sign the next Kwame. Obviously, Biz is better than Kwame, but you get the idea. Glad to have him, but he shouldn't make more than $8-12 mil per. There are reasons why Charlotte let Biz walk for only $5 mil per.

Jerome James contract, I said.

[VFX]

Uh yeah.. Although we didn't max him out we totally fell for his playoff performance. I don't mind him being here but imo it was a bit of an over pay.

i knew a team was going to jump on him for 1 playoff series and hoped it wasnt us. But if so, i was hoping we would get him reasonably. My hopes were dashed on both accounts

That is exactly how I felt since day one when people around here started talking about signing him. I just didn't want to be the team to sign the next Kwame. Obviously, Biz is better than Kwame, but you get the idea. Glad to have him, but he shouldn't make more than $8-12 mil per. There are reasons why Charlotte let Biz walk for only $5 mil per.

Frank Vogel led teams are notorious for their paint defense and I'm going to assume Vuc is probably gone (as reports are indicating). Signing Biz and resigning Ibaka solidify that. I don't think signing Biz was an overpay based off of that alone. The guy plays very hard and does exactly what we paid him for. Let's also not forget that everyone is going to get paid soon.

[OrlandoDream]

What does everyone think KCP is worth? He seems like a player Vogel would love. He is a defensive wing who can shoot and pass the ball. He is looking to cash out this off season.

Dude is legit. SVG raves about him and I am pretty certain KCP is his favorite player on that team. Their owner has publicly stated they are willing to pay luxury tax to retain him. Not sure if that is just words or not.

I think every GM says that when a big player his the market. Rob was saying the same thing about Fournier before he hit FA.

KCP is a big piece and has the potential to be one of the best two way players. Piston wont let him walk easy but you know there are teams that are willing to overpay. Pistons already have one of the league's highest payroll so they are gonna need to move some pieces.

[woosah]

Has Windbag ever been accurate about anything outside of Lebron news? Serious question. I know we said we want to upgrade but we are a young team and are always listening to deals. Down on Payton. pft.

[j-ragg]

I don't think he knows much about what Rob is doing. No one has really ever predicted one of his moves. I think they're just saying what they think would make sense, because Vuc and Payton got benched.

[PrimeThyme]

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/12/could-it-be-magic-if-cousins-goes-on-block.html

The Magic could emerge as the best trading partner if the Kings ever get serious about moving DeMarcus Cousins, Chris Mannix of The Vertical speculates in his latest column.

The Kings have shown no inclination to trading Cousins, particularly since they’re in the running for a playoff spot, as Mannix emphasizes. If that dynamic changes, Orlando has enough young pieces and expendables bigs to make an attractive offer for Cousins, Mannix continues. A package that includes Aaron Gordon and Nikola Vucevic would hold some appeal to Sacramento and give the Magic a clearcut franchise player to build around, in Mannix’s view.

Orlando’s glut of power forwards and centers has left Mario Hezonja, the fifth overall pick in 2015, scrounging for minutes despite a lack of floor spacers, Mannix adds. Hezonja would benefit from Orlando paring some frontcourt players.

[Gomagic44]

Why not. I'm supposed to be entertained, yeah?


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[Furinkazan]

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/12/could-it-be-magic-if-cousins-goes-on-block.html

The Magic could emerge as the best trading partner if the Kings ever get serious about moving DeMarcus Cousins, Chris Mannix of The Vertical speculates in his latest column.

The Kings have shown no inclination to trading Cousins, particularly since they’re in the running for a playoff spot, as Mannix emphasizes. If that dynamic changes, Orlando has enough young pieces and expendables bigs to make an attractive offer for Cousins, Mannix continues. A package that includes Aaron Gordon and Nikola Vucevic would hold some appeal to Sacramento and give the Magic a clearcut franchise player to build around, in Mannix’s view.

Orlando’s glut of power forwards and centers has left Mario Hezonja, the fifth overall pick in 2015, scrounging for minutes despite a lack of floor spacers, Mannix adds. Hezonja would benefit from Orlando paring some frontcourt players.

I belive Mario would have to be included in the deal.Mario lost value around the league but I guess nobody knows this guy better than
Divac and Stojakovic ..and If they still belive in him I think he would certainly be included.

aside of that I still think its a bs...
Sacto had a nice string of Wins lately and they are in the mix of playoffs
also I cant see us trading for a troublemaker.

[npiper17]

The Kings are in a real quandary when it comes to Cousins.

They're obviously competing for a low playoff spot so I don't see why they would trade him this season. But by delaying they reduce his trade value with each passing day because he's an unrestricted FA in 2018. I think the days of Boston giving up their bevy of picks plus young guys for him have already passed but with a season and two thirds left, he would still bring back a good return.

If I was them I'd ride it out with Cousins - they've gone this far and if he walks in 2018 then you can rebuild anyway.

[Blue_and_Whte]

i knew a team was going to jump on him for 1 playoff series and hoped it wasnt us. But if so, i was hoping we would get him reasonably. My hopes were dashed on both accounts

That is exactly how I felt since day one when people around here started talking about signing him. I just didn't want to be the team to sign the next Kwame. Obviously, Biz is better than Kwame, but you get the idea. Glad to have him, but he shouldn't make more than $8-12 mil per. There are reasons why Charlotte let Biz walk for only $5 mil per.

Frank Vogel led teams are notorious for their paint defense and I'm going to assume Vuc is probably gone (as reports are indicating). Signing Biz and resigning Ibaka solidify that. I don't think signing Biz was an overpay based off of that alone. The guy plays very hard and does exactly what we paid him for. Let's also not forget that everyone is going to get paid soon.

That reasoning wouldn't make any sense since he's been one of our better post defenders.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/12/could-it-be-magic-if-cousins-goes-on-block.html

The Magic could emerge as the best trading partner if the Kings ever get serious about moving DeMarcus Cousins, Chris Mannix of The Vertical speculates in his latest column.

The Kings have shown no inclination to trading Cousins, particularly since they’re in the running for a playoff spot, as Mannix emphasizes. If that dynamic changes, Orlando has enough young pieces and expendables bigs to make an attractive offer for Cousins, Mannix continues. A package that includes Aaron Gordon and Nikola Vucevic would hold some appeal to Sacramento and give the Magic a clearcut franchise player to build around, in Mannix’s view.

Orlando’s glut of power forwards and centers has left Mario Hezonja, the fifth overall pick in 2015, scrounging for minutes despite a lack of floor spacers, Mannix adds. Hezonja would benefit from Orlando paring some frontcourt players.

We do have a few guys that can play PF but I don't see this glut of centers people keep talking about.

Someone please point out the supposed glut:

C: Biz/Vuc

[Def Swami]

The Magic's interest in Cousins is legitimate and they have good reason for it. Seems like our name has been linked to Cousins a bit now over the last couple seasons in some media reports.

However, don't think the Kings are going to do it so long as they remain in the playoff hunt. And I wouldn't blame them if they just rode it out with him. The new CBA really puts the ball in their court; Cousins will never make as much money with any other team. And with the new arena, they have to fill seats.


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[RickB-Orlando]

The Kings are in a real quandary when it comes to Cousins.

They're obviously competing for a low playoff spot so I don't see why they would trade him this season. But by delaying they reduce his trade value with each passing day because he's an unrestricted FA in 2018. I think the days of Boston giving up their bevy of picks plus young guys for him have already past but with a season and two thirds left, he would still bring back a good return.

If I was them I'd ride it out with Cousins - they've gone this far and if he walks in 2018 then you can rebuild anyway.

Not only does the continuing contract situation lower his value - reminder of the D12 situation - the simple fact that he is always at risk of imploding in some way also puts them at risk. The real question for other teams is not would you want his talent - obviously just about everyone would - it's can he clean up his act, or is he one personal explosion away from becoming a real problem?

[RickB-Orlando]

The Magic's interest in Cousins is legitimate and they have good reason for it. Seems like our name has been linked to Cousins a bit now over the last couple seasons in some media reports.

However, don't think the Kings are going to do it so long as they remain in the playoff hunt. And I wouldn't blame them if they just rode it out with him. The new CBA really puts the ball in their court; Cousins will never make as much money with any other team. And with the new arena, they have to fill seats.


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Don't be hating on Vooch. Are you trying to imply that he doesn't draw in the crowds?

[yoyojw17]

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/12/could-it-be-magic-if-cousins-goes-on-block.html

The Magic could emerge as the best trading partner if the Kings ever get serious about moving DeMarcus Cousins, Chris Mannix of The Vertical speculates in his latest column.

The Kings have shown no inclination to trading Cousins, particularly since they’re in the running for a playoff spot, as Mannix emphasizes. If that dynamic changes, Orlando has enough young pieces and expendables bigs to make an attractive offer for Cousins, Mannix continues. A package that includes Aaron Gordon and Nikola Vucevic would hold some appeal to Sacramento and give the Magic a clearcut franchise player to build around, in Mannix’s view.

Orlando’s glut of power forwards and centers has left Mario Hezonja, the fifth overall pick in 2015, scrounging for minutes despite a lack of floor spacers, Mannix adds. Hezonja would benefit from Orlando paring some frontcourt players.

Not the biggest fan of Demarcus Cousins..... Attitude is straigh caca.... buuuuuuut.... his talent is undeniable. And if a package of Vooch and and Gordon is all that it takes.... i might have to consider it.

[Magic_Johnny12]

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/12/could-it-be-magic-if-cousins-goes-on-block.html

The Magic could emerge as the best trading partner if the Kings ever get serious about moving DeMarcus Cousins, Chris Mannix of The Vertical speculates in his latest column.

The Kings have shown no inclination to trading Cousins, particularly since they’re in the running for a playoff spot, as Mannix emphasizes. If that dynamic changes, Orlando has enough young pieces and expendables bigs to make an attractive offer for Cousins, Mannix continues. A package that includes Aaron Gordon and Nikola Vucevic would hold some appeal to Sacramento and give the Magic a clearcut franchise player to build around, in Mannix’s view.

Orlando’s glut of power forwards and centers has left Mario Hezonja, the fifth overall pick in 2015, scrounging for minutes despite a lack of floor spacers, Mannix adds. Hezonja would benefit from Orlando paring some frontcourt players.

Well it's from a reputable source and we have been linked to Cousins for quite some time so the speculation holds some value.

If we can get Cousins with a package centered around Vucevic & Gordon and a "future" low protected 1st you pull the trigger and don't look back. A risky move indeed, but if we retain Ibaka this off season and with the new CBA in affect we could have a potent all- star caliber front court for years to come.

[Nemesis21]

The Magic's interest in Cousins is legitimate and they have good reason for it. Seems like our name has been linked to Cousins a bit now over the last couple seasons in some media reports.

However, don't think the Kings are going to do it so long as they remain in the playoff hunt. And I wouldn't blame them if they just rode it out with him. The new CBA really puts the ball in their court; Cousins will never make as much money with any other team. And with the new arena, they have to fill seats.


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If we trade for Cousins, I'm not sure that I can cheer for the Magic anymore.

[Audi]

It's probably just me, but I get the feeling that if Cousins gets a serious change of scenery and it's in a proper environment, his attitude will improve. I think Orlando is just one of those types of franchises and places. I could see things working out here without him being much of a liability.

No idea if it'd actually happen or not, but I'd definitely jump on it if the opportunity arose.