Wendell Carter Jr - The Block Panther Edition

[Stratmaster]

I think he's going to be really good. Good pick IMO.

Agreed. Certainly not superstar likelihood but then neither were any other players in this draft. Best pick available and considering the lack of a healthy stellar 3 in the draft also the best fit.

Allows the Bulls to package Portis and other assets for a wing if a young wing becomes available.

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[fleet]

I've never heard of a 'rebounding percentage' before today.

- Bagley averaged 11 rebounds over 34 minutes of play.
- Carter averaged 9 rebounds over 27 minutes of play.

That's about a rebound every 3 minutes of regulation for both players. At best its a wash and shouldn't be discussed as a point of difference between the two.

Bagley played more away from the hoop. Carter was cleaning up inside as the inside man. As he will again with Lauri. Anyway, his rebounding and shotblocking numbers were inflated compared to Bagley because of the different areas of the court they were most responsible for.

[Dresden]

So the Bulls sit on their hands and ultimately select a player that is projected not to have the lateral quickness to guard off switches, which ultimately makes him at best a defensive liability in crunch time and at worst a non starting role player, sound familiar (Portis, Valentine, McDermott). The Bulls really have a problem with selecting 2 ways players, it's pathetic that we lost Jimmy Butler and tanked a whole year for Wendell Carter Jr... I mean my God. At least select Bridges, he has the same floor and a much higher ceiling.

Oh ffs. If the only issue with a guy his size is lateral quickness you just got a stud. If you want to complain that he doesn't have a high enough ceiling so be it; but there is no angst in this pick. It is the most solid pick available.

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Of all the big men taken in the top 7, Carter is closest to being a 2 way player out of any of them. Bagley is all offense, no D, Bamba is just the opposite. JJJ should be great on D, but outside of a 3 pt shot he has a limited offensive game. Ayton should be very good on offense, but his defense is questionable, although with his physical talents he should be able to improve on that end as well.

But Carter blocks shots, he's big enough to hold his own in the paint, he's smart, he can shoot from deep, he can score with his back to the basket, he's probably the best passer out of all the big men. So I think he's a very complete player. He just isn't super explosive, but neither was Tim Duncan.

[Dresden]

I've never heard of a 'rebounding percentage' before today.

- Bagley averaged 11 rebounds over 34 minutes of play.
- Carter averaged 9 rebounds over 27 minutes of play.

That's about a rebound every 3 minutes of regulation for both players. At best its a wash and shouldn't be discussed as a point of difference between the two.

Bagley played more away from the hoop. Carter was cleaning up inside as the inside man. As he will again with Lauri. Anyway, his rebounding and shotblocking numbers were inflated compared to Bagley because of the different areas of the court they were most responsible for.

Are you sure about that? Bagley seemed to always be in the paint, at least on offense.

[Truebiscuit]

I've never heard of a 'rebounding percentage' before today.

- Bagley averaged 11 rebounds over 34 minutes of play.
- Carter averaged 9 rebounds over 27 minutes of play.

That's about a rebound every 3 minutes of regulation for both players. At best its a wash and shouldn't be discussed as a point of difference between the two.

Bagley played more away from the hoop. Carter was cleaning up inside as the inside man. As he will again with Lauri. Anyway, his rebounding and shotblocking numbers were inflated compared to Bagley because of the different areas of the court they were most responsible for.

Are you sure about that? Bagley seemed to always be in the paint, at least on offense.

I remember Bagley being in the paint/on the block as well Dres.

[fleet]

I've never heard of a 'rebounding percentage' before today.

- Bagley averaged 11 rebounds over 34 minutes of play.
- Carter averaged 9 rebounds over 27 minutes of play.

That's about a rebound every 3 minutes of regulation for both players. At best its a wash and shouldn't be discussed as a point of difference between the two.

Bagley played more away from the hoop. Carter was cleaning up inside as the inside man. As he will again with Lauri. Anyway, his rebounding and shotblocking numbers were inflated compared to Bagley because of the different areas of the court they were most responsible for.

Are you sure about that? Bagley seemed to always be in the paint, at least on offense.

No I'm not sure. From what I understand, secondhand. I didn't watch much college ball and didn't see Duke until the tournament TBH. It looked that way.

[Stratmaster]

So the Bulls sit on their hands and ultimately select a player that is projected not to have the lateral quickness to guard off switches, which ultimately makes him at best a defensive liability in crunch time and at worst a non starting role player, sound familiar (Portis, Valentine, McDermott). The Bulls really have a problem with selecting 2 ways players, it's pathetic that we lost Jimmy Butler and tanked a whole year for Wendell Carter Jr... I mean my God. At least select Bridges, he has the same floor and a much higher ceiling.

Oh ffs. If the only issue with a guy his size is lateral quickness you just got a stud. If you want to complain that he doesn't have a high enough ceiling so be it; but there is no angst in this pick. It is the most solid pick available.

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Of all the big men taken in the top 7, Carter is closest to being a 2 way player out of any of them. Bagley is all offense, no D, Bamba is just the opposite. JJJ should be great on D, but outside of a 3 pt shot he has a limited offensive game. Ayton should be very good on offense, but his defense is questionable, although with his physical talents he should be able to improve on that end as well.

But Carter blocks shots, he's big enough to hold his own in the paint, he's smart, he can shoot from deep, he can score with his back to the basket, he's probably the best passer out of all the big men. So I think he's a very complete player. He just isn't super explosive, but neither was Tim Duncan.

From what I have read and what little I have seen, I agree.

Not to mention (in reference to the original post) that out of the big men selected in the top seven, he was the only one still available

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[keobulls]

Bagley played more away from the hoop. Carter was cleaning up inside as the inside man. As he will again with Lauri. Anyway, his rebounding and shotblocking numbers were inflated compared to Bagley because of the different areas of the court they were most responsible for.

Are you sure about that? Bagley seemed to always be in the paint, at least on offense.

No I'm not sure. From what I understand, secondhand. I didn't watch much college ball and didn't see Duke until the tournament TBH. It looked that way.

I also think that Carter did a lot more boxing out while Bagley got to fly around free to snag rebounds.

[Dresden]

Bagley also had that Moses Malone way of rebounding his own misses, sometimes several in a row, which pads the rebounding numbers.

[bigworld2017]

I wanted to wait a few days after the draft to digest it all. I will admit that I was very strongly in favor of trading up to take Mo Bamba. I still think Bamba is the player that would have ultimately made us a serious contender in 2 to 3 years. Pairing him with Lauri would have been special. That said, I can't be too disappointed to get Carter. He might never make the Hall of Fame, but he's going to be a solid starter, perhaps even an All Star someday. He has an NBA body already, at only 19 years old. He is a better passer than Bamba. A better post defender too. He makes us a better basketball team. That is certain. So welcome to Chicago Wendell. I wish you all the best.

[Axolotl]

It has been a couple of days, and I think the dust stirred up at d-day has settled enough to as this simple question:

Was Wendell Carter Jr. the right pick at seventh?

We now know that the Bulls sought to trade up, but could not find a satisfactory price/return -ratio. We also know there is something suspicious in Michael Porter Jr's medical status, otherwise he would not be a Nugget now.

Prior to draft there was a very lively discussion qoing on about who to pick to be a bull, and there were a variety of options, some of whom were gone in the actual draft. But not all, not by a ling shot.

[Just_Bullz]

Not a fan of drafting bigs in an era where SFs and PGs are the difference makers. Unless management sees WCJ having the ability to create an impact ala prime Noah, this could be just a decision to replace Rolo.

Would rather take Sexton or Miles Bridges with the pick at that stage. I'm actually more excited with Chandler Hutchinson instead. Hope I eat crow on this though.

[NewEra21]

Given how everything played out, yes. He's a healthy, long, multi-skilled big man who plays winning basketball. Best pick we could've gotten with the cards we were dealt.

[Benedict Miller]

It was the correct pick. Would have preferred someone like Porter Jr, but he has red flag concerns with his back. We still need a better point guard and perhaps another wing, but I'm not mad at drafting a guy who can rebound, pass, shoot, with a post game who offers some rim protection.

[CBS7]

I wanted MPJ for no other reason than his perceived ceiling. But considering the next 6 teams also passed on him, I think we made the right call.

I don't blame them for not trading up. I don't think we could have realistically beat Dallas's offer for #3. #5 is better than 7+22 and Dunn or Portis doesn't have as much value as a likely top 7-8 pick. I also really don't think we're in the position to give up a future pick with no or low protections.

Trading down could have been something to explore. I could have lived with taking a high ceiling wing and picking up a future pick a la the bridges trade.

I also would have liked to try to grab Bamba but I guess they thought he wasn't enough of an upgrade over WCJ to give up valuable assets.

All in all, I'm not ecstatic, but I'm okay with the pick. They had a lot more data than we did at their disposal.

[stepic]

It was.

Just sucks we missed out on Doncic or Bagley literally on a coin flip though.

[BullsFTW]

I wanted to move up for Doncic, but that didn't happen obviously. I thought MPJ was going to be a Bull, but his medicals showed that drafting him was too risky and the top lottery teams passed on him. WCJ was the BPA and he was the right selection at #7. I think his ceiling is a lot higher than what's advertised. Arguably the most skilled big man in the draft.

[TankWilson]

Here’s a comparison for you: WCJ is a taller, better defensive version of Paul Milsap. Both are bigs who have great footwork, good post game, some handles and can shoot it from the outside. WCJ seems like the better rebounder and has a longer wingspan.


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Isn't that pretty high praise to call him a better defender than milsap? I thought milsap was pretty good in that area as a prime player.

[HoopsterJones]

For the #7 pick he was the right pick to make.

[TankWilson]

In 5 years it will common knowledge that carter is the more valuable big than bamba. Bamba could surely average more blocks but thats the only advantage he'll have. He'll be a gadget guy like manute bol with a lil more offense in the capela fashion. He may be able to hit a couple three's a game but he'll never be kristaps belive me.

Bamba was so fkn average on a team where no one was stopping him from averaging 20 a game like ayton. He gets overhyped cause of one freak attribute and the fact he can put together a sentence as an athlete unlike say lamar "bubba gump" jackson.