BaF Season 4- Opening Night 12/1- (Announcement page 57)

[SOUL]

Just seems unnecessary when players arent real and sim and have no real life money grabbing purposes I know we are trying to recreate the NBA environment here but still

if Jimmy Buckets got traded as much as he did IRL (including back to his original team) he would've just left to Europe out of frustration

[Capn'O]

Free agency happens so that King of Canada's incoming reign of terror ultimately comes to an end.

[El Poochio]

Lets be honest, why is there even free agency? We all make trades if we want to switch it up anyway but respect to Bish and everyone trying to make this as realistic as possible

pooch wants infinity contracts LOL

i dunno about that.. his boy trae is still just looking for a minimum extension...

I am making a big favour to him by not extending for a McDonalds employee salary hopefully rewards me in performances next 2 years

[El Poochio]

i think free agency is the 2nd best part of this game

And the best part is?

seeing how your team performs in the SIM

What about seeing in 3D though

[bringbackhoffa]

Free agency happens so that King of Canada's incoming reign of terror ultimately comes to an end.

or he completes the dynasty..

[El Poochio]

pooch wants infinity contracts LOL

Just seems unnecessary when players arent real and sim and have no real life money grabbing purposes I know we are trying to recreate the NBA environment here but still

thats exactly it otherwise it would just be fantasy basketball. Contracts are keeping this fun because you have to manage the cap. If we just got to collect assets without managing a cap the game would basically just doing fantasy basketball.

Fantasy basketball >>>

[mpharris36]

Just seems unnecessary when players arent real and sim and have no real life money grabbing purposes I know we are trying to recreate the NBA environment here but still

thats exactly it otherwise it would just be fantasy basketball. Contracts are keeping this fun because you have to manage the cap. If we just got to collect assets without managing a cap the game would basically just doing fantasy basketball.

Fantasy basketball >>>

nah I spend way more time on this then any of my fantasy teams, and my fantasy teams are for money.

[bringbackhoffa]

i think if we could figure out a way to reduce the number of PMs bish gets without having a maximum number of bids, not making bid amounts or teams public, and no tiered system would be most optimal... have at it.. lets figure this out..

freezes are great and i do think we should have multiple of them, it still does not solve the issue of reducing messages

pooch idea is great but it does drastically change things which im not opposed to just need to really understand it. How would sign and trades work? I see a lot more sign and trades happening in 2022 with the number of high impact bird right players available. i could see teams just S&T stars they have had for 5 years just to switch things up a bit but not lose out on a top 10 player

[2010]

Guise I think I figured it out operational research is my profession making processes better is what we do

WARNING - THIS WONT DECREASE BISH'S WORK BUT WILL MOVE IT TO HIS OWN TIME AND DECISION OF HOW LONG HE WANTS TO TAKE, SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND THE CONTENT DISTURBING AND CONTROVERSIAL

Teams will send their bids to all the players they like to sign to Bish in private before a set deadline listing ONLY THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THEY ARE WILLING TO GO TO SIGN THE SAID PLAYER

Example:

1. New Orleans Pelicans
Kelly Oubre $40/5
Bogdan Bogdanovic $40/5
Giorgios Papagiannis $10/1

This means Kelly Oubre is a high priority signing for New Orleans, because of this THEY STILL CAN GET HIM FOR $1/5. How? $40 is the max amount they are willing to pay, but Bish starts by putting Kelly Oubre in New Orleans for $1/5 and Pelicans will get him for that amount AS LONG AS NO ONE ELSE BID, NOR ANYONE HAVE ENOUGH CAP SPACE AND ROSTER SPOT. After Bish allocates Oubre to Pelicans for $1/5, he moves on TO THE NEXT TEAM

2. Indiana Pacers
Luka Doncic 200/4
Jamal Murray 30/3
Jamal Crawford 1/1

And places the first bid of Indiana and moves on to the 3rd team so and so forth (moving from team to team one player at a time, when all the teams are covered moving on to the next player listed on 1st team, New Orleans Pelicans' bids)

So what happens when two teams bid on the same player? A BIDDING WAR ENSUES, Bish checks on whose bid is higher and either keeps Kelly Oubre at New Orleans, beating the offer of another team thus CHANGING THE $1/5 SALARY ALREADY ALLOCATED or removes Kelly Oubre from New Orleans roster and puts him into his new destination WITH THE MINIMUM BID NEEDED TO BEAT PELICANS (as long as the said offer was higher than Pelicans)

With the removal of Kelly Oubre from New Orleans books, or with the change in their offer Bish now moves on to the second player listed on New Orleans' bids, whether Bish was looking at 15TH LISTED TEAM'S 5TH LISTED BID OR 30TH TEAM'S 2ND BID HE MOVES BACK TO THE START OF 1ST LISTED TEAM'S 2ND BID thus he now moves on to look back to 2nd listed team, Indiana Pacers, making his way back from start

Feels like this could be done by coding so are there any coders out there? Otherwise Bish could take like 3 months to process FA, which is fine imo in an empty summer but people get too impatient

The changes here from previous years would be ROSTERS WILL BE FROZEN during free agency and the tricky part: teams will COMMIT BEFOREHAND HOW MANY YEARS THEY WANT TO SIGN THE PLAYER REGARDLESS OF AMOUNT

Obviously no need for this when the number of players hitting free agency is manageable, so this could be only activated in 2022 FA or like in original draft 4 years ago

Ideally the order of teams for me would be from worst to best in standings, ie the team finished 30th would actually have the first dibs on players with 1st team as last, keeping in with NBA's draft system to keep parity, but this will encourage losing on purpose even more, so the order would need to be from best to worst or in accordance to FA rankings, maybe this will actually help curtail tanking?

This eliminates bidding up players the GM doesn't genuinely even want. This also clearly indicates how much each GM is willing to pay for each player they have interest in. It keeps bids/salary private and removes all the inquiries and the back & forth. It keeps GMs from losing opportunities due to being left in the dark based on timing, and lastly it keeps steals as an integral part of GM research and due diligence.

I support this.

[El Poochio]

thats exactly it otherwise it would just be fantasy basketball. Contracts are keeping this fun because you have to manage the cap. If we just got to collect assets without managing a cap the game would basically just doing fantasy basketball.

Fantasy basketball >>>

nah I spend way more time on this then any of my fantasy teams, and my fantasy teams are for money.

Not BAF/BAT but real NBA

[King of Canada]

i think if we could figure out a way to reduce the number of PMs bish gets without having a maximum number of bids, not making bid amounts or teams public, and no tiered system would be most optimal... have at it.. lets figure this out..

freezes are great and i do think we should have multiple of them, it still does not solve the issue of reducing messages

pooch idea is great but it does drastically change things which im not opposed to just need to really understand it. How would sign and trades work? I see a lot more sign and trades happening in 2022 with the number of high impact bird right players available. i could see teams just S&T stars they have had for 5 years just to switch things up a bit but not lose out on a top 10 player

It’d be cool if there was some kind of silent auction app

[bringbackhoffa]

i think if we could figure out a way to reduce the number of PMs bish gets without having a maximum number of bids, not making bid amounts or teams public, and no tiered system would be most optimal... have at it.. lets figure this out..

freezes are great and i do think we should have multiple of them, it still does not solve the issue of reducing messages

pooch idea is great but it does drastically change things which im not opposed to just need to really understand it. How would sign and trades work? I see a lot more sign and trades happening in 2022 with the number of high impact bird right players available. i could see teams just S&T stars they have had for 5 years just to switch things up a bit but not lose out on a top 10 player

It’d be cool if there was some kind of silent auction app

they are some and i think you are onto something here

edit: actually would not work given the feedback, teams are opposed to seeing what the highest bid is, and bish would have to input all bids as it has to take into account cap space and slots as well as free agency ratings

[El Poochio]

Guise I think I figured it out operational research is my profession making processes better is what we do

WARNING - THIS WONT DECREASE BISH'S WORK BUT WILL MOVE IT TO HIS OWN TIME AND DECISION OF HOW LONG HE WANTS TO TAKE, SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND THE CONTENT DISTURBING AND CONTROVERSIAL

Teams will send their bids to all the players they like to sign to Bish in private before a set deadline listing ONLY THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THEY ARE WILLING TO GO TO SIGN THE SAID PLAYER

Example:

1. New Orleans Pelicans
Kelly Oubre $40/5
Bogdan Bogdanovic $40/5
Giorgios Papagiannis $10/1

This means Kelly Oubre is a high priority signing for New Orleans, because of this THEY STILL CAN GET HIM FOR $1/5. How? $40 is the max amount they are willing to pay, but Bish starts by putting Kelly Oubre in New Orleans for $1/5 and Pelicans will get him for that amount AS LONG AS NO ONE ELSE BID, NOR ANYONE HAVE ENOUGH CAP SPACE AND ROSTER SPOT. After Bish allocates Oubre to Pelicans for $1/5, he moves on TO THE NEXT TEAM

2. Indiana Pacers
Luka Doncic 200/4
Jamal Murray 30/3
Jamal Crawford 1/1

And places the first bid of Indiana and moves on to the 3rd team so and so forth (moving from team to team one player at a time, when all the teams are covered moving on to the next player listed on 1st team, New Orleans Pelicans' bids)

So what happens when two teams bid on the same player? A BIDDING WAR ENSUES, Bish checks on whose bid is higher and either keeps Kelly Oubre at New Orleans, beating the offer of another team thus CHANGING THE $1/5 SALARY ALREADY ALLOCATED or removes Kelly Oubre from New Orleans roster and puts him into his new destination WITH THE MINIMUM BID NEEDED TO BEAT PELICANS (as long as the said offer was higher than Pelicans)

With the removal of Kelly Oubre from New Orleans books, or with the change in their offer Bish now moves on to the second player listed on New Orleans' bids, whether Bish was looking at 15TH LISTED TEAM'S 5TH LISTED BID OR 30TH TEAM'S 2ND BID HE MOVES BACK TO THE START OF 1ST LISTED TEAM'S 2ND BID thus he now moves on to look back to 2nd listed team, Indiana Pacers, making his way back from start

Feels like this could be done by coding so are there any coders out there? Otherwise Bish could take like 3 months to process FA, which is fine imo in an empty summer but people get too impatient

The changes here from previous years would be ROSTERS WILL BE FROZEN during free agency and the tricky part: teams will COMMIT BEFOREHAND HOW MANY YEARS THEY WANT TO SIGN THE PLAYER REGARDLESS OF AMOUNT

Obviously no need for this when the number of players hitting free agency is manageable, so this could be only activated in 2022 FA or like in original draft 4 years ago

Ideally the order of teams for me would be from worst to best in standings, ie the team finished 30th would actually have the first dibs on players with 1st team as last, keeping in with NBA's draft system to keep parity, but this will encourage losing on purpose even more, so the order would need to be from best to worst or in accordance to FA rankings, maybe this will actually help curtail tanking?

This eliminates bidding up players the GM doesn't genuinely even want. This also clearly indicates how much each GM is willing to pay for each player they have interest in. It keeps bids/salary private and removes all the inquiries and the back & forth. It keeps GMs from losing opportunities due to being left in the dark based on timing, and lastly it keeps steals as an integral part of GM research and due diligence.

I support this.

And prevents you from overpaying for no reason, ie you bid $17/4 for Melton but end up getting him for $2/4 hi Cap

[King of Canada]

i think if we could figure out a way to reduce the number of PMs bish gets without having a maximum number of bids, not making bid amounts or teams public, and no tiered system would be most optimal... have at it.. lets figure this out..

freezes are great and i do think we should have multiple of them, it still does not solve the issue of reducing messages

pooch idea is great but it does drastically change things which im not opposed to just need to really understand it. How would sign and trades work? I see a lot more sign and trades happening in 2022 with the number of high impact bird right players available. i could see teams just S&T stars they have had for 5 years just to switch things up a bit but not lose out on a top 10 player

It’d be cool if there was some kind of silent auction app

they are some and i think you are onto something here

edit: actually would not work given the feedback, teams are opposed to seeing what the highest bid is, and bish would have to input all bids as it has to take into account cap space and slots as well as free agency ratings

There has to be something that’ll work like that. I’ll take a closer look at some of them.

[El Poochio]

i think if we could figure out a way to reduce the number of PMs bish gets without having a maximum number of bids, not making bid amounts or teams public, and no tiered system would be most optimal... have at it.. lets figure this out..

freezes are great and i do think we should have multiple of them, it still does not solve the issue of reducing messages

pooch idea is great but it does drastically change things which im not opposed to just need to really understand it. How would sign and trades work? I see a lot more sign and trades happening in 2022 with the number of high impact bird right players available. i could see teams just S&T stars they have had for 5 years just to switch things up a bit but not lose out on a top 10 player

It’d be cool if there was some kind of silent auction app

Billion dollar app idea? Imagine the Hoffa stock gains

[2010]

So far I am rocking with Pooch's revamp of free agency. It seems to be the most well rounded approach that solves the most problems.

Anything that ultimately is decided I am hoping comes down to a vote.

- - -
AS PER THE OTHER THINGS ON THE TABLE

• I support freeze periods

• I support Bird Right FA being a Cap Hold until non-bird FA's are signed

• I am against public automated spreadsheets of any kind

• I am of the stance that any changes must require a majority vote

[bishnykfan]

So far I am rocking with Pooch's revamp of free agency. It seems to be the most well rounded approach that solves the most problems.

Anything that ultimately is decided I am hoping comes down to a vote.

- - -
AS PER THE OTHER THINGS ON THE TABLE

• I support freeze periods

• I support Bird Right FA being a Cap Hold until non-bird FA's are signed

• I am against public automated spreadsheets of any kind

• I am of the stance that any changes must require a majority vote

Few things...first off, there will be some changes regardless of a majority vote...even if it is just time freezes. There is just no chance that I will be able to keep up and I'm saying it straight before we have a problem so people can prepare. Time freezes is probably the minimum change that I foresee us needing. I do also support the cap hold for Bird Right FA. We will definitely vote on that but I can't think of any reason not to have that in the game.

[Capn'O]

Upon reflection - I think Pooch's plan needs a few tweaks but I like the general structure.

The biggest concern I have is a max offer may have year contingencies. Example - this year I was looking at two options for Rondo. I had a cap for a 5yr deal (S&T possibility) but if that cap was breached I was considering a much higher 1 yr deal option for myself using Birds. Obviously, I didn't ultimately pursue either route when Plan A hit and the trade fell through but those were both possibilities.

My initial grouse at Pooch's format sees that it limits some of this sort of flexibility. Overall, I think it's a better and more manageable approach and provides the bones for a better way going forward.

[3toheadmelo]

I dont see how Pooch’s proposal will work. You’ll be locked in your bids and can’t alter them. It’s going to be a complete mess when you factor in free agency rankings. Imagine bidding on a player for $80 but losing him for $60 cause your rankings was lower and you couldn’t alter your bid.

[mpharris36]

I think Pooch's plan needs a few tweaks but I like the general structure.

The biggest concern I have is a max offer may have year contingencies. Example - this year I was looking at two options for Rondo. I had a cap for a 5yr deal (S&T possibility) but if that cap was breached I was considering a much higher 1 yr deal option for myself using Birds. Obviously, I didn't ultimately pursue either route but those were both possibilities.

My initial grouse at Pooch's format sees that it limits some of this sort of flexibility. Overall, I think it's a better and more manageable approach and provides the bones for a better way going forward.

One issue I have with it is that in 2022 FA where teams will have so many needs and roster spots it seems like a one and done type thing.

For example if you are only looking for 1 or 2 guys it makes sense. If you have 10 needs. Like Say Lillard is your top priority $500 but you want Murray as your backup plan lets say for $300...but Murray is your backup plan and you have him listed as such but say you have $800 to spend. You might get both guards.

In a normal situation if you locked up Lillard you would obviously Pivot and not need another point guard.