Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[Tha Cynic]

For their young timeline Scottie is the best fit. Jalen Brown comes close to the right timeline, but is a bit too old for it to make sense I think.

The Raptors are not investing all their time with Barnes this offseason to turn around and trade him for a 33 year old. If also makes zero sense to bring in all the development coaches they brought in. They're not trading Dame for Barnes. Masai is smart enough to know that is not a championship contender

lol does he know that? His actions are clearly signaling that he thinks the opposite.
why did he throw away a first round pick for poeltl? Why did he refuse to sell high on the vets?

I'm lower on Scottie than most but i would do this trade if the intention is to keep this core (siakam, og, poeltl). At least Dame is a good fit with those guys.

He didn't make those trades thinking this team is winning a championship lol. He made those trades to stay competitive while the young guys grow. Trading your best young players for a guy who won't win you a championship makes no sense.

[HumbleRen]

Agents are now publicly lecturing teams on how to conduct their business with guys they have under contract? Remind me why I watch this crap again? The NBA is a farce and everyone's after a bag and ring to go.

Once Stern left and this clown commissioner took over, it's a joke... so its sign a max contract, then tell the team ... trade me here, and only here?

Commission needs to grow a pair... pathetic.

And yet the NBA has never seen more parity.

So which one is it, is it bad for the NBA or is it good for the NBA ? Isn't parity the #1 goal.

[OakleyDokely]

NBA needs to go to a soccer style transfer system. Players can put in their trade request by a certain date and the team has until a certain date to move that player and if that player isn't moved by that date you can't discuss it again until the next season.

[Jadoogar]

The Raptors are not investing all their time with Barnes this offseason to turn around and trade him for a 33 year old. If also makes zero sense to bring in all the development coaches they brought in. They're not trading Dame for Barnes. Masai is smart enough to know that is not a championship contender

lol does he know that? His actions are clearly signaling that he thinks the opposite.
why did he throw away a first round pick for poeltl? Why did he refuse to sell high on the vets?

I'm lower on Scottie than most but i would do this trade if the intention is to keep this core (siakam, og, poeltl). At least Dame is a good fit with those guys.

He didn't make those traded thinking this team is winning a championship lol. He made those traded to stay competitive while the young guys grow. Trading your best young players for a guy who won't win you a championship makes no sense.

Why couldn't a core of Lillard/OG/Siakam be a contender in the east? This would be in the mix for top 3 team in the conference and that puts you on contender level.

I like Scottie but is a sure fire all-nba level prospect?

[JRoy]

Fair enough I guess we should first extend OG like Atlanta did for DjM

If the intent is to compete, maybe you should.

But he will be expensive and he will want more shots but can’t really do much but catch and shoot.

Is he worth what he will want?

Still worth it. He's 25 and one of the best defenders in the league. He's has also been a very good and consistent 3 point shooter. At worst if doesn't improve, he's an elite 3 and D guy that any team could use.

All star money for non all stars rarely works out for their teams.

[Tha Cynic]

If the intent is to compete, maybe you should.

But he will be expensive and he will want more shots but can’t really do much but catch and shoot.

Is he worth what he will want?

Still worth it. He's 25 and one of the best defenders in the league. He's has also been a very good and consistent 3 point shooter. At worst if doesn't improve, he's an elite 3 and D guy that any team could use.

All star money for non all stars rarely works out for their teams.

With the cap going up, that contract won't look bad in two seasons. The Raptors won't exactly have any superstars to use that money on anyway. The guy isn't even in his prime yet and highly coveted. He'll have more value on a long term deal.

[OakleyDokely]

If the intent is to compete, maybe you should.

But he will be expensive and he will want more shots but can’t really do much but catch and shoot.

Is he worth what he will want?

Still worth it. He's 25 and one of the best defenders in the league. He's has also been a very good and consistent 3 point shooter. At worst if doesn't improve, he's an elite 3 and D guy that any team could use.

All star money for non all stars rarely works out for their teams.

allstar money is 45-60 now

[GP2]

Dame leaving so unceremoniously would have to taint his GBOAT standing. Maybe it was recency bias, but the argument for Walton and Drexler appears to be just as strong, if not more so.

[ArthurVandelay]

Dame leaving so unceremoniously would have to taint his GBOAT standing. Maybe it was recency bias, but the argument for Walton and Drexler appears to be just as strong, if not more so.

Drexler left under the exact circumstances. Traded to Houston in ‘95 for the second of back-to-back championships.

[GP2]

Dame leaving so unceremoniously would have to taint his GBOAT standing. Maybe it was recency bias, but the argument for Walton and Drexler appears to be just as strong, if not more so.

Drexler left under the exact circumstances. Went to Houston in ‘95 for the second of back-to-back championships.

That point considered, who's better? Walton seems to have the Kawhi legacy of bringing that sole franchise championship home.

[ArthurVandelay]

Dame leaving so unceremoniously would have to taint his GBOAT standing. Maybe it was recency bias, but the argument for Walton and Drexler appears to be just as strong, if not more so.

Drexler left under the exact circumstances. Went to Houston in ‘95 for the second of back-to-back championships.

That point considered, who's better? Walton seems to have the Kawhi legacy of bringing that sole franchise championship home.

I’d say Drexler

Where’s JRoy when you need him?

[Raps Next GM]

I would love to see Cronin call a press conference and announce that talks with the Heat have broken off because they are not willing to improve their offer which is frankly not close to good enough.

Put the onus on Miami to step up or for Lillard to stop acting so entitled.

On behalf of Raptors fans and the 90% of teams that are not destination markets, I really hope the Blazers play hardball.

[2019nbachamps]

NBA needs to go to a soccer style transfer system. Players can put in their trade request by a certain date and the team has until a certain date to move that player and if that player isn't moved by that date you can't discuss it again until the next season.

I’m getting tired of players signing big deals and then demanding out in 1 year or less:

Paul George
James Harden
Kevin Durant
Dame Lillard

NBA should either reform bird rights or penalize players who demand out while in contract. What we’ll see more or moving forward is players sign max due to bird rights and then demand out. Heck, wouldn’t shock me if we resign Pascal to a new max and he asks out 1-2 years later.

[Pointgod]

How many teams that actually need Dame can offer what the Heat can? I don’t see Miami’s offer as completely garbage especially if they can get a third team to take Herro.

[ArthurVandelay]

Is there a difference between:

A player demanding to be traded to just one team and making it known he’d be unhappy anywhere else thereby lowering trade value

Versus

A player lowering their trade value by making it known he would refuse to sign an extension with any new team

???

[ArthurVandelay]

Is there a difference between:

A player demanding to be traded to just one team and making it known he’d be unhappy anywhere else thereby lowering trade value

Versus

A player lowering their trade value by making it known he would refuse to sign an extension with any new team

???

I didn’t mean to kill this thread lol

Just wondering others view on the above.

[Harold_and_Kumar]

NBA needs to go to a soccer style transfer system. Players can put in their trade request by a certain date and the team has until a certain date to move that player and if that player isn't moved by that date you can't discuss it again until the next season.

By no means is soccer perfect and some of the same issues arise. Nonetheless, it's a more reasonable structure, requiring the consent of the club (via a purchase agreement) AND the consent of the player (via a contract).

The problem is that everyone in the NBA is a franchise not an independent club! And having a draft instead of academies makes things wonky too. If tanking for Wemby meant you also had a sellable player worth $200M to other clubs, tanking would more than half the teams in the league!

[JRoy]

Drexler left under the exact circumstances. Went to Houston in ‘95 for the second of back-to-back championships.

That point considered, who's better? Walton seems to have the Kawhi legacy of bringing that sole franchise championship home.

I’d say Drexler

Where’s JRoy when you need him?

Walton had the highest peak.

Drexler the most team success.

Lilllard had alot of success with little help.

[ciueli]

lol does he know that? His actions are clearly signaling that he thinks the opposite.
why did he throw away a first round pick for poeltl? Why did he refuse to sell high on the vets?

I'm lower on Scottie than most but i would do this trade if the intention is to keep this core (siakam, og, poeltl). At least Dame is a good fit with those guys.

He didn't make those traded thinking this team is winning a championship lol. He made those traded to stay competitive while the young guys grow. Trading your best young players for a guy who won't win you a championship makes no sense.

Why couldn't a core of Lillard/OG/Siakam be a contender in the east? This would be in the mix for top 3 team in the conference and that puts you on contender level.

I like Scottie but is a sure fire all-nba level prospect?

The problem is that team is not affordable long term. Damian Lillard + Pascal Siakam + OG Anunoby are going to cost $120M/year and climbing starting in 2024-25. Throw in Jakob at $20M/year and you have $140M in salaries for four players, you have $30M to fill out the rest of the team before going into the luxury tax, keeping Gary Trent alone is going consume almost all of that.

Realistically MLSE is never going to green light the Raptors as a perennial deep tax team so there's no reason to think about a Lillard for Scottie Barnes swap even if there was some way to get Dame to buy in to the idea.

[Raps Next GM]

Is there a difference between:

A player demanding to be traded to just one team and making it known he’d be unhappy anywhere else thereby lowering trade value

Versus

A player lowering their trade value by making it known he would refuse to sign an extension with any new team

???

Massive difference!

Scenario 1 is a guy who has a made a commitment and is requesting to break that commitment, but will only accept one resolution that is only helpful to himself.

Scenario 2 is a guy who will accept being put in a completely different situation but is simply saying that he is not prepared to commit to this unknown long term.

The first is basically like your wife telling you she wants out of the marriage, but wants the kids, the house, the cars… and you should accept whatever she is willing to let you have.
You want to find a win-win situation but she only wants it her way whether you like it or not.

The second is like you have a longtime girlfriend and your relationship is struggling. You think buying a home together will fix your problems but she doesn’t want to make that commitment given how precarious things are between you.
She tells you to buy a home if you want, but she is not ready to co-sign on the mortgage.