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Post#801 » by King Ken » Thu May 22, 2025 7:20 pm

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King Ken wrote:I see ya'll situation, looks bleak and the Nets are really the only team in position to help. It's going to be interesting to see what Boston does this summer.

I would hardly call the Celtics situation bleak. Celtics have a ton of good players.

Financial situation. Talent wise, things are lovely
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Post#802 » by Parliament10 » Thu May 22, 2025 7:33 pm

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phincsfan wrote:I love the term “salary dump” and how it’s used for the Nets.

I’m sure the Nets are looking for the best “salary dump”.

:lol: :lol:


It's as if the Nets are expected to take on a 30mil contract. They have $15mil to pay their rookie class. A few QO's to deal with. Plus they have to fill a roster.

:lol: :lol:


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The Nets probably would like to get a salary dump from a player who will get fans in the seats.

That's why the idea of Morant going there is a good one.

I'm a New Yorker, they like shiny things that sell jerseys.

:lol: :lol:

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Post#803 » by hugepatsfan » Thu May 22, 2025 7:51 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:
King Ken wrote:I see ya'll situation, looks bleak and the Nets are really the only team in position to help. It's going to be interesting to see what Boston does this summer.

I would hardly call the Celtics situation bleak. Celtics have a ton of good players.

Financial situation. Talent wise, things are lovely


Nets aren't the only team in position to help. Salary dumps don't have to be all or nothing. It doesn't have to be sending a $30M player into cap space. It can be trading that $30M player for a $23M player that's worse on the court so the other team is willing to pay the extra $7M. And then you trade that $23M player for a $17M player that's even worse. So on and so forth. Do that with multiple players.

My guess is you see some multi step deals with Porzingis and Jrue where it's a series of deals that incrementally sheds some money down to the point that when they have to straight dump a deal, they're sending a much more manageable amount.
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Post#804 » by djFan71 » Thu May 22, 2025 8:00 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:He doesn't get a lot of playing time because Indiana has a ton of quality guards but good things always seem to happen when Ben Sheppard is in the game. If there's an opportunity to buy low on him this summer, Boston should be all over that.

Poaching him and Wallace would be fun. Payback for Aaron.
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Post#805 » by Celts17Pride » Thu May 22, 2025 8:08 pm

In a mock trade by Bleacher Report's Andy Bailey, the Spurs work together with the Celtics to land one of their top sharpshooting wings in Sam Hauser. The trade proposed is as follows:

Sam Hauser for Julian Champagnie, Malaki Branham and three second-round picks

Interesting.
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Post#806 » by redslastlaugh » Thu May 22, 2025 8:15 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:In a mock trade by Bleacher Report's Andy Bailey, the Spurs work together with the Celtics to land one of their top sharpshooting wings in Sam Hauser. The trade proposed is as follows:

Sam Hauser for Julian Champagnie, Malaki Branham and three second-round picks

Interesting.

That is interesting. Malaki Branham is on his way out of the NBA probably, poor defender and anti-Mazzulla shot profile on offense. It'd be nice to get some future 2nds and Champagnie is fine, a good bench 3-D wing.

I'd prefer to keep Hauser tho. I think he's elite on court with Tatum, still has some upside, and while he's old for being 4 yrs a pro, he's still only 27. I'd rather keep him. Age is major factor in how I rank current Celtics players and generally I'd try to keep the 20-somethings.
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Post#807 » by FlatearthZorro » Thu May 22, 2025 8:20 pm

We need a PP type of player. I'm convinced.
Last year, Brown bailed us out. I'm legit considering Trae for Brown. Maybe Trae and a pick.
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Post#808 » by lon3lytoaster » Thu May 22, 2025 8:27 pm

King Ken wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
King Ken wrote:I see ya'll situation, looks bleak and the Nets are really the only team in position to help. It's going to be interesting to see what Boston does this summer.

I would hardly call the Celtics situation bleak. Celtics have a ton of good players.

Financial situation. Talent wise, things are lovely


I don’t think it’s really set in with a least a decent portion of fans how difficult it is for a 2nd apron team to even get below that line quickly. Takes two to tango in trades and hard to be flexible with those trade restrictions in the first place.
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Post#809 » by 165bows » Thu May 22, 2025 8:43 pm

lon3lytoaster wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:I would hardly call the Celtics situation bleak. Celtics have a ton of good players.

Financial situation. Talent wise, things are lovely


I don’t think it’s really set in with a least a decent portion of fans how difficult it is for a 2nd apron team to even get below that line quickly. Takes two to tango in trades and hard to be flexible with those trade restrictions in the first place.

Worth noting that Brad said in his press conference that he said that the predicted decrease in trades with the new CBA is something he's pretty skeptical of at this point, sounds like there is prone to be as much movement as ever.

Though cost of specific moves is a totally different animal.
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Post#810 » by yeleven11 » Thu May 22, 2025 8:46 pm

165bows wrote:
lon3lytoaster wrote:
King Ken wrote:Financial situation. Talent wise, things are lovely


I don’t think it’s really set in with a least a decent portion of fans how difficult it is for a 2nd apron team to even get below that line quickly. Takes two to tango in trades and hard to be flexible with those trade restrictions in the first place.

Worth noting that Brad said in his press conference that he said that the predicted decrease in trades with the new CBA is something he's pretty skeptical of at this point, sounds like there is prone to be as much movement as ever.

Though cost of specific moves is a totally different animal.


He also sounded pretty peeved at the question being framed as needing to dump salary. He said something to the effect of we have a lot of good players under contract which tells me he believes the guys he has to “dump” have positive value. I really don’t think we’ll need to attach anything to get off these contracts like some ppl are assuming.
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Post#811 » by 165bows » Thu May 22, 2025 8:46 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:In a mock trade by Bleacher Report's Andy Bailey, the Spurs work together with the Celtics to land one of their top sharpshooting wings in Sam Hauser. The trade proposed is as follows:

Sam Hauser for Julian Champagnie, Malaki Branham and three second-round picks

Interesting.

For all the proposed deals out there, I hate that less than a lot of the other alternatives. Especially without Branham they can just cut that guy.

Actually Branham makes $5M there is a zero chance Boston takes that guy.

Edit: SA has #38 this year and a Utah 2nd next year so make it those
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Post#812 » by redslastlaugh » Thu May 22, 2025 9:01 pm

You could do it as seperate deals, as I understand it.

Hauser goes into SAS MLE with 2nd round picks coming back to BOS
And then a 2nd trade for rostered players. If we're out of the 2nd apron by then it'd just be Tillman ($2.5) for Champagnie ($3). If we're still 2nd apron it'd have to be a 3 teamer with another team moving their unwanted guaranteed guy making more than $3 ie: Tillman ($2.5) to PHI , Eric Gordon ($3.5) to SAS, Champagnie ($3) to Celts.
We could do it that way, no Malaki Branham at all.

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Celts17Pride wrote:In a mock trade by Bleacher Report's Andy Bailey, the Spurs work together with the Celtics to land one of their top sharpshooting wings in Sam Hauser. The trade proposed is as follows:

Sam Hauser for Julian Champagnie, Malaki Branham and three second-round picks

Interesting.

For all the proposed deals out there, I hate that less than a lot of the other alternatives. Especially without Branham they can just cut that guy.

Actually Branham makes $5M there is a zero chance Boston takes that guy.

Edit: SA has #38 this year and a Utah 2nd next year so make it those
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Post#813 » by darrendaye » Thu May 22, 2025 9:13 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:You could do it as seperate deals, as I understand it.

Hauser goes into SAS MLE with 2nd round picks coming back to BOS
And then a 2nd trade for rostered players. If we're out of the 2nd apron by then it'd just be Tillman ($2.5) for Champagnie ($3). If we're still 2nd apron it'd have to be a 3 teamer with another team moving their unwanted guaranteed guy making more than $3 ie: Tillman ($2.5) to PHI , Eric Gordon ($3.5) to SAS, Champagnie ($3) to Celts.
We could do it that way, no Malaki Branham at all.

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Celts17Pride wrote:In a mock trade by Bleacher Report's Andy Bailey, the Spurs work together with the Celtics to land one of their top sharpshooting wings in Sam Hauser. The trade proposed is as follows:

Sam Hauser for Julian Champagnie, Malaki Branham and three second-round picks

Interesting.

For all the proposed deals out there, I hate that less than a lot of the other alternatives. Especially without Branham they can just cut that guy.

Actually Branham makes $5M there is a zero chance Boston takes that guy.

Edit: SA has #38 this year and a Utah 2nd next year so make it those


If they trade Hauser prior to July 1st, isn't his 24/25 contract value (~2mm) the assigned slot going out?
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Post#814 » by phincsfan » Thu May 22, 2025 9:17 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
It's as if the Nets are expected to take on a 30mil contract. They have $15mil to pay their rookie class. A few QO's to deal with. Plus they have to fill a roster.

:lol: :lol:


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The Nets probably would like to get a salary dump from a player who will get fans in the seats.

That's why the idea of Morant going there is a good one.

I'm a New Yorker, they like shiny things that sell jerseys.

:lol: :lol:

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Post#815 » by redslastlaugh » Thu May 22, 2025 9:19 pm

darrendaye wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:You could do it as seperate deals, as I understand it.

Hauser goes into SAS MLE with 2nd round picks coming back to BOS
And then a 2nd trade for rostered players. If we're out of the 2nd apron by then it'd just be Tillman ($2.5) for Champagnie ($3). If we're still 2nd apron it'd have to be a 3 teamer with another team moving their unwanted guaranteed guy making more than $3 ie: Tillman ($2.5) to PHI , Eric Gordon ($3.5) to SAS, Champagnie ($3) to Celts.
We could do it that way, no Malaki Branham at all.


If they trade Hauser prior to July 1st, isn't his 24/25 contract value (~2mm) the assigned slot going out?

Thats a good question. I don't know when Sam rolls over to his 25-26 salary number, is it now? is it after the draft? is after July 1? I don't know.

I don't think it matters though, at either number Sam can slot into a San Antonio exception and we just take back picks. As I understand it, anyway
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Post#816 » by redslastlaugh » Thu May 22, 2025 9:27 pm

Trade Idea
Jrue Holiday ($32) + Derrick White ($32) + #28 for Kawhi Leonard ($50) + LAC 2029 first (lesser of LAC/PHI) + LAC unprotected 2031 first

Derrick has a 15% TK, so if Celts retain him his cap figure is $28.1
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Post#817 » by Curmudgeon » Thu May 22, 2025 9:32 pm

I believe things change over on July 1-- but certainly no later than the date the moratorium ends.
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Post#818 » by darrendaye » Thu May 22, 2025 9:39 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:
darrendaye wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:You could do it as seperate deals, as I understand it.

Hauser goes into SAS MLE with 2nd round picks coming back to BOS
And then a 2nd trade for rostered players. If we're out of the 2nd apron by then it'd just be Tillman ($2.5) for Champagnie ($3). If we're still 2nd apron it'd have to be a 3 teamer with another team moving their unwanted guaranteed guy making more than $3 ie: Tillman ($2.5) to PHI , Eric Gordon ($3.5) to SAS, Champagnie ($3) to Celts.
We could do it that way, no Malaki Branham at all.


If they trade Hauser prior to July 1st, isn't his 24/25 contract value (~2mm) the assigned slot going out?

Thats a good question. I don't know when Sam rolls over to his 25-26 salary number, is it now? is it after the draft? is after July 1? I don't know.

I don't think it matters though, at either number Sam can slot into a San Antonio exception and we just take back picks. As I understand it, anyway


League year ends 6/30/25. I believe the trade would need to wait to be "official" 7/1/25 if they wanted to use the 10mm number. I could be wrong.
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Post#819 » by redslastlaugh » Thu May 22, 2025 9:44 pm

Brian Robb of Mass Live lists 7 realistic Jrue Holiday trades.
All 7 require Boston to attach draft capital, according to BRobb
Is Robb hearing from sources that it's gonna take draft compensation to move Jrue, if so that's depressing given our future draft pick stash

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/05/jrue-holiday-trade-scenarios-7-realistic-deals-involving-celtics-guard.html
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Post#820 » by Curmudgeon » Thu May 22, 2025 10:12 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Brian Robb of Mass Live lists 7 realistic Jrue Holiday trades.
All 7 require Boston to attach draft capital, according to BRobb
Is Robb hearing from sources that it's gonna take draft compensation to move Jrue, if so that's depressing given our future draft pick stash

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/05/jrue-holiday-trade-scenarios-7-realistic-deals-involving-celtics-guard.html


None of those trades seem realistic to me because they don't save the Celtics enough money.
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