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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#801 » by tmoore » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:55 pm

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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#802 » by tmoore » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:08 pm

Asked Stefanski if, given everything (Brand's injuries, decreasing cap/luxury tax, likelihood of Miller moving on), signing Brand was the right move: "That's hindsight. It's easy to say after the fact."
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Post#803 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:12 pm

I think Stefanski really counted on Miller being here/somewhat better financial situation.

Lou HAS to be a better shooter though, 29% from 3 is unacceptable as a starter.
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Post#804 » by tmoore » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:14 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:I think Stefanski really counted on Miller being here/somewhat better financial situation.

Lou HAS to be a better shooter though, 29% from 3 is unacceptable as a starter.


But the other players won't be getting as many easy baskets from Williams as Miller, though Miller isn't a good defender or deep shooter. Will Williams be willing to initiate the offense moreso than himself? Answer TBA.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#805 » by Foshan » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:23 pm

freshie2 wrote:CJ Watson?? Why spend the money??


See, I'm okay with them making that kind of offer to CJ watson. Granted I probably would have offered a little more for one year (2.5-3), or less for more years (2yrs, 3rd team option).

Why CJ? He's young, relatively cheap, and he can shoot the 3. I think he would have easily cracked the rotation and provided some good scoring from the outside.

That said, I'm glad they didn't chase after him and sign him for more $ more yrs. See, I would have been a little more content the past few days if i knew the Sixers were open to considering these types of players for that kinda money. That, imo, is better than a vet min guy.

If we pursue guys like Carny/Wafer/Hollins for that type of money, and they don't take it, i'd feel significantly better than thinking that we never even made them the offer.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#806 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:27 pm

tmoore wrote:
Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:I think Stefanski really counted on Miller being here/somewhat better financial situation.

Lou HAS to be a better shooter though, 29% from 3 is unacceptable as a starter.


But the other players won't be getting as many easy baskets from Williams as Miller, though Miller isn't a good defender or deep shooter. Will Williams be willing to initiate the offense moreso than himself? Answer TBA.


Not to sound too harsh, but I felt like Miller was shoot first at times. Many have given a pass, I haven't. When he passes, we win :)
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Post#807 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:28 pm

Free Agents:
Dan Dickau(PG)- Good Shooter, who knows what he can do.
Marcus Williams(PG)--Kid might have some game
Bonzi Wellls(SG/SF)-Combo Guard/Forward, versatility fits in the system,
Ben Wallace(C)--Little know if he has game left, but he might not mind playing
on a team that has a shot that can win.


I like these FA'S
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#808 » by Skates » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:36 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Free Agents:
Dan Dickau(PG)- Good Shooter, who knows what he can do.
Marcus Williams(PG)--Kid might have some game
Bonzi Wellls(SG/SF)-Combo Guard/Forward, versatility fits in the system,
Ben Wallace(C)--Little know if he has game left, but he might not mind playing
on a team that has a shot that can win.

I like these FA'S


Dickau can't guard his own shadow adn he needsa ton of room to get his shot off because he can't create sace for himself.
Marcus Williams has been an utter and complete failure, even in GS when they desparately needed a PG last year. Plus the guy has a notoriously poor work ethic among other problems, no head cases, thank you.
I always liked Bonzi, a bit of a head case himself at times, more likely the kind of guy a contender picks up than us.
Ben Wallace is beyond done, an expiring contract is all he brings to the table today. Sad really, he was a hell of a basketball warrior in every sense of the word.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#809 » by tmoore » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:36 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Free Agents:
Dan Dickau(PG)- Good Shooter, who knows what he can do.
Marcus Williams(PG)--Kid might have some game
Bonzi Wellls(SG/SF)-Combo Guard/Forward, versatility fits in the system,
Ben Wallace(C)--Little know if he has game left, but he might not mind playing
on a team that has a shot that can win.

I like these FA'S


Would be quite surprised if the Sixers end up with any of these.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#810 » by 76STholder » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:03 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:
tmoore wrote:
Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:I think Stefanski really counted on Miller being here/somewhat better financial situation.

Lou HAS to be a better shooter though, 29% from 3 is unacceptable as a starter.


But the other players won't be getting as many easy baskets from Williams as Miller, though Miller isn't a good defender or deep shooter. Will Williams be willing to initiate the offense moreso than himself? Answer TBA.


Not to sound too harsh, but I felt like Miller was shoot first at times. Many have given a pass, I haven't. When he passes, we win :)



Very true, more so than most would admit. If Miller had played point more I think he would have a home right now. I kind of don't really think there is as much of a difference between Lou and Miller than most think. Miller had a better shot last year is true, but who knows this coming year?
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#811 » by The Guilty Party » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:23 pm

tmoore wrote:Asked Stefanski if, given everything (Brand's injuries, decreasing cap/luxury tax, likelihood of Miller moving on), signing Brand was the right move: "That's hindsight. It's easy to say after the fact."


Wow. What might be the first time that I've read anything from Ed in which I got the vibe that he may actually regret the signing. Very interesting.
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Post#812 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:28 pm

I didn't get that vibe. To me, he sounds like he's saying "It's easy to say it's a bad move now, but it was an obvious decision then.".

See, it would still be a great move if Stefanski tried spending a little doh! What's the MLE? 5 Million? What's the problem.It ain't like we gonna have cap in 2011, we'll have around....

You guessed it: The MLE :D

So why not sign a Ramon Session/ Raymond Felton/ a Nate Robinson. Add to the core of talented Sixers.
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Post#813 » by panacea » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:45 pm

BobbyJones wrote:I'm sure they would have done it, but only because they felt it would help them to improve this season. If there is nothing decent available, let him walk, and keep your powder dry for next season, when the MLE might actually bring back a decent piece. In the meantime, get your young guys some PT and let them develop.

If a top "MLE" calibre player were sitting waiting for an offer and the Sixers did nothing, I could understand the frustration. If an upgrade were available by signing Miller to his 10/3 contract and we did nothing, then again, I would understand the frustration. But as best we can tell, neither of these possibilities are the case, so I have no problem with how Ed has conducted himself this off season.


so you don't think duhon, for one year, is an upgrade over letting lw/jrue/some veteran scrub split time at the point? if you don't - fine, we just disagree. but if you do, i don't see how you can make this argument. i don't think a MLE signing is necessary either....but come on.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#814 » by doctor him » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:57 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:
tmoore wrote:Asked Stefanski if, given everything (Brand's injuries, decreasing cap/luxury tax, likelihood of Miller moving on), signing Brand was the right move: "That's hindsight. It's easy to say after the fact."


Wow. What might be the first time that I've read anything from Ed in which I got the vibe that he may actually regret the signing. Very interesting.


Very interesting.

Also...it's not something I'd ever admit in his position.

While Brand year 1 wasn't anything like we expected/hoped the question is "Who else was out there?'

I don't want Josh Smith on a bet and especially at the kind of coin that we would've needed to front to scare off Atlanta. There are other players that we could dream up salary cap space deals for, but those players are generally overpaid with respect to what they can give on the court.

So...while Brand year 1 wasn't good, I'd argue that there wasn't a better option out there.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#815 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:19 pm

Josh Smith is a TERRIBLE basketball player, once EB42 became available, you had to snag it up. He's fine, and the bench is looking mighty good too.

Alot depends on Lou Will/Jrue and how they adjust to the NBA Game. But who knows.
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Post#816 » by LongLiveHinkie » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:07 pm

Michael Ruffin is a terrible basketball player. Josh Smith is a very good, but flawed player. Major difference, dude.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#817 » by sixerswillrule » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:14 pm

Westbrook36 wrote:Michael Ruffin is a terrible basketball player.


What you talkin' bout, Willis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5bqF4VDSx4
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#818 » by Gsraider » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:25 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:I didn't get that vibe. To me, he sounds like he's saying "It's easy to say it's a bad move now, but it was an obvious decision then."


Agreed Dedicated. At the time, I think it was a no brainer. Now, I think his trepidation lies mostly in the fact that he no longer knows if Brand will be 100% or how durable he is going forward. Prior to his achilles tear, Brand was like A. Miller in terms of durability. Now, you cannot help but wonder if he has become injury prone and whether he can bounce back fully from these injuries. I think that has become a far larger concern than whether or not he can fit in.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#819 » by wow444 » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:11 pm

I am not as upset as most are regarding the Sixers unwillingness to use of the MLE or no AM. Once Eddie decided that EJ and the Princeton O was his team's best chance to win AM's fate was sealed. AM's lack of 3 point shooting and the fact that the PO (Princeton Offense) doesn't need a floor general type PG, coupled with his lack of foot speed on the defensive end and the state of the economy, equals bye bye Miller.

And really Eddie filled out the roster with 4 vet minimum contracts last year. Rush, Ivey, Marshall and Ratliff. Not much different this year. Speaking of which, Tom, have you heard what he is doing this year? Seems like a perfect fit for the PO.

The key to the team's success this year will come down to 3 pt shooting. It is an important key to the PO and spacing the floor. If the D doesn't respect that shot, they will collapse back and defend the lane and the Sixers will face the same half court offensive challenges of the past few years.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#820 » by wow444 » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:13 pm

Gsraider wrote:
Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:I didn't get that vibe. To me, he sounds like he's saying "It's easy to say it's a bad move now, but it was an obvious decision then."


Agreed Dedicated. At the time, I think it was a no brainer. Now, I think his trepidation lies mostly in the fact that he no longer knows if Brand will be 100% or how durable he is going forward. Prior to his achilles tear, Brand was like A. Miller in terms of durability. Now, you cannot help but wonder if he has become injury prone and whether he can bounce back fully from these injuries. I think that has become a far larger concern than whether or not he can fit in.


I don't see how any player could not have been injured landing on their shoulder in that circumstance.
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