Alll Amare Talk Here: Thread 7

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Ugh I want closure as much as you guys do, but this from a poster on the Bulls board:

By no means do I claim to have an 'insider', but a friend of a friend who runs in Amar'e's circle says that Amar'e to Miami is going down.

I don't vouch for anyone in that convoluted chain (except for my friend), but I thought I'd pass it along... since we're all just sitting here.

Nothing concrete obviously, but another rumor to add to the pile that I figure you guys would be interested in.

[lilfishi22]

I thought Amar'e is still willing to work out on an extension, but it has to be 5 years at the close-to-max deal

I think he is willing to regardless of "tense" convos by Kerr and Happy Walters.

He and his agent are asking for 14M for 4 yrs, which is reasonable. Suns put 14M for 2 on the table. Not far off. Like I said before, they need to compromise.

Where did you get $14m from? Close-to-max would be close to a Gasol-type contract which is $19m.

$14m for 4 would be much less than what I think he would accept. If Amare's camp is offering $14m over 4, Kerr better effing sign on the dotted line.

[JasonDaPsycho]

I thought Amar'e is still willing to work out on an extension, but it has to be 5 years at the close-to-max deal

I think he is willing to regardless of "tense" convos by Kerr and Happy Walters.

He and his agent are asking for 14M for 4 yrs, which is reasonable. Suns put 14M for 2 on the table. Not far off. Like I said before, they need to compromise.

I'd say it's a done deal then
Should be very reasonable to even Sarver (IMO, Amar'e should ask for more)

[ruiner]

Where did you get $14m from? Close-to-max would be close to a Gasol-type contract which is $19m.

$14m for 4 would be much less than what I think he would accept. If Amare's camp is offering $14m over 4, Kerr better effing sign on the dotted line.

Posted last night. From Coro.

Stoudemire also must decide on a $17.7 million option for 2010-11. The Suns could resume extension negotiations, although their offer of his option year plus two more years worth $28 million total was rejected, as much for the years as anything. Stoudemire did not ask for the maximum.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/ar ... pdate.html

[Arles]

I thought Amar'e is still willing to work out on an extension, but it has to be 5 years at the close-to-max deal

I think he is willing to regardless of "tense" convos by Kerr and Happy Walters.

He and his agent are asking for 14M for 4 yrs, which is reasonable. Suns put 14M for 2 on the table. Not far off. Like I said before, they need to compromise.

Where did you get $14m from? Close-to-max would be close to a Gasol-type contract which is $19m.

$14m for 4 would be much less than what I think he would accept. If Amare's camp is offering $14m over 4, Kerr better effing sign on the dotted line.

Three different media sources have said Amare wants to pick up his option ($17 mil) and get a 4 year extension at $14 m per. That ends up being 5-$73 mil (Gasol got 3-57). The hangup is that the Suns can't insure his knee so there is some major risk in the 4th and 5th seasons for them. They are basically offering a 3-$45 mil deal. In the end, I think they will offer Amare close to the 5-70 deal that he wants and he will re-sign. There's certainly no hurry to do so though - whether it's now or in April/May, Amare will accept 5-70.

[Sun Scorched]

If I was Sarver/Kerr, I would be willing to make concessions on the length of Stoudemire's extension IF he opted out.

Give him 4 years at $60, but have him leave that $17.7 on the table to help out with cap space next season.

Once Wallace's, Pavlovic's and Hart's cap hold go away next year, we will be in a great position.

[justinb80]

I'd do a $14m per extension with no hesitation. Just give him his years and if you get uncomfortable later, trade him. It'll be much easier to move him with him locked up already.

[TXSun]

all you drama queens thought he was gone. I told you all along, Amar'e stays!

[ruiner]

Stein's article was expanded

The Miami Heat are the only known suitor left for Stoudemire, but sources say that Miami has not been willing to add Michael Beasley to a trade package. Although the Suns, according to sources, see Beasley more as an asset for down-the-road moves than as a potential piece of their long-term future, Phoenix would want Beasley and at least one future first-round pick to surrender Stoudemire.

ESPN.com's Ford reports that the Heat are willing to offer one of their two first-round picks this June, but Miami has built the rest of its Stoudemire offer around the expiring contracts of Udonis Haslem and ex-Suns swingman Quentin Richardson, keeping Beasley out of the deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924306

[PHX_SUNS04]

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How are we not gonna win the title? we already had the best team in the league, and now we just traded essentially our first round pick for Antawn Jamison! And we get to keep J.J. Hickson! and LeBron is coming back to defend his title.

Best team in the league? have you heard of the lakers? not to mention cavs always find a way to choke in the playoffs and lebron will cry and run to NY, but u keep believing the 80 year old shaq can still help a team win

[Teddy Bruckshut]

Stein's article was expanded

The Miami Heat are the only known suitor left for Stoudemire, but sources say that Miami has not been willing to add Michael Beasley to a trade package. Although the Suns, according to sources, see Beasley more as an asset for down-the-road moves than as a potential piece of their long-term future, Phoenix would want Beasley and at least one future first-round pick to surrender Stoudemire.

ESPN.com's Ford reports that the Heat are willing to offer one of their two first-round picks this June, but Miami has built the rest of its Stoudemire offer around the expiring contracts of Udonis Haslem and ex-Suns swingman Quentin Richardson, keeping Beasley out of the deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924306

IF the hold up is including BOTH first round picks, then color me pissed.

[lilfishi22]

Posted last night. From Coro.

Stoudemire also must decide on a $17.7 million option for 2010-11. The Suns could resume extension negotiations, although their offer of his option year plus two more years worth $28 million total was rejected, as much for the years as anything. Stoudemire did not ask for the maximum.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/ar ... pdate.html

Thanks, I missed that.

I thought the absolute minimum he would've taken was $18m. I didn't think he would accept any deal that would pay him less than next year's salary. 60/4 is as close to a bargain as there is and I'd probably give him the max years but with the last year being a team option. I guess right now the only thing holding them up is working out the kind of insurance that would be acceptable to Amare and also would minimize as much risk a possible for us.

[Dr Manute]

Just offer Amare a performance based salary for the last 2 years. This will provide the Suns the insurance they need and the extra 2 years Amare wants.

Simple - I should be the Suns GM - I sure as heck wouldn't have traded 2 unprotected first round picks (one of them 2 years in the future after Nash's current contract ends) to unload KT & I would never sell draft picks.

[LEIF]

I doubt that adding that 2nd first round pick we have would get this deal done or Riley would have already done that. we need to give up Beasley (not happening most likely) OR find a 3rd team willing to send out a nice young player for a 1st round pick. if Kings get that package from Knicks they could be an option and I think GState is another target of Riley's to get this deal done.

I think as ALL information regarding this situation has been shaky...saying Amare is 100% not being dealt is a bit premature.

its been REAL quiet so far this morning though across the whole league.

[Sun Scorched]

Posted last night. From Coro.

Stoudemire also must decide on a $17.7 million option for 2010-11. The Suns could resume extension negotiations, although their offer of his option year plus two more years worth $28 million total was rejected, as much for the years as anything. Stoudemire did not ask for the maximum.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/ar ... pdate.html

Thanks, I missed that.

I thought the absolute minimum he would've taken was $18m. I didn't think he would accept any deal that would pay him less than next year's salary. 60/4 is as close to a bargain as there is and I'd probably give him the max years but with the last year being a team option. I guess right now the only thing holding them up is working out the kind of insurance that would be acceptable to Amare and also would minimize as much risk a possible for us.

My simple understanding of insurance has me understanding that, after any insurer "underwrites" the risks associated with Amare, he would be un-insurable.

[JohnVancouver]

Though I'm actually not sure if Frye is going to stick around next season. If not, its no biggie. Kerr will finally see his plan go through of getting hardworking blue collar type guys. Again, maybe the Suns can get another center like Kurt Thomas instead of Frye.
Alright, dream is over.

The SSOL lineup was a one in a million thing and now that's it;'s really been gone for some time, I'm ay more interested in seeing us develop a team along the lines of out second unit .. who should be partially moved intot he starting lineup

With Nash, Dragic, Rolo, Duds, Amar'e starting, we add some more dirt worker types for the new second unit. There's some good hard-working types who will be easier to add than big names, and likely give more results. I'm hopeful, and I'm really glad Kerr had the nuts to stand pat if he couldn't get a deal he liked.
I'd much rather deal Stat over the summer if that's what we have to do.

[lilfishi22]

What's the time now in AZ?

[DaDragicShow]

9:45am

[lilfishi22]

My simple understanding of insurance has me understanding that, after any insurer "underwrites" the risks associated with Amare, he would be un-insurable.

I wasn't referring to medical insurance, that's a whole different thing they gotta worry about. I was talking more about basketball insurance, as in team options.

[justinb80]

Though I'm actually not sure if Frye is going to stick around next season. If not, its no biggie. Kerr will finally see his plan go through of getting hardworking blue collar type guys. Again, maybe the Suns can get another center like Kurt Thomas instead of Frye.
Alright, dream is over.

The SSOL lineup was a one in a million thing and now that's it;'s really been gone for some time, I'm ay more interested in seeing us develop a team along the lines of out second unit .. who should be partially moved intot he starting lineup

With Nash, Dragic, Rolo, Duds, Amar'e starting, we add some more dirt worker types for the new second unit. There's some good hard-working types who will be easier to add than big names, and likely give more results. I'm hopeful, and I'm really glad Kerr had the nuts to stand pat if he couldn't get a deal he liked.
I'd much rather deal Stat over the summer if that's what we have to do.

Only problem is dealing STAT over the summer depends entirely on if Amare wants to do it. He has to either (a) make the choice to opt in, or (b) agree to a sign-and-trade. But he can completely screw the Suns if he wants -- and the Suns have not done anything to give him a reason NOT to screw them -- and opt out into free agency.