2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

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With D'Antoni linked to Philly...my question is, do we go all in for Embiid?

D'Antoni likes shooters and a fast paced offense. Embiid doesn't really fit that system very well.

Do we do a package of OG, Powell, Thomas and draft picks for Embiid?

If we resign Fred and Ibaka our line-up looks like:

Starters: Lowry, Fred, McCaw, Siakim, Embiid
Bench: Ibaka, Davis, Boucher, Watson etc.

Pros: Our starting line-up talent wise would be among the best in the league. We would have a very scary line-up in the playoffs.
Cons: Our depth would get impacted a lot. Embiid has injury issues.

X-Factor: Maybe Masai bringing Embiid entices Giannis to sign in 2021. Imagine making a line-up with 3 African born stars in Siaki, Giannis, and Embiid all together.

If Ibaka would like to go to Philly as most good teams won't have the cash to offer more than the MLE, Powell, Ibaka, 2021 1st pick and 2023 1st pick.

PG Richardson - #21
SG Powell - Thybulle
SF Harris - Korkmaz/Scott
PF Simmons - Ibaka
C Ibaka - Horford

[douggood]

With D'Antoni linked to Philly...my question is, do we go all in for Embiid?

D'Antoni likes shooters and a fast paced offense. Embiid doesn't really fit that system very well.

Do we do a package of OG, Powell, Thomas and draft picks for Embiid?

If we resign Fred and Ibaka our line-up looks like:

Starters: Lowry, Fred, McCaw, Siakim, Embiid
Bench: Ibaka, Davis, Boucher, Watson etc.

Pros: Our starting line-up talent wise would be among the best in the league. We would have a very scary line-up in the playoffs.
Cons: Our depth would get impacted a lot. Embiid has injury issues.

X-Factor: Maybe Masai bringing Embiid entices Giannis to sign in 2021. Imagine making a line-up with 3 African born stars in Siaki, Giannis, and Embiid all together.

If Ibaka would like to go to Philly as most good teams won't have the cash to offer more than the MLE, Powell, Ibaka, 2021 1st pick and 2023 1st pick.

PG Richardson - #21
SG Powell - Thybulle
SF Harris - Korkmaz/Scott
PF Simmons - Ibaka
C Ibaka - Horford

you cannot aggregate s& contract with regular contracts in a trade.

[bballsparkin]

I've seen posts with the Kings trading Bagley. Why would Sacramento do that? Aside from having new management I don't see the incentive to trade a young player who has only played 75 games. He's already averaging around 15 points and 7.5 rebounds for his career. Shoots free throws pretty well. I don't know about his defense. Aside from erring in not picking Doncic, Bagley looks pretty promising.

[Rapsfan07]

What about a FVV or Ibaka S&T for Holiday?

Holiday is 30 and has a Player Option for the 21/22 season, which he's sure to excerise in order to secure one last payday and he won't be resigning in New Orleans. He does it all on the court - rebounds, defends, shoots, passes. Everything. And he's in his prime. NOLA will want to surround Zion with shooting and also needs a C. Ibaka will be the best C on the market this summer.

FVV for Holiday ensures both teams recoup some value for guys who aren't going to stay with their teams.

[baller16]

I wouldn't mind Hield just to improve the team's 3p shooting. This team has the streakiest 3p shooting in the playoffs which is literally the difference maker for us because our half-court offense sucks. If we shoot the three ball close to our RS average, we beat the Celtics. You can't shoot 32% (worst out of all 8 teams in the 2nd round) and expect to win, its even crazier that we took them to 7.

Open 3s:

44% vs Nets
33% vs Celtics

Last year Open 3s:

28% vs Magic
23.5% vs Philly
37% vs Bucks
37% vs Warriors

Philly wasn't as good as people think they were, we just sucked so bad that series because the entire starting lineup forgot how to shoot. We beat them in 5 or 6 if we shoot close to normal.

Kawhi: 33.3%
Lowry: 26%
Siakam: 27.3%
Gasol: 32%
FVV: 7.1%
Ibaka: 21%

[Psubs]

What about a FVV or Ibaka S&T for Holiday?

Holiday is 30 and has a Player Option for the 21/22 season, which he's sure to excerise in order to secure one last payday and he won't be resigning in New Orleans. He does it all on the court - rebounds, defends, shoots, passes. Everything. And he's in his prime. NOLA will want to surround Zion with shooting and also needs a C. Ibaka will be the best C on the market this summer.

FVV for Holiday ensures both teams recoup some value for guys who aren't going to stay with their teams.

https://pelicandebrief.com/2020/06/11/new-orleans-pelicans-jrue-holiday-stay/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895724-shams-jrue-holiday-told-pelicans-he-didnt-want-trade-before-2020-deadline

He's their Lowry.

[tecumseh18]

Ok, PG for Lowry straight up. Maybe Raps add the 2020 FRP, given the age difference and just so it's not clogging up the books in 2021.

Hey Lowry became a force in the playoffs after numerous misfires. Maybe "Playoff P" can actually become a thing. Not sure how Lowry and P-Bev will coexist, tho'.

Why I would trade Lowry - aka why Lowry might want to be traded? Because it would give him a legit shot at another ring, and more facetime in front of the media who will eventually put him in the HOF. As always, this trade would be contingent on Lowry actually wanting to be traded. Maybe the Clippers can also get DD for the MLE if he indeed opts out of his big contract (highly unlikely, but maybe he would for a chance to join Kyle on the Clippers). DD would give them another ball handler.

[Psubs]

Ok, PG for Lowry straight up. Maybe Raps add the 2020 FRP, given the age difference and just so it's not clogging up the books in 2021.

Hey Lowry became a force in the playoffs after numerous misfires. Maybe "Playoff P" can actually become a thing. Not sure how Lowry and P-Bev will coexist, tho'.

Why I would trade Lowry - aka why Lowry might want to be traded? Because it would give him a legit shot at another ring, and more facetime in front of the media who will eventually put him in the HOF. As always, this trade would be contingent on Lowry actually wanting to be traded. Maybe the Clippers can also get DD for the MLE if he indeed opts out of his big contract (highly unlikely, but may he would for a chance to join Kyle on the Clippers). DD would give them another ball handler.

Wow, don't think they'll trade PG when his stock is this low. The net would be SGA and 4 1st picks for Lowry.

[tecumseh18]

Wow, don't think they'll trade PG when his stock is this low. The net would be SGA and 4 1st picks for Lowry.

I was listening to Cowherd this morning and they suggested that the anti-PG leaks coming out of the Clippers might be a sign that a trade was coming.

Just as the Clips can view those picks to OKC as part of the cost of getting Kawhi + PG, they can view this as a two-fer, getting Lowry and his buddy DeMar (now in full ring-chasing mode) for cheap. Because there's no chance DeMar's coming back to the Raptors. At one point, DeMar was seen as a comparable player to PG. It would be hilarious if Kyle orchestrated this the way Kawhi orchestrated the PG trade.

Rap fans have always wanted PG, but his stock, as you say, is low right now. But that's exactly when Masai likes to move to obtain superstars. PG, Pascal and OG (at small ball C) would be an amazing front court.

[LoveMyRaps]

FVV for Dunn, Markannen, Grizzlies second round pick, Pelicans second round pick for next season. *
* The Bulls would have to extend the QO and Dunn would also have accept a move to Toronto since he has the power to veto, in order for the deal to work.

We'd get one year of Dunn to see if we could work out his offensive game because at the moment it's non-existent. On the defensive end he's one of my favorite players to watch, he can guard 1-3 and can shut down stars/superstar. He's one of the best defenders at his position in the league without a doubt.

I mean just look at this guy:

Watch on YouTube

It's a high risk, high reward deal. On one end we're acquiring two players with A LOT of potential and on the other hand those two are both on one year deals meaning we could lose em for nothing at the end of the season.

Of course... Best case scenario would be if no qualifying offer is extended and Dunn becomes a UFA. I'd pursue him on a one year deal.
Would be great if he could turn out to be a Marcus Smart type of player for us.

[Dalek]

FVV for Dunn, Markannen, Grizzlies second round pick, Pelicans second round pick for next season. *
* The Bulls would have to extend the QO and Dunn would also have accept a move to Toronto since he has the power to veto, in order for the deal to work.

We'd get one year of Dunn to see if we could work out his offensive game because at the moment it's non-existent. On the defensive end he's one of my favorite players to watch, he can guard 1-3 and can shut down stars/superstar. He's one of the best defenders at his position in the league without a doubt.

I mean just look at this guy:

Watch on YouTube

It's a high risk, high reward deal. On one end we're acquiring two players with A LOT of potential and on the other hand those two are both on one year deals meaning we could lose em for nothing at the end of the season.

Of course... Best case scenario would be if no qualifying offer is extended and Dunn becomes a UFA. I'd pursue him on a one year deal.
Would be great if he could turn out to be a Marcus Smart type of player for us.

Dunn is a great defender but he is a terrible PG or SG. Not sure why Toronto would want him since he isn't even an upgrade over TDII. You actually pretty much kill our chances of keeping TDII in a couple years with a move like this.

The whole trade is pretty convoluted. FVV is a UFA and Toronto has Bird rights, while Dunn is a RFA. Are you proposing a double sign and trade? How does this trade even work from a salary POV if FVV is a near max deal? You have to walk me through this one.

[C-R-E-A-M-]

Fred Van Vleet sign and trade for Jrue Holiday

[Dalek]

Since we are on Chicago a bit. I think the Raps an underrated guy that the should target is Shaquille Harrison. They could use a partial MLE if it is available. Not sure what his status is in Chicago but I love his game. 6'7" who can be a secondary ballhandler, and is good enough as 3 and D player right now. He is 26 so I don't think the Bulls would match. He would be an easy plug and play guy to add as a back-up SF or SG.

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[LoveMyRaps]

FVV for Dunn, Markannen, Grizzlies second round pick, Pelicans second round pick for next season. *
* The Bulls would have to extend the QO and Dunn would also have accept a move to Toronto since he has the power to veto, in order for the deal to work.

We'd get one year of Dunn to see if we could work out his offensive game because at the moment it's non-existent. On the defensive end he's one of my favorite players to watch, he can guard 1-3 and can shut down stars/superstar. He's one of the best defenders at his position in the league without a doubt.

I mean just look at this guy:

Watch on YouTube

It's a high risk, high reward deal. On one end we're acquiring two players with A LOT of potential and on the other hand those two are both on one year deals meaning we could lose em for nothing at the end of the season.

Of course... Best case scenario would be if no qualifying offer is extended and Dunn becomes a UFA. I'd pursue him on a one year deal.
Would be great if he could turn out to be a Marcus Smart type of player for us.

Dunn is a great defender but he is a terrible PG or SG. Not sure why Toronto would want him since he isn't even an upgrade over TDII. You actually pretty much kill our chances of keeping TDII in a couple years with a move like this.

The whole trade is pretty convoluted. FVV is a UFA and Toronto has Bird rights, while Dunn is a RFA. Are you proposing a double sign and trade? How does this trade even work from a salary POV if FVV is a near max deal? You have to walk me through this one.

My bad for some reason I misread and thought the QO for Dunn was 16 mil, that was just the cap hold . His base salary would be about 7.1mil. Hence my proposed offer wouldn't work-out financially. Bulls would have to throw in a Satoransky or a Thad Young.

FVV for Dunn, Markannen, Young, Grizzlies second round pick, Pelicans second round pick for next season

That works. We can flip Young at the deadline for an expiring.

Depth chart would be:

Lowry/Dunn
Powell/Davis/Thomas
OG/Watson
Siakam/Young
Markannen/Boucher

[Rapsfan07]

FVV for Dunn, Markannen, Grizzlies second round pick, Pelicans second round pick for next season. *
* The Bulls would have to extend the QO and Dunn would also have accept a move to Toronto since he has the power to veto, in order for the deal to work.

We'd get one year of Dunn to see if we could work out his offensive game because at the moment it's non-existent. On the defensive end he's one of my favorite players to watch, he can guard 1-3 and can shut down stars/superstar. He's one of the best defenders at his position in the league without a doubt.

I mean just look at this guy:

Watch on YouTube

It's a high risk, high reward deal. On one end we're acquiring two players with A LOT of potential and on the other hand those two are both on one year deals meaning we could lose em for nothing at the end of the season.

Of course... Best case scenario would be if no qualifying offer is extended and Dunn becomes a UFA. I'd pursue him on a one year deal.
Would be great if he could turn out to be a Marcus Smart type of player for us.

If I recall correctly, the Bulls have capspace this offseason. They can simply offer FVV a contract if they wish. Plus they have White on a rookie scale deal and I have to imagine they would like to develop him.

I do love me some Kris Dunn though and I do agree with you - he's one of the best defenders in the entire league. Thankfully, he's a RFA this offseason and due to his offensive limitations, the lack of need for PGs right now and the financial implications of COVID, I believe he can be had pretty cheaply. But he is one of my top 5 wants in free agency this year.

[baller16]

Ok, PG for Lowry straight up. Maybe Raps add the 2020 FRP, given the age difference and just so it's not clogging up the books in 2021.

Hey Lowry became a force in the playoffs after numerous misfires. Maybe "Playoff P" can actually become a thing. Not sure how Lowry and P-Bev will coexist, tho'.

Why I would trade Lowry - aka why Lowry might want to be traded? Because it would give him a legit shot at another ring, and more facetime in front of the media who will eventually put him in the HOF. As always, this trade would be contingent on Lowry actually wanting to be traded. Maybe the Clippers can also get DD for the MLE if he indeed opts out of his big contract (highly unlikely, but maybe he would for a chance to join Kyle on the Clippers). DD would give them another ball handler.

I've said it before, but yeah we're not trading Lowry unless we're robbing the other team like OKC did. Our package should look some thing like this:

Lowry
McCaw

For

PG
Shamet
2020 2nd
2022 2nd
2024 2nd

Sounds wild but Clippers are in desperation mode from what I've seen. If they drop Harrell and move Morris, they should be able to sign Demar.

Lowry/DD/Kawhi/JaMcyhal/Zubac

That trio looks pretty good on paper and easily better than the PG & Kawhi duo imo.

[Rapsfan07]

Fred Van Vleet sign and trade for Jrue Holiday

I posted this earlier in the thread as well. I think it makes a lot of sense for both sides.

[dalton749]

Fred Van Vleet sign and trade for Jrue Holiday

I posted this earlier in the thread as well. I think it makes a lot of sense for both sides.

That would easily be the best case scenario since Jrue is a better player and fit here but it’s highly unlikely Fred would choose to go there of all places.

[OAKLEY_2]

Fred Van Vleet sign and trade for Jrue Holiday

I posted this earlier in the thread as well. I think it makes a lot of sense for both sides.

That would easily be the best case scenario since Jrue is a better player and fit here but it’s highly unlikely Fred would choose to go there of all places.

With Zion and Ingram and Reddick and Ball to be lead guard? He would be a fool not to approve that. Ten times better than the Knicks.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Ok, PG for Lowry straight up. Maybe Raps add the 2020 FRP, given the age difference and just so it's not clogging up the books in 2021.

Hey Lowry became a force in the playoffs after numerous misfires. Maybe "Playoff P" can actually become a thing. Not sure how Lowry and P-Bev will coexist, tho'.

Why I would trade Lowry - aka why Lowry might want to be traded? Because it would give him a legit shot at another ring, and more facetime in front of the media who will eventually put him in the HOF. As always, this trade would be contingent on Lowry actually wanting to be traded. Maybe the Clippers can also get DD for the MLE if he indeed opts out of his big contract (highly unlikely, but maybe he would for a chance to join Kyle on the Clippers). DD would give them another ball handler.

I've said it before, but yeah we're not trading Lowry unless we're robbing the other team like OKC did. Our package should look some thing like this:

Lowry
McCaw

For

PG
Shamet
2020 2nd
2022 2nd
2024 2nd

Sounds wild but Clippers are in desperation mode from what I've seen. If they drop Harrell and move Morris, they should be able to sign Demar.

Lowry/DD/Kawhi/JaMcyhal/Zubac

That trio looks pretty good on paper and easily better than the PG & Kawhi duo imo.

I respect Lowry for what he's done for this franchise and man it would suck to see him go but at that price you have to take the c deal. Toronto has three legit all defensive players on their roster in Anunoby, George and Siakam plus a a very good pair in Ibaka and VanVleet if they come back. This doesn't hurt the '21 Giannis Antetokounmpo offseason goal IMHO it makes it better off. Giannis gets a great Robin in George and Siakam becomes the third option while Freddy runs pick and pop plays. The deal I doubt gets done but damn is Toronto deadly after