Bears thread 13

[dice]

I like QBR because it at least looks to give credit to dual-threat quarterbacks who can pick up yards with their legs in passing situations and in the designed quarterback run game. However, if you are being objective, there is no way Daniels gets a 69.6 yesterday and Williams 37.2. If you want to say Daniels should have the higher QBR because of completion percentage, total touchdowns (3 vs 2), and a plus 21 in total yards accounted for, I get that. The two critical turnovers should not still have a differential of over 30 between the two. The math ain't mathin.

PFF gave Caleb the worst rating of all starting QBs...even worse than negative net passing yards JF.

have a feeling PFF is highly accuracy dependent. tough to grade decision making. as for QBR:

37 caleb
34 gabriel
33 penix
31 hurts
24 rush
20 mac
19 allen
14 ward
9 fields

it's possible that QBR did not "credit" JD for the fumble because it was on a handoff. i know that they don't credit the QB much for plays like the swift TD. but the wide gap of JD over caleb doesn't make much sense

caleb back down to middle of the starter pack in QBR now. feels about right, frankly

[dice]

Well we've got a chance for a win here.

The stuff of nightmares if Moody has to kick the field goal.

nearly was a nightmare. that kick came out hard left and swung back hard to the right for some reason

[dice]

week 6 PFF:

89 edwards
81 byard/edmunds
80 sweat
70 brisker
64 dexter/tyrique
59 billings
55 dayo
52 kyler
42 wright

88 thuney
86 swift
76 wright
72 kmet/DJ
69 rome/dalman
62 benedet
59 jackson
49 zaccheaus
46 caleb

[dice]

fanduel has bears w/ 27% chance at playoffs, trailing falcons and commanders for final slot, just ahead of vikes

[Dresden]

One thing that was much better last night- I don't think the O line had a single holding call all game. And only one false start (by Benedet).

Do you think the Bears have found their starting LT? He looked pretty good last night.

Benedet call was offside IIRC, and the announcers thought it was a very questionable (but unfortunate) call.

Williams definitely seems to be getting more time than last season...which he definitely needs because IMO his reads and progressions are below average speed-wise.

He had a false start earlier in the game as well.

[Dresden]

At this point I really think the only thing keeping us from being a top notch offense is Williams inconsistency when it comes to making basic reads and throws. He gets that settled and I think we have top 10 offense potential.

On defense our pass rush still isn’t good enough. A change needs to be made. I would wait until the deadline to make a move for someone like Simmons or Henderson so we can get a good idea of where the team is.

If we are comped and have a legit shot at making the playoffs, then I would pull the trigger and a move like that (assuming the compensation is reasonable).

We ARE a top 10 offense now, if you go by points per game. If you go by yards per game, we're 14th.

[Dresden]

At this point I really think the only thing keeping us from being a top notch offense is Williams inconsistency when it comes to making basic reads and throws. He gets that settled and I think we have top 10 offense potential.

On defense our pass rush still isn’t good enough. A change needs to be made. I would wait until the deadline to make a move for someone like Simmons or Henderson so we can get a good idea of where the team is.

If we are comped and have a legit shot at making the playoffs, then I would pull the trigger and a move like that (assuming the compensation is reasonable).

Yea thats the problem Caleb still just isn't a very good QB. Anyone that says they wouldn't take Daniels in a do-over is a liar. I honestly think this offense would be better if Bagent was starting. He knows how to hit guys when they're open. Caleb is really bad at that. Look at the 2 pt conversion attempt when Aikman showed in the graphic that he had Monangai wide open for an easy catch, yet didn't throw it to him. Even in that final drive in his completion to Loveland, i noticed on the replay that someone else was a good 5-6 yards deeper behind Loveland that was also open. He leaves yards on the table ALOT.

I wouldn't take Daniels over Caleb necessarily, although it looks close right now. Daniels had more college experience, it's not surprising he's started out faster, and I think he had a much better offensive line to play behind last year. I still like Caleb's potential. And Daniel's thin frame makes him an injury risk, made worse by his propensity to run often. I would bet Caleb has a longer career for that reason.

[Dresden]

I do agree it's possible the offense would look better with Bagent starting right now, but Caleb has shown enough this season to believe he's a long term answer, provided he keeps improving. I'd still love to see Bagent start a game this year just to see how he does in this offense.

[Almost Retired]

One thing that was much better last night- I don't think the O line had a single holding call all game. And only one false start (by Benedet).

Do you think the Bears have found their starting LT? He looked pretty good last night.

I’ve been extremely impressed by Benedet the past too games. The only thing that gives me pause is that he’s undrafted. We’ve been burned too many times by late round LTs for me to be confident. At the very least, I want to see him hold up for the rest of the season. If can play like this all year, I’d be comfortable going into next season as the starter

If Benedet plays well enough for the remainder of the season it would allow the Bears to concentrate on adding an EDGE in Round 1, and a RB and some secondary help on Day 2 of the Draft. They should start moving Amegadjie to Guard immediately. I think he could be successful there if he can stay healthy enough to work on his game. And Trapillo should be the swing tackle. He's not going to beat out Darnell Wright at RT. Or let Benedet and Trapillo battle it out for the LT position with the loser becoming the swing tackle.

[NZB2323]

At this point I really think the only thing keeping us from being a top notch offense is Williams inconsistency when it comes to making basic reads and throws. He gets that settled and I think we have top 10 offense potential.

On defense our pass rush still isn’t good enough. A change needs to be made. I would wait until the deadline to make a move for someone like Simmons or Henderson so we can get a good idea of where the team is.

If we are comped and have a legit shot at making the playoffs, then I would pull the trigger and a move like that (assuming the compensation is reasonable).

Why would we trade draft picks for a pass rusher when we can just draft one with one of those draft picks?

The Packers traded all those draft picks for Parsons and paid him all that money and he’s dealing with a back injury and has 2.5 sacks this year.

I’m all for using our 1st round draft pick on an Edge. Some mock drafts have us taking Parker or Bain.

Secondary is such a strength for this team, but they’re always injured. Picks 2-4 should be some combination of secondary, OL, and RB.

Making the playoffs this year isn’t the ultimate end goal. If we can trade DJ Moore or Kmet for an edge that’s reasonable but I wouldn’t want to send out draft capital.

[NZB2323]

At this point I really think the only thing keeping us from being a top notch offense is Williams inconsistency when it comes to making basic reads and throws. He gets that settled and I think we have top 10 offense potential.

On defense our pass rush still isn’t good enough. A change needs to be made. I would wait until the deadline to make a move for someone like Simmons or Henderson so we can get a good idea of where the team is.

If we are comped and have a legit shot at making the playoffs, then I would pull the trigger and a move like that (assuming the compensation is reasonable).

Yea thats the problem Caleb still just isn't a very good QB. Anyone that says they wouldn't take Daniels in a do-over is a liar. I honestly think this offense would be better if Bagent was starting. He knows how to hit guys when they're open. Caleb is really bad at that. Look at the 2 pt conversion attempt when Aikman showed in the graphic that he had Monangai wide open for an easy catch, yet didn't throw it to him. Even in that final drive in his completion to Loveland, i noticed on the replay that someone else was a good 5-6 yards deeper behind Loveland that was also open. He leaves yards on the table ALOT.

I wouldn't take Daniels over Caleb necessarily, although it looks close right now. Daniels had more college experience, it's not surprising he's started out faster, and I think he had a much better offensive line to play behind last year. I still like Caleb's potential. And Daniel's thin frame makes him an injury risk, made worse by his propensity to run often. I would bet Caleb has a longer career for that reason.

Maybe not Daniels, but it looks like Drake Maye is the best QB from the draft. Caleb has a lot of potential though and needs to improve, but we’ve seen some improvement this year which is a good sign.

[biggestbullsfan]

One thing that was much better last night- I don't think the O line had a single holding call all game. And only one false start (by Benedet).

Do you think the Bears have found their starting LT? He looked pretty good last night.

I’ve been extremely impressed by Benedet the past too games. The only thing that gives me pause is that he’s undrafted. We’ve been burned too many times by late round LTs for me to be confident. At the very least, I want to see him hold up for the rest of the season. If can play like this all year, I’d be comfortable going into next season as the starter

If Benedet plays well enough for the remainder of the season it would allow the Bears to concentrate on adding an EDGE in Round 1, and a RB and some secondary help on Day 2 of the Draft. They should start moving Amegadjie to Guard immediately. I think he could be successful there if he can stay healthy enough to work on his game. And Trapillo should be the swing tackle. He's not going to beat out Darnell Wright at RT. Or let Benedet and Trapillo battle it out for the LT position with the loser becoming the swing tackle.

Also, the LT in the draft don’t look really promising. But there’s a lot of Edge depth. I wouldn’t be shocked if we took two. We also need more Safety depth and maybe a corner.

[biggestbullsfan]

Also to remind everyone, Ben Johnson already said this year is more about evaluating the team. They aren’t going to give up a ton of draft capital for a team that Ben didn’t fully create. If we make a move, it’s probably a minor one.

[Dresden]

Cole Kmet looks like someone they should try to trade. Unless they think he's really useful in the run game. But as for passing, we barely are using one TE, let alone two. If Loveland is healthy, just make him the guy. Kmet may be hard to move with his salary though.

[Dresden]

Yea thats the problem Caleb still just isn't a very good QB. Anyone that says they wouldn't take Daniels in a do-over is a liar. I honestly think this offense would be better if Bagent was starting. He knows how to hit guys when they're open. Caleb is really bad at that. Look at the 2 pt conversion attempt when Aikman showed in the graphic that he had Monangai wide open for an easy catch, yet didn't throw it to him. Even in that final drive in his completion to Loveland, i noticed on the replay that someone else was a good 5-6 yards deeper behind Loveland that was also open. He leaves yards on the table ALOT.

I wouldn't take Daniels over Caleb necessarily, although it looks close right now. Daniels had more college experience, it's not surprising he's started out faster, and I think he had a much better offensive line to play behind last year. I still like Caleb's potential. And Daniel's thin frame makes him an injury risk, made worse by his propensity to run often. I would bet Caleb has a longer career for that reason.

Maybe not Daniels, but it looks like Drake Maye is the best QB from the draft. Caleb has a lot of potential though and needs to improve, but we’ve seen some improvement this year which is a good sign.

All the 1st round QB's are looking legit, with the exception of JJ. Penix has ATL playing really well, and Denver I just saw listed as a top 8 team in power rankings. It will be a few years before a real evaluation can be made, and of course we hope that eventually Caleb's higher ceiling will be reached, but right now it's hard to pick a winner, although as you say, Drake Maye certainly looks very good at the moment.

[Jeffster81]

At this point I really think the only thing keeping us from being a top notch offense is Williams inconsistency when it comes to making basic reads and throws. He gets that settled and I think we have top 10 offense potential.

On defense our pass rush still isn’t good enough. A change needs to be made. I would wait until the deadline to make a move for someone like Simmons or Henderson so we can get a good idea of where the team is.

If we are comped and have a legit shot at making the playoffs, then I would pull the trigger and a move like that (assuming the compensation is reasonable).

Yea thats the problem Caleb still just isn't a very good QB. Anyone that says they wouldn't take Daniels in a do-over is a liar. I honestly think this offense would be better if Bagent was starting. He knows how to hit guys when they're open. Caleb is really bad at that. Look at the 2 pt conversion attempt when Aikman showed in the graphic that he had Monangai wide open for an easy catch, yet didn't throw it to him. Even in that final drive in his completion to Loveland, i noticed on the replay that someone else was a good 5-6 yards deeper behind Loveland that was also open. He leaves yards on the table ALOT.

I saw a tweet that compared Williams and Daniels over the past 18 games or so and the stats show Williams has been the better QB. So if you believe Caleb Williams is not a good quarterback right now, then the same is also true for Jayden Daniels.

And to say any one QB is the best from the draft is a big disservice to all involved. I think Caleb in turn will be the best QB from that draft but I don't think it will be unamious when the day comes when all have retired from the game.

[molepharmer]

The Bears do have three CBs basically out for the season right now, all likely better than N Wright. So not sure CB would be a priority in 2026 draft. Course worst case scenario, it is possible that T Smith's injury severely limits his mobility, Z Frazier continues to have issues and Jaylon can't be counted on to stay healthy. Regardless, they definitely need another safety in case Byard doesn't return and Brisker has another concussion.