Officlal Prospect thread

[Krapinsky]

Patterson could slide to the 3 just as easily as Gomes.

I just think Patterson's skillset clearly favors him to be a 4. I guess he could be forced out of position to fill a team need like Gomes, but I think Patterson is a much better 4 than Gomes.

We're going to have to disagree a little bit then. For one telling stat, out of all the guys I track on my quality opponent stat tracker, Patterson has the worst Reb/36 numbers out of all the SFs, PFs, and Cs (26 players - so no Turner/George/Anderson who are seen as SG/SFs). Playing next to a brutish Cousins likely has something to do with it, but even when Cousins is off the floor he's not cleaning the glass at a high rate.

As far as playstyle, yes, he needs another player to create for him, otherwise he lives off garbage buckets, which makes him appear more like a PF - but I really am not seeing him being starting PF material in the NBA given his lack of height and his strength advantage will all but disappear in the NBA, and his potential defensive issues will be more glaring against the bigger/longer players in the NBA. So for him to get the maximum amount of minutes, he, like Gomes, is going to have to keep tweaking his game so he can see the floor. That's one of the main reasons why I think he added the 3pt shot to his game this year.

Right now is he more of a PF in the NBA? Yes, but he only projects as a bench player in the spot otherwise he'd be a big weak point. Maybe he can pull a David West and shock the world - but David West played bigger than Patterson and he could, to an extent, create for himself thus creating mismatches on offense from the PF spot. I think by giving a team minutes at SF, Patterson can become much more of a mismatch problem on offense and defensively he's got the tools to maybe become adequate.

Just look at his numbers. He averaged 9.3 rebounds per game last year without Cousins. 7.7 this year. I think most would say Patterson projects as a Paul Milslap player at the next level.

[Casperkid23]

Playing next to a brutish Cousins likely has something to do with it, but even when Cousins is off the floor he's not cleaning the glass at a high rate.

Just look at his numbers. He averaged 9.3 rebounds per game last year without Cousins. 7.7 this year. I think most would say Patterson projects as a Paul Milslap player at the next level.

Going to extend your bold. Paul Millsap was a rebounding beast at LSU, Patterson never was that at KU. This year he's not keeping up the average rebounding marks even when Cousins is replaced by one of the other bigs (mainly Orton). Also, Millsap had post skills at LSU besides being a garbage or lob guy, Patterson really only has the latter.

I think his best comparison could very easily be Gomes.

[Worm Guts]

If you put him with a great point guard in a running system, I think he'd really thrive. He can run, he can shoot, and he can finish.

[Krapinsky]

Playing next to a brutish Cousins likely has something to do with it, but even when Cousins is off the floor he's not cleaning the glass at a high rate.

Just look at his numbers. He averaged 9.3 rebounds per game last year without Cousins. 7.7 this year. I think most would say Patterson projects as a Paul Milslap player at the next level.

Going to extend your bold. Paul Millsap was a rebounding beast at LSU, Patterson never was that at KU. This year he's not keeping up the average rebounding marks even when Cousins is replaced by one of the other bigs (mainly Orton). Also, Millsap had post skills at LSU besides being a garbage or lob guy, Patterson really only has the latter.

I think his best comparison could very easily be Gomes.

You couldn't be more wrong here, Casper. Millsap played at Louisiana Tech. That's in the WAC, against juggernauts like Idaho and Boise State. My guess is Patterson would look a lot better against that type of competition. LSU is in the SEC. That's a world of difference.

Common sense suggests that if it is the way you see it Millsap wouldn't have been a 2nd round pick and Patterson a lottery pick.

[Worm Guts]

I don't think Gomes or Millsap are very good comparisons.

[Casperkid23]

You couldn't be more wrong here, Casper. Millsap played at Louisiana Tech. That's in the WAC, against juggernauts like Idaho and Boise State. My guess is Patterson would look a lot better against that type of competition. LSU is in the SEC. That's a world of difference.

Common sense suggests that if it is the way you see it Millsap wouldn't have been a 2nd round pick and Patterson a lottery pick.

Seriously...

I wrote down the wrong team name, changes nothing in my point because it was a mere typo, the team name was not the point of my argument. Millsap played against good schools in college and still cleaned the glass at a much higher rate than Patterson... and I'm not looking at the cream-puff games, much like I'm not doing with Patterson. The rebounding was definitely going to translate to the NBA given his rebounding skills and reach - why he slipped to the second was based on upside outside of that.

I honestly have NO idea how you are trying to argue that he's like Millsap, or are thinking that him playing spot minutes at the 3 initially - and potentially playing minutes at the 3 long-term like Gomes - is ludicrous.



Worm - what do you feel is the best comparison then?

[Worm Guts]

Worm - what do you feel is the best comparison then?

I hate using this name, but I think he's like a poor man's Amare Stoudemire, in that he's a guy who can really take advantage of a great passer. He's just so easy to set up in so many ways. He can beat his guy down the floor, he can finish at the rim, he can hit the open jump shot out to three point range.

[Krapinsky]

Playing next to a brutish Cousins likely has something to do with it, but even when Cousins is off the floor he's not cleaning the glass at a high rate.

Just look at his numbers. He averaged 9.3 rebounds per game last year without Cousins. 7.7 this year. I think most would say Patterson projects as a Paul Milslap player at the next level.

Going to extend your bold. Paul Millsap was a rebounding beast at LSU, Patterson never was that at KU. This year he's not keeping up the average rebounding marks even when Cousins is replaced by one of the other bigs (mainly Orton). Also, Millsap had post skills at LSU besides being a garbage or lob guy, Patterson really only has the latter.

I think his best comparison could very easily be Gomes.

From DX on Millsap (best case scenario Halem) --

Millsap has a fairly soft touch around the basket and knows how to use the glass, even though he clearly prefers to make a statement by throwing down powerful dunks. He can finish with the jump-hook or baby hook shot in and around the paint area, and shoots a very high percentage from the field at 57%.

That is mostly the extent of his offensive game at this point except for some basic spin-moves and a nice baseline jump-shot he will show on occasion, but not nearly enough. He gets his points quietly, within the flow of the offense and doesn’t show anything close to a superstar attitude when he’s not getting enough touches.

Defensively, Millsap blocks a decent amount of shots thanks to his wingspan and leaping ability, but not quite enough (2.2 a game) to make us think that this will completely translate over to the NBA considering his height.

Don’t expect anything flashy out of him, he’s a lunch pail type who will get the job done and go home without making much noise.

[Krapinsky]

Millsap and Patterson also have nearly identical height and wingspans. Obviosuly, Patterson has a better jumper, Millsap is a more tenacious rebounder, but it's not so big of a disparity in how they are utilized.

[moss_is_1]

Evan Turner is such a beast, he's making Minnesota his bitch. 15 points(7-9) 5 assists, 3 steals, and 2 rebounds at halftime.

[Casperkid23]

Krapinsky - I'm confused, what is your point in quoting DX and bolding those lines? Did I not just basically say something very similar to that? Did you not find the entire first paragraph in that quote important?

Patterson has much more than a "baseline jump-shot" and I never saw Millsap attempt more than a few jumpers, most (if not all) nowhere near the 3pt line. Patterson isn't nearly the rebounder Millsap was considered coming out as well, which is one of the main sticking points for me in this comparison.

I honestly don't get it, and would appreciate it if you told me you're basing this only off of DX notes, because then I could just end the conversation and tell you to go back through and read everything DX wrote on Millsap concerning his rebounding and then go and watch KU's myriad of games available on ESPN360 and tell me if Patterson's rebounding reminds you to anything close to DX's rendition of Millsap, or if he almost purely plays on the inside like Millsap did offensively at louisiana tech (no slip of the mind this time).

Edit:

Millsap and Patterson also have nearly identical height and wingspans. Obviosuly, Patterson has a better jumper, Millsap is a more tenacious rebounder, but it's not so big of a disparity in how they are utilized.

After I write out my response I see this. Yes, they are very similar buildwise (though I doubt Patterson has the pterodactyl wingspan - just merely good as in 7'), with Patterson giving up weight but probably not much strength. I do see a big disparity of how they are utilized however, but yeah, the " worthy" post above probably wasn't something you deserved.

I hate using this name, but I think he's like a poor man's Amare Stoudemire, in that he's a guy who can really take advantage of a great passer. He's just so easy to set up in so many ways. He can beat his guy down the floor, he can finish at the rim, he can hit the open jump shot out to three point range.

I can maybe see him becoming that, but Patterson is giving up 2 inches that Stoudemire possesses, as well as athletic talent.

That's why I think he's going to go the route Gomes did out of college and attempt to transition from playing the 4 in college to playing a good portion of his minutes at the 3 in the pros - if there were more players that did this (and had similar builds), I'm sure that I could find a better comparison than Gomes, but in recent memory Gomes the only one that sticks out.

If you go back to the 2006 draft and read reports that came out on Gomes (or take a look at your own stuff as I did), a lot of the skills could be applied to Patterson, though he's been more of a rim-rocker than Gomes.


To each his own however. My stance is that it's going to be a transition process for Patterson, and that's why teams likely won't draft him in the lotto unless a substantial amount of the current prospects don't enter their names in the draft. I see him much more as a mid-first guy in that 15-20 range.

[Krapinsky]

Casper --

I thought it was clear that I pointed out how you overstated Millsap's "post game." Both players are athletic, undersized power forwards, who like to get out and run. Sure there's minor differences in their game, but some of that can be attributed to the different offenses they played in. When making comparisons you have to do so generally. However, I think a Gomes comparisons is off from even a general point of view. Gomes is far less athletic (and always has been) and because of that his game has always had a lot more finesse (which is necessary because of his lack of athleticism). Gomes was never the lunch pail type that I think Patterson, Millsap, or Landry are.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I like Cousins as a starter level player, but he looks kind of soft; I don't think he has the work ethic to be a big time NBA player. Patterson reminds me of Wayne Simien, and I got scared away because I thought Simien was gonna be a good NBA player. Now I figure Patterson as a role player because he doesn't have that freak wingspan that it seems a 6'8 PF needs to be good in the NBA like Elton Brand has. Seems to be a recurring theme where those physical 6'8 PFs can really dominate in college, but they're just another guy in the NBA. Hard to see him as a lotto pick to me.

[Worm Guts]

Simien's was undersized bruiser, but I don't think that's Patterson's game. He's an undersized gazelle, built like a bruiser.

[Krapinsky]

Whatever happened to Wayne? He never got much of a chance.

[big3_8_19_21]

I remember when we traded for him and then cut him...

[Klomp]

Whatever happened to Wayne? He never got much of a chance.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/may/0 ... ps/?sports

[Krapinsky]

Whatever happened to Wayne? He never got much of a chance.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/may/0 ... ps/?sports

Ah, figures. The A's just lost one of their best prospects to the ministry.

I can't wait til Jacksonville uses their first round pick (granted, trading back) on Tebow only to have him blow for two years and then join the ministry.

Is this something to be weighted against prospects in the future? Cons: 20% chance of joining the ministry in his prime.

[Vindicater]

As of Febuary 1st, 2010

Our Pick #2 - Evan Turner

Best fit and 2nd best talent in the draft behind Wall. Becomes our SG of the future.

Charlotte Pick #17 - Larry Sanders

Personally I think this kid could go either way, he could either be a beast or a bust. BUt at this point in the draft with another first rounder to go I would have to say go for the kid with the unbelivable body. The kid is 6'10" with a 7'6" wingspan for gods sake.

Utah Pick #24 - Kyle Singler

I really really like this kid as a small forward in the NBA. I think he will be a 8-10 year vet who can provide the same sort of things that Mike Miller, James Posey and Bobby Sura do, intangibles.

Flynn/Sessions
Turner/Ellington
Brewer/Gomes/Singler
Love/Sanders
Jefferson/Hollins

Rights to Rubio and Pekovic
$$$ to spend in Free agency.

[revprodeji]

I could handle that.