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Re: Kristaps Porzingis has torn his ACL 

Post#841 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:31 pm

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Trav_NYK wrote:this sucks but i guess now we can force a fire sale and tank on


Perry/Mills were planning on buying as of yesterday...I doubt they completely shift gears in 24 hours...


Really? You really don't think they switch gears after losing KP? :-? I disagree with that. It's possible they still don't make trades, but I think they're absolutely trying to trade guys now. They just lost their best player...


Logically...this is the best time to go all in youth movement. Trade everything that isn't nailed down. We can add 2 lottery picks to KP by the time his healing is over and he's ready to roll. He will be back in a year but, he won't be ready to really roll until the 2019 season if ever.

This is the Knicks we are talking about. Logic does not apply.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis has torn his ACL 

Post#842 » by mpharris36 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:34 pm

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Trav_NYK wrote:this sucks but i guess now we can force a fire sale and tank on


Perry/Mills were planning on buying as of yesterday...I doubt they completely shift gears in 24 hours...


Really? You really don't think they switch gears after losing KP? :-? I disagree with that. It's possible they still don't make trades, but I think they're absolutely trying to trade guys now. They just lost their best player...


Honestly I am not going to give credit to Mills/Perry until they prove otherwise. We were 23-31 last night regardless of KP's injury we should have been trading off pieces. We were interested in acquiring talent to help now...so I can't really buy that they totally are ready to tank, its about a "culture" thing with Perry...or whatever nonsense he is spewing....we had a ton of injuries last night and 3 of our lowest MPG guys were Frank, WHG, and Dotson...this franchise gives me no hope.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis has torn his ACL 

Post#843 » by mpharris36 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:36 pm

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Perry/Mills were planning on buying as of yesterday...I doubt they completely shift gears in 24 hours...


Really? You really don't think they switch gears after losing KP? :-? I disagree with that. It's possible they still don't make trades, but I think they're absolutely trying to trade guys now. They just lost their best player...


Logically...this is the best time to go all in youth movement. Trade everything that isn't nailed down. We can add 2 lottery picks to KP by the time his healing is over and he's ready to roll. He will be back in a year but, he won't be ready to really roll until the 2019 season if ever.

This is the Knicks we are talking about. Logic does not apply.


pretty much where im coming from. I think instead of completely breaking it down acquiring whatever we can, take on some bad contracts....we will probably try to acquire guys like Elfrid Payton because Perry likes those type of guys rather then just going young breaking down the roster with its best player on the shelf probably for another year and a half.
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Post#844 » by DickGrayson » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:48 pm

I do agree we should stock pile on prospects however we need saavy veterans on the roster to help the development and give KP a reason to stay in NY.
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Post#845 » by Toranaga » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:49 pm

Jared Dubin is one of my favorite Knicks writers. Very good article here. These quotes especially are alarming...they were made two years ago.

https://fansided.com/2018/02/07/kristaps-porzingis-torn-acl-franchise-altering-event-knicks/

Stotts says the Knicks would be wise to gather information on Porzingis’ biomechanics in order to develop a go-forward plan.

“Is there a connectedness and smoothness to the ankle, the hip? Take that systematic approach to his body,” Stotts said. “If there is something very simple like he’s got tight glutes and that’s putting undue stress on his knee, you want to address that first before you start adding muscle mass. There’s plenty of ways that you can do that — whether it’s range-of-motion activities, strength-training exercises. Some guys do plyometrics — depending on what exactly that weak link in the chain is.

“Then if there’s not any areas of concern and you feel that his overall biomechanical rhythm is good, then you start working on some strength training. But also, you want to start doing basketball-related activities.”

An accumulation of minor injuries isn’t necessarily a cause for concern in and of itself, but that changes when the injuries are all to the same side of the body, which is true of Porzingis.

“It would be irresponsible to ignore the fact that he’s had a left quad injury, a left hip injury, a left IT band injury, all these things in the left,” Stotts said. “Maybe there is something going on with that left kinetic chain. What you really need to do is address the weakest link in that chain if there is something that’s causing him to have a problem in that left side. You got to make sure that these seemingly minor things aren’t all connected and result in something major.”
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Post#846 » by hsnd » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:50 pm

I just saw one of the top surgeons at Hospital for Special Surgery. Brought up KP, said he was there last night. In sum, we are absolutely f***ked. He told me to expect the worst.
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Post#847 » by BadNewsBarnes » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:53 pm

_NYK_ wrote:Jared Dubin is one of my favorite Knicks writers. Very good article here. These quotes especially are alarming...they were made two years ago.

https://fansided.com/2018/02/07/kristaps-porzingis-torn-acl-franchise-altering-event-knicks/

Stotts says the Knicks would be wise to gather information on Porzingis’ biomechanics in order to develop a go-forward plan.

“Is there a connectedness and smoothness to the ankle, the hip? Take that systematic approach to his body,” Stotts said. “If there is something very simple like he’s got tight glutes and that’s putting undue stress on his knee, you want to address that first before you start adding muscle mass. There’s plenty of ways that you can do that — whether it’s range-of-motion activities, strength-training exercises. Some guys do plyometrics — depending on what exactly that weak link in the chain is.

“Then if there’s not any areas of concern and you feel that his overall biomechanical rhythm is good, then you start working on some strength training. But also, you want to start doing basketball-related activities.”

An accumulation of minor injuries isn’t necessarily a cause for concern in and of itself, but that changes when the injuries are all to the same side of the body, which is true of Porzingis.

“It would be irresponsible to ignore the fact that he’s had a left quad injury, a left hip injury, a left IT band injury, all these things in the left,” Stotts said. “Maybe there is something going on with that left kinetic chain. What you really need to do is address the weakest link in that chain if there is something that’s causing him to have a problem in that left side. You got to make sure that these seemingly minor things aren’t all connected and result in something major.”


That is great...we now have a scouting report that he can't go to his left....FFS...
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis has torn his ACL 

Post#848 » by bringinhinkie » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:54 pm

So this is the last time I will post this.

IDK who saw it, who dismissed it, but this summer I made a claim that Porzingis would suffer this exact injury (non-contact valgus collapse aka blown out knee). The reason I keep bringing this up is because it WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he does not bring in new people to work with as far as strength and conditioning / corrective exercise / rehab/ etc.

A torn acl is an EASY rehab if done properly. It is also the easiest injury to prevent if proper cues are in play. It is also guaranteed to reoccur if the fix is not implemented in the first place. All surgery does is fix the place of injury, NOT what caused the injury in the first place. This is why guys are "injury prone" - it isn't bad luck.

Just from this clip (him bench pressing this past summer) I made the claim below (before the season started) he would blow out his knee via a non-contact knee injury:

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they need to fix that knee collapse.. knee collapse + weight coming down = bye bye acl/mcl.. and im not trying to sound like captain nitpick, but its a really really big deal and the cause of non-contact knee blowups.. look up "valgus collapse in athletes".. his is very very very bad.. the knees should be driving outward without compromising at the foot.. this is on every single movement possible (squat pattern, hinge (deadlift pattern), sprinting.. single leg -- everything)

source: I used to work under one of Nike's PTs

i really wish he signed with nike.. their training staff is absolutely loaded.. the best in the industry (gray cook, charlie weingroff, etc)

adidas does not have the best track record with their athletes (not that he seems to be training with them anyway)


non-contact knee injury #1 for porzingis

i will say it again, non-contact knee injuries are 100% preventable.. whether the athlete is 7'3 or 5'3.. his knee mechanics during training are again, some of the worst i have ever seen in a ~ten year career working with athletes

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did his knee blow here? no, but the issue is, it could have because he has that pattern running on auto-program (a collapsed knee) .. being 7'3 only exacerbates the initial issue (but isn't the cause)

hes also has had a bad achilles, something that also goes hand in hand with working with a subpar trainer (to put it nicely)

not posting for attention, posting because this guy has HOF potential and he won't make it to 30 at this rate.. and it is such an easy issue to fix


What does me posting this accomplish? Ultimately nothing because I know it will never reach him. But I have been a knick fan for almost 30 years and my job in life is fixing people like porzingis who already f*cked their bodies up or want to prevent it from occurring. So when I see a sh*tty practice/massive red flag, I cannot help but type up a storm. Especially when that red flag is the young franchise player of my beloved knicks.

Again, this WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he keeps working with the same people. It will be a D-Rose situation all over again, but with our guy and an even superior talent/player.
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Post#849 » by seren » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:54 pm

This is devastating news. Not only the recovery time but also how he will come back from this injury is not a given. The front office must change their approach after the injury. You can't just claim culture ignoring talent level here. You can't go after mediocre guys like Peyton giving up assets and worse lock them to long term contracts. Best approach is to clear cap space for 2019 but gain young assets in the process. That means finding a deal for Lee and get whatever you can get for OQuinn since he is up for extension. Doug is another guy that we may look into moving if he has any value. I would sat Hardaway should be gone too but that is the FO's new shiny toy so that won't happen
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Post#850 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:56 pm

hsnd wrote:I just saw one of the top surgeons at Hospital for Special Surgery. Brought up KP, said he was there last night. In sum, we are absolutely f***ked. He told me to expect the worst.


Elaborate please. Did you see a clip of this, were you there personally, and why should everyone expect the worse? Why is is different than any other torn ACL?

Not criticizing. Legitimately curious.
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Post#851 » by HEZI » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:59 pm

bringinhinkie wrote:So this is the last time I will post this.

IDK who saw it, who dismissed it, but this summer I made a claim that Porzingis would suffer this exact injury (non-contact valgus collapse aka blown out knee). The reason I keep bringing this up is because it WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he does not bring in new people to work with as far as strength and conditioning / corrective exercise / rehab/ etc.

A torn acl is an EASY rehab if done properly. It is also the easiest injury to prevent if proper cues are in play. It is also guaranteed to reoccur if the fix is not implemented in the first place. All surgery does is fix the place of injury, NOT what caused the injury in the first place. This is why guys are "injury prone" - it isn't bad luck.

Just from this clip (him bench pressing this past summer) I made the claim below (before the season started) he would blow out his knee via a non-contact knee injury:

bringinhinkie wrote:
bringinhinkie wrote:
they need to fix that knee collapse.. knee collapse + weight coming down = bye bye acl/mcl.. and im not trying to sound like captain nitpick, but its a really really big deal and the cause of non-contact knee blowups.. look up "valgus collapse in athletes".. his is very very very bad.. the knees should be driving outward without compromising at the foot.. this is on every single movement possible (squat pattern, hinge (deadlift pattern), sprinting.. single leg -- everything)

source: I used to work under one of Nike's PTs

i really wish he signed with nike.. their training staff is absolutely loaded.. the best in the industry (gray cook, charlie weingroff, etc)

adidas does not have the best track record with their athletes (not that he seems to be training with them anyway)


non-contact knee injury #1 for porzingis

i will say it again, non-contact knee injuries are 100% preventable.. whether the athlete is 7'3 or 5'3.. his knee mechanics during training are again, some of the worst i have ever seen in a ~ten year career working with athletes

when you are done contacting your local congressman for net neutrality, do me a favor and contact the knicks to hire me
#notserious#okiamserious#hewillnevergethurtagain

did his knee blow here? no, but the issue is, it could have because he has that pattern running on auto-program (a collapsed knee) .. being 7'3 only exacerbates the initial issue (but isn't the cause)

hes also has had a bad achilles, something that also goes hand in hand with working with a subpar trainer (to put it nicely)

not posting for attention, posting because this guy has HOF potential and he won't make it to 30 at this rate.. and it is such an easy issue to fix


What does me posting this accomplish? Ultimately nothing because I know it will never reach him. But I have been a knick fan for almost 30 years and my job in life is fixing people like porzingis who already f*cked their bodies up or want to prevent it from occurring. So when I see a sh*tty practice/massive red flag, I cannot help but type up a storm. Especially when that red flag is the young franchise player of my beloved knicks.

Again, this WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he keeps working with the same people. It will be a D-Rose situation all over again, but with our guy and an even superior talent/player.


But it wasn't a non-contact injury. He landed awkwardly on Giannis' foot and even his ankle twisted. Was last night really preventable?
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis has torn his ACL 

Post#852 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Feb 7, 2018 2:00 pm

bringinhinkie wrote:So this is the last time I will post this.

IDK who saw it, who dismissed it, but this summer I made a claim that Porzingis would suffer this exact injury (non-contact valgus collapse aka blown out knee). The reason I keep bringing this up is because it WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he does not bring in new people to work with as far as strength and conditioning / corrective exercise / rehab/ etc.

A torn acl is an EASY rehab if done properly. It is also the easiest injury to prevent if proper cues are in play. It is also guaranteed to reoccur if the fix is not implemented in the first place. All surgery does is fix the place of injury, NOT what caused the injury in the first place. This is why guys are "injury prone" - it isn't bad luck.

Just from this clip (him bench pressing this past summer) I made the claim below (before the season started) he would blow out his knee via a non-contact knee injury:

bringinhinkie wrote:
bringinhinkie wrote:
they need to fix that knee collapse.. knee collapse + weight coming down = bye bye acl/mcl.. and im not trying to sound like captain nitpick, but its a really really big deal and the cause of non-contact knee blowups.. look up "valgus collapse in athletes".. his is very very very bad.. the knees should be driving outward without compromising at the foot.. this is on every single movement possible (squat pattern, hinge (deadlift pattern), sprinting.. single leg -- everything)

source: I used to work under one of Nike's PTs

i really wish he signed with nike.. their training staff is absolutely loaded.. the best in the industry (gray cook, charlie weingroff, etc)

adidas does not have the best track record with their athletes (not that he seems to be training with them anyway)


non-contact knee injury #1 for porzingis

i will say it again, non-contact knee injuries are 100% preventable.. whether the athlete is 7'3 or 5'3.. his knee mechanics during training are again, some of the worst i have ever seen in a ~ten year career working with athletes

when you are done contacting your local congressman for net neutrality, do me a favor and contact the knicks to hire me
#notserious#okiamserious#hewillnevergethurtagain

did his knee blow here? no, but the issue is, it could have because he has that pattern running on auto-program (a collapsed knee) .. being 7'3 only exacerbates the initial issue (but isn't the cause)

hes also has had a bad achilles, something that also goes hand in hand with working with a subpar trainer (to put it nicely)

not posting for attention, posting because this guy has HOF potential and he won't make it to 30 at this rate.. and it is such an easy issue to fix


What does me posting this accomplish? Ultimately nothing because I know it will never reach him. But I have been a knick fan for almost 30 years and my job in life is fixing people like porzingis who already f*cked their bodies up or want to prevent it from occurring. So when I see a sh*tty practice/massive red flag, I cannot help but type up a storm. Especially when that red flag is the young franchise player of my beloved knicks.

Again, this WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he keeps working with the same people. It will be a D-Rose situation all over again, but with our guy and an even superior talent/player.


Basically, the Knicks need to move on from KP and his knucklehead brother Janis.
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Post#853 » by hsnd » Wed Feb 7, 2018 2:00 pm

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hsnd wrote:I just saw one of the top surgeons at Hospital for Special Surgery. Brought up KP, said he was there last night. In sum, we are absolutely f***ked. He told me to expect the worst.


Elaborate please. Did you see a clip of this, were you there personally, and why should everyone expect the worse? Why is is different than any other torn ACL?

Not criticizing. Legitimately curious.


It was in person, I’m having shoulder surgery there. He told me his recovery is going to be incredibly difficult due to his height. He really didn’t elaborate but he was pessimistic about the situation.
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Post#854 » by bringinhinkie » Wed Feb 7, 2018 2:01 pm

_NYK_ wrote:Jared Dubin is one of my favorite Knicks writers. Very good article here. These quotes especially are alarming...they were made two years ago.

https://fansided.com/2018/02/07/kristaps-porzingis-torn-acl-franchise-altering-event-knicks/

Stotts says the Knicks would be wise to gather information on Porzingis’ biomechanics in order to develop a go-forward plan.

“Is there a connectedness and smoothness to the ankle, the hip? Take that systematic approach to his body,” Stotts said. “If there is something very simple like he’s got tight glutes and that’s putting undue stress on his knee, you want to address that first before you start adding muscle mass. There’s plenty of ways that you can do that — whether it’s range-of-motion activities, strength-training exercises. Some guys do plyometrics — depending on what exactly that weak link in the chain is.

“Then if there’s not any areas of concern and you feel that his overall biomechanical rhythm is good, then you start working on some strength training. But also, you want to start doing basketball-related activities.”

An accumulation of minor injuries isn’t necessarily a cause for concern in and of itself, but that changes when the injuries are all to the same side of the body, which is true of Porzingis.

“It would be irresponsible to ignore the fact that he’s had a left quad injury, a left hip injury, a left IT band injury, all these things in the left,” Stotts said. “Maybe there is something going on with that left kinetic chain. What you really need to do is address the weakest link in that chain if there is something that’s causing him to have a problem in that left side. You got to make sure that these seemingly minor things aren’t all connected and result in something major.”



Good post.

But I cant tell you for sure there is a problem on both sides, not just his left. It just so happened to be his left.

Again, the initial problem doesn't need to be nitpicked as the fix is the same. Throw the athlete in tight/strict hinges (hamstring dom), band the knees/drive the knees out on everything, fire this pattern even more deliberately with lateral band variations.

I can write about this till i am blue in the face - ULTIMATELY he needs someone working with him that knows what he/she is doing. The execution of the exercise needs to be on-point. And i can promise you from all of my research/connections that 95% of trainers in pro sports do not follow proper practices.

Porzingis would be fixed by a good trainer/PT in 2 weeks tops (i'd argue I could do it in 2 hours - that is how ridiculous this whole situation is). This injury was 100% preventable. One hundred percent.

Instead he is getting friggin acl construction with no assurance that he will work with someone else. People will throw up the "he's 7ft 3, they are prone to knee injuries" -- I can promise you this is NONSENSE. All being 7ft 3 does is potentially exacerbate an issue that is 100% preventable in the first place.
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Post#855 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Feb 7, 2018 2:02 pm

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hsnd wrote:I just saw one of the top surgeons at Hospital for Special Surgery. Brought up KP, said he was there last night. In sum, we are absolutely f***ked. He told me to expect the worst.


Elaborate please. Did you see a clip of this, were you there personally, and why should everyone expect the worse? Why is is different than any other torn ACL?

Not criticizing. Legitimately curious.


It was in person, I’m having shoulder surgery there. He told me his recovery is going to be incredibly difficult due to his height. He really didn’t elaborate but he was pessimistic about the situation.


Interesting. My mom had a knee replacement done by them. It's among the best places in the entire country, so I take what they say seriously.
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Post#856 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Feb 7, 2018 2:04 pm

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_NYK_ wrote:Jared Dubin is one of my favorite Knicks writers. Very good article here. These quotes especially are alarming...they were made two years ago.

https://fansided.com/2018/02/07/kristaps-porzingis-torn-acl-franchise-altering-event-knicks/

Stotts says the Knicks would be wise to gather information on Porzingis’ biomechanics in order to develop a go-forward plan.

“Is there a connectedness and smoothness to the ankle, the hip? Take that systematic approach to his body,” Stotts said. “If there is something very simple like he’s got tight glutes and that’s putting undue stress on his knee, you want to address that first before you start adding muscle mass. There’s plenty of ways that you can do that — whether it’s range-of-motion activities, strength-training exercises. Some guys do plyometrics — depending on what exactly that weak link in the chain is.

“Then if there’s not any areas of concern and you feel that his overall biomechanical rhythm is good, then you start working on some strength training. But also, you want to start doing basketball-related activities.”

An accumulation of minor injuries isn’t necessarily a cause for concern in and of itself, but that changes when the injuries are all to the same side of the body, which is true of Porzingis.

“It would be irresponsible to ignore the fact that he’s had a left quad injury, a left hip injury, a left IT band injury, all these things in the left,” Stotts said. “Maybe there is something going on with that left kinetic chain. What you really need to do is address the weakest link in that chain if there is something that’s causing him to have a problem in that left side. You got to make sure that these seemingly minor things aren’t all connected and result in something major.”



Good post.

But I cant tell you for sure there is a problem on both sides, not just his left. It just so happened to be his left.

Again, the initial problem doesn't need to be nitpicked as the fix is the same. Throw the athlete in tight/strict hinges (hamstring dom), band the knees/drive the knees out on everything, fire this pattern even more deliberately with lateral band variations.

I can write about this till i am blue in the face - ULTIMATELY he needs someone working with him that knows what he/she is doing. The execution of the exercise needs to be on-point. And i can promise you from all of my research/connections that 95% of trainers in pro sports do not follow proper practices.

Porzingis would be fixed by a good trainer/PT in 2 weeks tops (i'd argue I could do it in 2 hours - that is how ridiculous this whole situation is). This injury was 100% preventable. One hundred percent.

Instead he is getting friggin acl construction with no assurance that he will work with someone else. People will throw up the "he's 7ft 3, they are prone to knee injuries" -- I can promise you this is NONSENSE. All being 7ft 3 does is potentially exacerbate an issue that is 100% preventable in the first place.


Since you are somewhat connected in the industry, this celeb trainer guy that KP is working out with that was Shaq's guy etc - does he know what he's doing or his he more rep than quality?
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Post#857 » by IllmaticHandler » Wed Feb 7, 2018 2:05 pm

bringinhinkie wrote:So this is the last time I will post this.

IDK who saw it, who dismissed it, but this summer I made a claim that Porzingis would suffer this exact injury (non-contact valgus collapse aka blown out knee). The reason I keep bringing this up is because it WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he does not bring in new people to work with as far as strength and conditioning / corrective exercise / rehab/ etc.

A torn acl is an EASY rehab if done properly. It is also the easiest injury to prevent if proper cues are in play. It is also guaranteed to reoccur if the fix is not implemented in the first place. All surgery does is fix the place of injury, NOT what caused the injury in the first place. This is why guys are "injury prone" - it isn't bad luck.

Just from this clip (him bench pressing this past summer) I made the claim below (before the season started) he would blow out his knee via a non-contact knee injury:

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they need to fix that knee collapse.. knee collapse + weight coming down = bye bye acl/mcl.. and im not trying to sound like captain nitpick, but its a really really big deal and the cause of non-contact knee blowups.. look up "valgus collapse in athletes".. his is very very very bad.. the knees should be driving outward without compromising at the foot.. this is on every single movement possible (squat pattern, hinge (deadlift pattern), sprinting.. single leg -- everything)

source: I used to work under one of Nike's PTs

i really wish he signed with nike.. their training staff is absolutely loaded.. the best in the industry (gray cook, charlie weingroff, etc)

adidas does not have the best track record with their athletes (not that he seems to be training with them anyway)


non-contact knee injury #1 for porzingis

i will say it again, non-contact knee injuries are 100% preventable.. whether the athlete is 7'3 or 5'3.. his knee mechanics during training are again, some of the worst i have ever seen in a ~ten year career working with athletes

when you are done contacting your local congressman for net neutrality, do me a favor and contact the knicks to hire me
#notserious#okiamserious#hewillnevergethurtagain

did his knee blow here? no, but the issue is, it could have because he has that pattern running on auto-program (a collapsed knee) .. being 7'3 only exacerbates the initial issue (but isn't the cause)

hes also has had a bad achilles, something that also goes hand in hand with working with a subpar trainer (to put it nicely)

not posting for attention, posting because this guy has HOF potential and he won't make it to 30 at this rate.. and it is such an easy issue to fix


What does me posting this accomplish? Ultimately nothing because I know it will never reach him. But I have been a knick fan for almost 30 years and my job in life is fixing people like porzingis who already f*cked their bodies up or want to prevent it from occurring. So when I see a sh*tty practice/massive red flag, I cannot help but type up a storm. Especially when that red flag is the young franchise player of my beloved knicks.

Again, this WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he keeps working with the same people. It will be a D-Rose situation all over again, but with our guy and an even superior talent/player.



I remember you saying this in the summer
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis has torn his ACL 

Post#858 » by GONYK » Wed Feb 7, 2018 2:05 pm

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_NYK_ wrote:Jared Dubin is one of my favorite Knicks writers. Very good article here. These quotes especially are alarming...they were made two years ago.

https://fansided.com/2018/02/07/kristaps-porzingis-torn-acl-franchise-altering-event-knicks/




Good post.

But I cant tell you for sure there is a problem on both sides, not just his left. It just so happened to be his left.

Again, the initial problem doesn't need to be nitpicked as the fix is the same. Throw the athlete in tight/strict hinges (hamstring dom), band the knees/drive the knees out on everything, fire this pattern even more deliberately with lateral band variations.

I can write about this till i am blue in the face - ULTIMATELY he needs someone working with him that knows what he/she is doing. The execution of the exercise needs to be on-point. And i can promise you from all of my research/connections that 95% of trainers in pro sports do not follow proper practices.

Porzingis would be fixed by a good trainer/PT in 2 weeks tops (i'd argue I could do it in 2 hours - that is how ridiculous this whole situation is). This injury was 100% preventable. One hundred percent.

Instead he is getting friggin acl construction with no assurance that he will work with someone else. People will throw up the "he's 7ft 3, they are prone to knee injuries" -- I can promise you this is NONSENSE. All being 7ft 3 does is potentially exacerbate an issue that is 100% preventable in the first place.


Since you are somewhat connected in the industry, this celeb trainer guy that KP is working out with that was Shaq's guy etc - does he know what he's doing or his he more rep than quality?


There are a few athletes who swore by that guy, though it was controversial that he had KP doing squats.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis has torn his ACL 

Post#859 » by bringinhinkie » Wed Feb 7, 2018 2:06 pm

HEZI wrote:
bringinhinkie wrote:So this is the last time I will post this.

IDK who saw it, who dismissed it, but this summer I made a claim that Porzingis would suffer this exact injury (non-contact valgus collapse aka blown out knee). The reason I keep bringing this up is because it WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he does not bring in new people to work with as far as strength and conditioning / corrective exercise / rehab/ etc.

A torn acl is an EASY rehab if done properly. It is also the easiest injury to prevent if proper cues are in play. It is also guaranteed to reoccur if the fix is not implemented in the first place. All surgery does is fix the place of injury, NOT what caused the injury in the first place. This is why guys are "injury prone" - it isn't bad luck.

Just from this clip (him bench pressing this past summer) I made the claim below (before the season started) he would blow out his knee via a non-contact knee injury:

bringinhinkie wrote:
non-contact knee injury #1 for porzingis

i will say it again, non-contact knee injuries are 100% preventable.. whether the athlete is 7'3 or 5'3.. his knee mechanics during training are again, some of the worst i have ever seen in a ~ten year career working with athletes

when you are done contacting your local congressman for net neutrality, do me a favor and contact the knicks to hire me
#notserious#okiamserious#hewillnevergethurtagain

did his knee blow here? no, but the issue is, it could have because he has that pattern running on auto-program (a collapsed knee) .. being 7'3 only exacerbates the initial issue (but isn't the cause)

hes also has had a bad achilles, something that also goes hand in hand with working with a subpar trainer (to put it nicely)

not posting for attention, posting because this guy has HOF potential and he won't make it to 30 at this rate.. and it is such an easy issue to fix


What does me posting this accomplish? Ultimately nothing because I know it will never reach him. But I have been a knick fan for almost 30 years and my job in life is fixing people like porzingis who already f*cked their bodies up or want to prevent it from occurring. So when I see a sh*tty practice/massive red flag, I cannot help but type up a storm. Especially when that red flag is the young franchise player of my beloved knicks.

Again, this WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he keeps working with the same people. It will be a D-Rose situation all over again, but with our guy and an even superior talent/player.


But it wasn't a non-contact injury. He landed awkwardly on Giannis' foot and even his ankle twisted. Was last night really preventable?


i didn't see the best view -- but even if he did indeed come down on the foot, if the knee collapse was properly fixed before the season, coming down on the foot only would have resulted in the classic bruce-bowen-causing high ankle sprain

porzingis's knees are on autopilot to always collapse .. this is a walking time-bomb ..

guys do not blow out their knees even if they slightly come down on a foot .. if the knee is stable, it just results in an ankle sprain

his first knee injury this season was exactly the same, minus the potential coming down on a foot .. non-contact valgus collapse.. but again it is moot, because if the knee/hip was addressed, it wouldn't have even been affected by the foot contact
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis has torn his ACL 

Post#860 » by GONYK » Wed Feb 7, 2018 2:07 pm

bringinhinkie wrote:
HEZI wrote:
bringinhinkie wrote:So this is the last time I will post this.

IDK who saw it, who dismissed it, but this summer I made a claim that Porzingis would suffer this exact injury (non-contact valgus collapse aka blown out knee). The reason I keep bringing this up is because it WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he does not bring in new people to work with as far as strength and conditioning / corrective exercise / rehab/ etc.

A torn acl is an EASY rehab if done properly. It is also the easiest injury to prevent if proper cues are in play. It is also guaranteed to reoccur if the fix is not implemented in the first place. All surgery does is fix the place of injury, NOT what caused the injury in the first place. This is why guys are "injury prone" - it isn't bad luck.

Just from this clip (him bench pressing this past summer) I made the claim below (before the season started) he would blow out his knee via a non-contact knee injury:



What does me posting this accomplish? Ultimately nothing because I know it will never reach him. But I have been a knick fan for almost 30 years and my job in life is fixing people like porzingis who already f*cked their bodies up or want to prevent it from occurring. So when I see a sh*tty practice/massive red flag, I cannot help but type up a storm. Especially when that red flag is the young franchise player of my beloved knicks.

Again, this WILL HAPPEN AGAIN if he keeps working with the same people. It will be a D-Rose situation all over again, but with our guy and an even superior talent/player.


But it wasn't a non-contact injury. He landed awkwardly on Giannis' foot and even his ankle twisted. Was last night really preventable?


i didn't see the best view -- but even if he did indeed come down on the foot, if the knee collapse was properly fixed before the season, coming down on the foot only would have resulted in the classic bruce-bowen-causing high ankle sprain

porzingis's knees are on autopilot to always collapse .. this is a walking time-bomb ..

guys do not blow out their knees even if they slightly come down on a foot .. if the knee is stable, it just results in an ankle sprain

his first knee injury this season was exactly the same, minus the potential coming down on a foot .. non-contact valgus collapse.. but again it is moot, because if the knee/hip was addressed, it wouldn't have even been affected by the foot contact


Biggest question:

Is this problem recoverable and fixable going forward?

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