Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[themoneyteam2]

I mean I’m not a huge Turner guy but if Celtics aren’t going to re-sign Hayward next summer then it’s better to have Turner than nothing in my opinion.

If Hayward walks then we still have no cap space to sign anyone. Turner is also 24 yrs old and I think would look a lot better in Celtics system.

I love Theis and he was a solid starter. Just imagine him as the backup big though - just absolutely filthy!

[SmartWentCrazy]

I mean I’m not a huge Turner guy but if Celtics aren’t going to re-sign Hayward next summer then it’s better to have Turner than nothing in my opinion.

If Hayward walks then we still have no cap space to sign anyone. Turner is also 24 yrs old and I think would look a lot better in Celtics system.

I love Theis and he was a solid starter. Just imagine him as the backup big though - just absolutely filthy!

Think its more of a ‘no chance they trade us Turner for Hayward’ than us turning him down.

[playa-hater]

I don't care to get in to any details, but do want to add, that I was a former D2 College player and my son was a former D1 player.. what I have learned first hand X1000 from my experiences through HS AAU and College (and watching the NBA as well) is that a players situation can GREATLY affect the type of "stats" they put up... teammates, systems, opportunities given, a players role.. how teammates can set him up, spacing etc....

There are some stats that matter while others are overrated..

My point is I believe a player like Myles Turner May (or may not of course) blossom tremendously given who his teammates are, his fit and Stevens coaching system..

He may end up getting much better looks because of a player like Tatum drawing double teams.. His defensive efficiency may also increase greatly, again, because of who his teammates are..

Long story short, Boston would still need to replace GH if traded for MT.. I like my wings, but I for one would make this trade happen..

[robbie84]

I mean I’m not a huge Turner guy but if Celtics aren’t going to re-sign Hayward next summer then it’s better to have Turner than nothing in my opinion.

If Hayward walks then we still have no cap space to sign anyone. Turner is also 24 yrs old and I think would look a lot better in Celtics system.

I love Theis and he was a solid starter. Just imagine him as the backup big though - just absolutely filthy!

Think its more of a ‘no chance they trade us Turner for Hayward’ than us turning him down.

No chance? If they want Sabonis as their big man, and they want Hayward, it seems pretty plausible to me?

Throwing in a pick might be needed but nothing major if we take back some salary.
We could even nab PJ Tucker with some sweetener as a bench scorer.

Hayward+ Carson Edwards+#24
For
TJ warren
Turner
Leaf

Indiana probably wants Langford (Indiana kid) and Ainge grits his teeth to keep him.
We get bench scorer in Warren which gives us bench unit of Smart, Warren, Theis and starting unit of
Kemba
Brown
Tatum
G Williams or Warren (moving Williams to bench)
Turner

Tough, tough team.

[Darth Celtic]

I mean I’m not a huge Turner guy but if Celtics aren’t going to re-sign Hayward next summer then it’s better to have Turner than nothing in my opinion.

If Hayward walks then we still have no cap space to sign anyone. Turner is also 24 yrs old and I think would look a lot better in Celtics system.

I love Theis and he was a solid starter. Just imagine him as the backup big though - just absolutely filthy!

Think its more of a ‘no chance they trade us Turner for Hayward’ than us turning him down.

No chance? If they want Sabonis as their big man, and they want Hayward, it seems pretty plausible to me?

Throwing in a pick might be needed but nothing major if we take back some salary.
We could even nab PJ Tucker with some sweetener as a bench scorer.

Hayward+ Carson Edwards+#24
For
Tucker
Turner
TJ leaf

Indiana probably wants Langford (Indiana kid) and Ainge grits his teeth to keep him.
We get bench scorer in Tucker which gives us bench unit of Smart, Tucker, Theis and starting unit of
Kemba
Brown
Tatum
G Williams or Tucker (moving Williams to bench)
Turner

Tough, tough team.

except the pacers have nobody on there roster named pj tucker.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I mean I’m not a huge Turner guy but if Celtics aren’t going to re-sign Hayward next summer then it’s better to have Turner than nothing in my opinion.

If Hayward walks then we still have no cap space to sign anyone. Turner is also 24 yrs old and I think would look a lot better in Celtics system.

I love Theis and he was a solid starter. Just imagine him as the backup big though - just absolutely filthy!

Think its more of a ‘no chance they trade us Turner for Hayward’ than us turning him down.

No chance? If they want Sabonis as their big man, and they want Hayward, it seems pretty plausible to me?

Throwing in a pick might be needed but nothing major if we take back some salary.
We could even nab PJ Tucker with some sweetener as a bench scorer.

Hayward+ Carson Edwards+#24
For
Tucker
Turner
TJ leaf

Indiana probably wants Langford (Indiana kid) and Ainge grits his teeth to keep him.
We get bench scorer in Tucker which gives us bench unit of Smart, Tucker, Theis and starting unit of
Kemba
Brown
Tatum
G Williams or Tucker (moving Williams to bench)
Turner

Tough, tough team.

They could trade Turner for more value than Hayward, though. Wanting to break up their bigs isnt a reason to take less on a deal. Many teams would want Turner.

Also, Bjorkgren comes from Toronto and using both bigs in a zone could be really interesting. Not sure they look to break them up.

[robbie84]

Think its more of a ‘no chance they trade us Turner for Hayward’ than us turning him down.

No chance? If they want Sabonis as their big man, and they want Hayward, it seems pretty plausible to me?

Throwing in a pick might be needed but nothing major if we take back some salary.
We could even nab PJ Tucker with some sweetener as a bench scorer.

Hayward+ Carson Edwards+#24
For
Tucker
Turner
TJ leaf

Indiana probably wants Langford (Indiana kid) and Ainge grits his teeth to keep him.
We get bench scorer in Tucker which gives us bench unit of Smart, Tucker, Theis and starting unit of
Kemba
Brown
Tatum
G Williams or Tucker (moving Williams to bench)
Turner

Tough, tough team.

except the pacers have nobody on there roster named pj tucker.

Fixed (to TJ Warren)

[Asian Celtic]

More fun:

Bam had a net rating of +21 in the playoffs vs the Pacers with Turner on and a net rating of +13 with Turner off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1626167&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612754

Bam had a net rating of 0 vs the Celtics with Theis on and a net rating of +3 with him off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1628464&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612738

But yes, lets go on and pretend that Turner is something he’s not.

We exchange them with their supporting roster and defensive schemes, what would Theis be with indy's non all defensive supporting cast? Not everything is as simple as stats.

[Asian Celtic]

So hard to understand when even if we all agree that we neee an upgrade in the Center position, a lot of people want a center that can space the floor, block shots, defend guards, and cannot be abused by Embiid or Adebayo.

The only player I can think of is Anthony Freaking Davis. What the actual ****. Unrealistic.

[SmartWentCrazy]

More fun:

Bam had a net rating of +21 in the playoffs vs the Pacers with Turner on and a net rating of +13 with Turner off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1626167&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612754

Bam had a net rating of 0 vs the Celtics with Theis on and a net rating of +3 with him off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1628464&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612738

But yes, lets go on and pretend that Turner is something he’s not.

We exchange them with their supporting roster and defensive schemes, what would Theis be with indy's non all defensive supporting cast? Not everything is as simple as stats.

Turner is better than Theis. But Turner isnt who a lot of people think he is. He wouldnt solve our problems against physical bigs and I dont think he’s the best use of resources as a target. Indy wouldnt trade him for Hayward and would want significantly more for him. Its not a good fit.

[SmartWentCrazy]

So hard to understand when even if we all agree that we neee an upgrade in the Center position, a lot of people want a center that can space the floor, block shots, defend guards, and cannot be abused by Embiid or Adebayo.

The only player I can think of is Anthony Freaking Davis. What the actual ****. Unrealistic.

We dont need spacing the floor or blocking shots. Just need one to be okay on switches and not beasted against by a physical big.

[captain green]

I'm not as down on Turner as most of you. He is 24 and no motor guy on that pacers team, if say you put him here with several motor guys I'd imagine he could get much much better. At 24 not much older than a rookie and not much in the mle bargain bin. So it should be looked at as move of upside and fit. If we could somehow get picks back I'm for it.

[Asian Celtic]

So hard to understand when even if we all agree that we neee an upgrade in the Center position, a lot of people want a center that can space the floor, block shots, defend guards, and cannot be abused by Embiid or Adebayo.

The only player I can think of is Anthony Freaking Davis. What the actual ****. Unrealistic.

We dont need spacing the floor or blocking shots. Just need one to be okay on switches and not beasted against by a physical big.

List of bigs that can defend Embiid, Jokic, Adebayo, Davis by physicality off the top of my head in no particular order.

1) Howard
2) Marjanovic
3) Biyombo
4) Ibaka
5) Fall
6) McGee
7) Sabonis
8) Gobert
9) Vucevic
10) Drummond
11) Valanciunas
12) Favors
13) Whiteside
14) Adams
15) Holmes
16) DeAndre

Then out of those in the list that can switch against forwards / guards.

1) None

Sad list.

[flintsky21]

So hard to understand when even if we all agree that we neee an upgrade in the Center position, a lot of people want a center that can space the floor, block shots, defend guards, and cannot be abused by Embiid or Adebayo.

These are the exact reasons I wouldn't ever want Jokic or Towns on this team.

[ConstableGeneva]

We **** swept the Sixers who had Embiid. Who cares if he averaged 40 points and 20 rebounds. We weren't outrebounded in the Miami series. We weren't outscored in the paint. We were the 2nd best playoff team in defending within 3 feet of the rim (behind Utah). So to me, our "lack of physical, rim-protecting, rebounding bigs" wasn't the primary reason we lost to the Heat.

Our inability to pressure the ball and our inability to contain their player movement were the main culprits imo. Dragic got wherever he wanted on the floor. Their shooters got away from our defenders constantly. Passing and cutting lanes were open. Sure, you'd wish your last line of defense was Anthony Davis but you also wish our guards/wings did a better job with their individual assignments, with communicating, and with executing scheme.

I would point to our defensive guard play and scheme first before pointing a finger on Theis. But of course, people will just remember the consecutive possessions Bam overpowered Theis in the 4th qtr of game 6 and ignore the fact the we let a rookie put up 37 points on us or that late in games, our crappy offense was also our worst defense. Chucking up threes often led to runouts or easy transition points for Miami. None of that was on Theis' lack of size or physicality.

[Parliament10]

3 Players for = Hayward
Pick #47 to = Take Poirier
#26 & #30 for = 2021, 1st Rounder

[Darthlukey]

So hard to understand when even if we all agree that we neee an upgrade in the Center position, a lot of people want a center that can space the floor, block shots, defend guards, and cannot be abused by Embiid or Adebayo.

These are the exact reasons I wouldn't ever want Jokic or Towns on this team.

Also, does such a player, maybe outside "suddenly not made of glass Anthony davis" even exist?

[Darthlukey]

So hard to understand when even if we all agree that we neee an upgrade in the Center position, a lot of people want a center that can space the floor, block shots, defend guards, and cannot be abused by Embiid or Adebayo.

The only player I can think of is Anthony Freaking Davis. What the actual ****. Unrealistic.

We dont need spacing the floor or blocking shots. Just need one to be okay on switches and not beasted against by a physical big.

List of bigs that can defend Embiid, Jokic, Adebayo, Davis by physicality off the top of my head in no particular order.

1) Howard
2) Marjanovic
3) Biyombo
4) Ibaka
5) Fall
6) McGee
7) Sabonis
8) Gobert
9) Vucevic
10) Drummond
11) Valanciunas
12) Favors
13) Whiteside
14) Adams
15) Holmes
16) DeAndre

Then out of those in the list that can switch against forwards / guards.

1) None

Sad list.

You are bang on right there

[robbie84]

I mean, I Like Turner but if we could somehow get Baynes back that would be just as good for the short term.
I do like the idea of having Turner locked up for multiple years whilst also guaranteeing were getting something for Hayward's cap hold.

[klemen4]

Boston and Indy imo are a great fit for Hayward trade.

I see two options:

1) Hayward for Turner/Lamb

We get starting C and very good scoring guard. If we do not want Lamb because of his 21/22 10 million salary than there is 2nd option.

2) Hayward for Turner/ McDermott/ McConnell

Both MCs are expiring, but imo would be good bench pieces.