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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#841 » by bad knees » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:45 am

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Wingy wrote:I don’t know as Nance is realistic though as they are supposedly looking to upgrade around Dame. What kind of message does it send Dame if they jettison an offseason upgrade for money? Might be a way to actually push him out of town when he doesn’t actually want to leave I suppose.

If I were them I’d be trying to sell him on a stealth tank, but who knows if he’d buy into that at his age.


Stealth tank is their best option. Who the heck knows. It’s plausible though.


Of course they just beat BKN. So really who knows. Just have to see what AKME can pull off.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#842 » by BullChit » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:39 am

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Wingy wrote:I don’t know as Nance is realistic though as they are supposedly looking to upgrade around Dame. What kind of message does it send Dame if they jettison an offseason upgrade for money? Might be a way to actually push him out of town when he doesn’t actually want to leave I suppose.

If I were them I’d be trying to sell him on a stealth tank, but who knows if he’d buy into that at his age.


Stealth tank is their best option. Who the heck knows. It’s plausible though.


Of course they just beat BKN. So really who knows. Just have to see what AKME can pull off.


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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#843 » by sco » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:23 pm

bad knees wrote:
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Wingy wrote:I don’t know as Nance is realistic though as they are supposedly looking to upgrade around Dame. What kind of message does it send Dame if they jettison an offseason upgrade for money? Might be a way to actually push him out of town when he doesn’t actually want to leave I suppose.

If I were them I’d be trying to sell him on a stealth tank, but who knows if he’d buy into that at his age.


Stealth tank is their best option. Who the heck knows. It’s plausible though.


Of course they just beat BKN. So really who knows. Just have to see what AKME can pull off.

IMO, POR's will end up trading Dame at either the deadline or next offseason. But even if they keep him, doing a deal with us where they get their pick back that they can pair with McCollum or Simons to bring back another allstar or near allstar is their best strategy.

Our problem in doing a deal with POR is that we'd need need to include either White or Pat because of salary matching (since we can't trade them back DJJ...unless we can make it a 3way deal).
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#844 » by bad knees » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:35 pm

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bad knees wrote:
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Stealth tank is their best option. Who the heck knows. It’s plausible though.


Of course they just beat BKN. So really who knows. Just have to see what AKME can pull off.

IMO, POR's will end up trading Dame at either the deadline or next offseason. But even if they keep him, doing a deal with us where they get their pick back that they can pair with McCollum or Simons to bring back another allstar or near allstar is their best strategy.

Our problem in doing a deal with POR is that we'd need need to include either White or Pat because of salary matching (since we can't trade them back DJJ...unless we can make it a 3way deal).


If we trade for Nance rather than RoCo, then TBJ, Thomas and Marko will work with the trade rules and keep us just below the lux tax line. No need to include anyone else, including PWill or Coby.

With regard to their pick that we have and the possibility of them using FRPs in a big trade (say McCollum plus FRPs for Simmons), we actually have a huge amount of leverage. Because it is protected until 2028, the first FRP that POR can trade right now is its 2030 pick, which obviously is unappealing. To get in position for such a trade, they will have to give us something big to get the pick back. Or make the pick unprotected, which means that they could then trade their 2024, 2026 and 2028 picks. In which case we potentially could get a lottery pick in this summer’s draft. Just something to keep our eye on.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#845 » by sco » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:41 pm

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sco wrote:
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Of course they just beat BKN. So really who knows. Just have to see what AKME can pull off.

IMO, POR's will end up trading Dame at either the deadline or next offseason. But even if they keep him, doing a deal with us where they get their pick back that they can pair with McCollum or Simons to bring back another allstar or near allstar is their best strategy.

Our problem in doing a deal with POR is that we'd need need to include either White or Pat because of salary matching (since we can't trade them back DJJ...unless we can make it a 3way deal).


If we trade for Nance rather than RoCo, then TBJ, Thomas and Marko will work with the trade rules and keep us just below the lux tax line. No need to include anyone else, including PWill or Coby.

With regard to their pick that we have and the possibility of them using FRPs in a big trade (say McCollum plus FRPs for Simmons), we actually have a huge amount of leverage. Because it is protected until 2028, the first FRP that POR can trade right now is its 2030 pick, which obviously is unappealing. To get in position for such a trade, they will have to give us something big to get the pick back. Or make the pick unprotected, which means that they could then trade their 2024, 2026 and 2028 picks. In which case we potentially could get a lottery pick in this summer’s draft. Just something to keep our eye on.

Really good points!
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#846 » by StunnerKO » Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:08 pm

Marcus Morris in Chicago for DJJ and TBJ
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#847 » by jump » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:36 pm

StunnerKO wrote:Marcus Morris in Chicago for DJJ and TBJ


Now is the perfect time. Or Batum?
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#848 » by bad knees » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:56 pm

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StunnerKO wrote:Marcus Morris in Chicago for DJJ and TBJ


Now is the perfect time. Or Batum?


Batum looks like the better option - better DBPM, better 3 pt %, cheaper this year (3M v. 15M), better long term (Batum has a player option for next season at 3M; MM has two more years guaranteed at 16M per year). I'd offer Marko plus the POR pick for Batum. It works because both teams have TPEs that can receive the other team's player, the exchange keeps us below the lux tax line, and the trade saves the Clips $2M in salary plus lux tax.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#849 » by nomorezorro » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 pm

i'm still skeptical about the clippers giving up useful players under contract beyond this season, but i wonder if you could get them to bite on a deal where they get back javonte in return. gives them a cheap rotation guy they can keep next year, and we can afford to sacrifice a defensive guard to get someone with more size
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#850 » by MGB8 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:03 pm

bad knees wrote:
jump wrote:
StunnerKO wrote:Marcus Morris in Chicago for DJJ and TBJ


Now is the perfect time. Or Batum?


Batum looks like the better option - better DBPM, better 3 pt %, cheaper this year (3M v. 15M), better long term (Batum has a player option for next season at 3M; MM has two more years guaranteed at 16M per year). I'd offer Marko plus the POR pick for Batum. It works because both teams have TPEs that can receive the other team's player, the exchange keeps us below the lux tax line, and the trade saves the Clips $2M in salary plus lux tax.


I like this idea. If Portland turns into sellers and the Portland pick plus filler is enough for Batum, they should go for it.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#851 » by HomoSapien » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:25 pm

Batum is the guy, he’d be the perfect pickup.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#852 » by bad knees » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:31 pm

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bad knees wrote:
jump wrote:
Now is the perfect time. Or Batum?


Batum looks like the better option - better DBPM, better 3 pt %, cheaper this year (3M v. 15M), better long term (Batum has a player option for next season at 3M; MM has two more years guaranteed at 16M per year). I'd offer Marko plus the POR pick for Batum. It works because both teams have TPEs that can receive the other team's player, the exchange keeps us below the lux tax line, and the trade saves the Clips $2M in salary plus lux tax.


I like this idea. If Portland turns into sellers and the Portland pick plus filler is enough for Batum, they should go for it.


And if the POR frp is deemed too rich a price to pay, we can take back one or two 2nd round picks. We could use some and LAC has plenty to spare.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#853 » by VolumePoster » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:34 pm

I know I mentioned it previously but I see the clippers as deadline sellers. Wiretap now mentions the same.

The target I like is Morris. Adds size, toughness, three point shooting, and lots of playoff experience. Can he help with giannis or Durant? I guess almost as much as Grant albeit for a fraction of the cost.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#854 » by HomoSapien » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:43 pm

bad knees wrote:
MGB8 wrote:
bad knees wrote:
Batum looks like the better option - better DBPM, better 3 pt %, cheaper this year (3M v. 15M), better long term (Batum has a player option for next season at 3M; MM has two more years guaranteed at 16M per year). I'd offer Marko plus the POR pick for Batum. It works because both teams have TPEs that can receive the other team's player, the exchange keeps us below the lux tax line, and the trade saves the Clips $2M in salary plus lux tax.


I like this idea. If Portland turns into sellers and the Portland pick plus filler is enough for Batum, they should go for it.


And if the POR frp is deemed too rich a price to pay, we can take back one or two 2nd round picks. We could use some and LAC has plenty to spare.


The 1st round pick does seem a little steep. Maybe we can expand it to include DJJ and Ibaka too. It would sting to lose Jones, but getting Batum and Ibaka heading into the post-season would really cement us as a playoff ready team.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#855 » by Wingy » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:51 pm

VolumePoster wrote:I know I mentioned it previously but I see the clippers as deadline sellers. Wiretap now mentions the same.

The target I like is Morris. Adds size, toughness, three point shooting, and lots of playoff experience. Can he help with giannis or Durant? I guess almost as much as Grant albeit for a fraction of the cost.


No deal! Morris twins have always rubbed me the wrong way.

1. Suspect he wouldn’t fit well w/our team chemistry.
2. Even a minuscule chance of upsetting the Jokic family with such a move it not worth it!
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Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#856 » by StunnerKO » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:54 pm

Morris would be gone before joker is even here I rather have Morris on my team in the playoffs bothering other than us


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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#857 » by prolific passer » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:01 pm

Bulls just need a solid power forward? So is the most solid power forward who is also the most gettable on the market that the bulls can get?
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#858 » by HomoSapien » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:21 pm

Okay, assuming the rumor that the Clippers are going to be sellers is true I’ll suggest:

Bulls Trade:
Derrick Jones Jr.
Matt Thomas
Marco Simonovic
Portland’s 1st Round Pick

Clippers Trade
Nicholas Batam
Serge Ibaka

DJJ is quietly having a strong season for the Bulls, so losing him stings but replacing him with two playoff tested veterans is a win. The Clippers, who apparently are looking to get younger and retool, get to take a look at the 24-year-old athletic swingman while also adding a future first round pick to their arsenal.

New Bulls Depth Chart:

C. Vuc/Ibaka/Bradley
PF. Batum/Green/Williams*
SF. DeRozan/Brown Jr./McKinnie
SG.LaVine/Caruso/
PG.Ball/White/Ayo
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#859 » by PistolP » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:40 pm

HomoSapien wrote:New Bulls Depth Chart:

C. Vuc/Ibaka/Bradley
PF. Batum/Green/Williams*
SF. DeRozan/Brown Jr./McKinnie
SG.LaVine/Caruso/
PG.Ball/White/Ayo

I like this roster for the playoffs.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#860 » by nomorezorro » Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:18 pm

what's the benefit of giving up djj for ibaka?
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