Trade Pascal to Portland/Warriors?

[OakleyDokely]

You have no actual idea who values what player at what price. The "market" is not speaking at all to you about anything. All we currently have are reports that the pick is for sale because the Blazers want to get Lillard some help, and then that 3 and Simons are possibly not enough for OG or Mikal Bridges. Statements made by national connected reporters, not Raptors or Nets fans.

There are lots of reasons for fans the Raps to want to trade Siakam (or OG), and the Nets to trade Bridges that have nothing to do with how good they would be in Portland next to Lillard.

There was a ‘correction tweet’ yesterday that said the Zach Lowe information was taken out of context, and that it was the OG side of the equation that was not enough for the #3/Simons side.

Take it for what is worth.

Actually listening to it, he is saying neither OG or Bridges for 3 & Simons gets the Blazers to the finals. Which...sure.

Ya, Zach's point was that adding Bridges or OG wouldn't make the Blazer a legit contender.

[OakleyDokely]

It's actually a lot easier to make a deal with HOU as they're able to absorb some salary without having to send the same money back. If they do intend to sign Harden and expediate the team building, one of OG/Siakam would make sense for them. I think they're probably a better target in a trade up scenario.

[tacosman]

It's actually a lot easier to make a deal with HOU as they're able to absorb some salary without having to send the same money back. If they do intend to sign Harden and expediate the team building, one of OG/Siakam would make sense for them. I think they're probably a better target in a trade up scenario.

I think that's also a little more realistic(although Im not sure houston would do #4 for pascal or OG) as the #4 in this draft isn't as valuable as the #3.

Over on the detroit board there was some discussion about #5 for one of these guys, and I think that's probably closer in terms of value(especially if you can get a good vibe on a reasonable extension for whichever one it is).....

[mtcan]

Basically the hole Warriors team was focused on stopping Leonard on that play , and if it were not for Leonard we don't even get past Philly , you know the series where Siakam did nothing after game one or the Bucks where Siakam choked at the line in OT in game 3 and was average that whole series. Siakam was not even the clear #2 option during our title run, it was Leonard and then a different guy every night stepping up as the #2 option. Outside of the series against the Magic there was no clear #2 option, one night is was Siakam another night Fred another night Lowry another night Serge

Then you need to look at what has the team done since Leonard left town? nothing because Siakam has no business in a top option role and his stats are just empty stats. Good player but not taking your team anywhere unless you have him in a 2A OR 2B role

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Pascal is a top offensive option. The consensus is that he is a legit second or third option...and guess what a team like Portland needs? A capable second option to play with Dame. Doesn't hurt that Pacal can play make for teammates, rebound and defend.

Pascal is probably the best all-round player that Dame will have ever played with. LaMarcus Aldridge was good but he was never the defender and playmaker Pascal is and CJ while being a better scorer lacks in almost every other facet compared to Paacal. Jerami Grant comes close but he still ain't him.

Adding Pascal and resigning Jerami Grant gives the Blazers 2 very good defensive wings that can guard 5 positions.

If the Blazers would expand a trade to include also Shaedon Sharpe and expand a trade to include OG...imagine a line-up of:

Dame
OG
Grant
Siakam
free agent center like Christian Wood/Vuc/Mason Plumlee/Dwight Powell/etc.

That is a menacing wing combination with OG, Siakam and Grant guarding the opponents' best offensive players...and all these guys score some as well.

The main issue with the Blazer in the last 7 years was lack of shooting and defence. While not knock-down 3 point shooters...OG, Pascal and Jerami Grant can all make a 3 at a decent clip but they won't kill you on D.

I played around with the salaries on Portland and Toronto a lot during the trade deadline with Siakam and OG going the other way (I do think OG and Siakam is way higher than the #3, Sharpe and Simons, but that upcoming salary increase for both players and Siakam's age kind of knock their value down a bit). I'm not sure if we can make the salaries work anymore, but they have some decent assets for sure. It's essentially the team we wanted to build here but didn't have the assets to acquire Dame.

Ya...this is what has been fundamentally wrong with this team since Kawhi left...the lack of a legit shot making first option.

Replace Fred VanVleet with a legit shotmaker and we are a significantly better team. Defensively...this past season's team was winning the possession game and playing solid D. The problem was putting the ball in the hands of point guard with a career 38% fg% bricking on those extra possessions. Also...late game execution was an issue with guys adopting a me-first attitude. We need a reliable scorer in the clutch.

How do we get one of those? Trade for one or try and draft/develop one. No one lining up trade us a Dame or Luka or whoever...so it's the latter option we should be looking to.

[tacosman]

Basically the hole Warriors team was focused on stopping Leonard on that play , and if it were not for Leonard we don't even get past Philly , you know the series where Siakam did nothing after game one or the Bucks where Siakam choked at the line in OT in game 3 and was average that whole series. Siakam was not even the clear #2 option during our title run, it was Leonard and then a different guy every night stepping up as the #2 option. Outside of the series against the Magic there was no clear #2 option, one night is was Siakam another night Fred another night Lowry another night Serge

Then you need to look at what has the team done since Leonard left town? nothing because Siakam has no business in a top option role and his stats are just empty stats. Good player but not taking your team anywhere unless you have him in a 2A OR 2B role

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Pascal is a top offensive option. The consensus is that he is a legit second or third option...and guess what a team like Portland needs? A capable second option to play with Dame. Doesn't hurt that Pacal can play make for teammates, rebound and defend.

Pascal is probably the best all-round player that Dame will have ever played with. LaMarcus Aldridge was good but he was never the defender and playmaker Pascal is and CJ while being a better scorer lacks in almost every other facet compared to Paacal. Jerami Grant comes close but he still ain't him.

Adding Pascal and resigning Jerami Grant gives the Blazers 2 very good defensive wings that can guard 5 positions.

If the Blazers would expand a trade to include also Shaedon Sharpe and expand a trade to include OG...imagine a line-up of:

Dame
OG
Grant
Siakam
free agent center like Christian Wood/Vuc/Mason Plumlee/Dwight Powell/etc.

That is a menacing wing combination with OG, Siakam and Grant guarding the opponents' best offensive players...and all these guys score some as well.

The main issue with the Blazer in the last 7 years was lack of shooting and defence. While not knock-down 3 point shooters...OG, Pascal and Jerami Grant can all make a 3 at a decent clip but they won't kill you on D.

Yup, I don't wish to give up OG unless they are giving us both picks this year, Sharpe/Simmons and at least 1 more firsts later on

Lol....now it's gone from unrealistic trade discussions(OG for #3 straight up) to just flat out insanity.

The blazers aren't going to trade Sharpe for OG straight up. Wouldn't even consider it. You're talking about a guy on an expiring vs a guy cost controlled for multiple years. The idea that they would trade Sharpe + Scoot/MIller(who they also wouldn't trade for for OG or Pascal straight up; also because of the cost controlled thing) + more stuff is so absurd you may as well just try to get Giannis+ for OG.

OG is probably worth a mid to late-mid lottery pick in most drafts(say like the #9 pick) for teams where he would be a good fit and would probably sign a reasonable extension.

[mtcan]

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Pascal is a top offensive option. The consensus is that he is a legit second or third option...and guess what a team like Portland needs? A capable second option to play with Dame. Doesn't hurt that Pacal can play make for teammates, rebound and defend.

Pascal is probably the best all-round player that Dame will have ever played with. LaMarcus Aldridge was good but he was never the defender and playmaker Pascal is and CJ while being a better scorer lacks in almost every other facet compared to Paacal. Jerami Grant comes close but he still ain't him.

Adding Pascal and resigning Jerami Grant gives the Blazers 2 very good defensive wings that can guard 5 positions.

If the Blazers would expand a trade to include also Shaedon Sharpe and expand a trade to include OG...imagine a line-up of:

Dame
OG
Grant
Siakam
free agent center like Christian Wood/Vuc/Mason Plumlee/Dwight Powell/etc.

That is a menacing wing combination with OG, Siakam and Grant guarding the opponents' best offensive players...and all these guys score some as well.

The main issue with the Blazer in the last 7 years was lack of shooting and defence. While not knock-down 3 point shooters...OG, Pascal and Jerami Grant can all make a 3 at a decent clip but they won't kill you on D.

Yup, I don't wish to give up OG unless they are giving us both picks this year, Sharpe/Simmons and at least 1 more firsts later on

Lol....now it's gone from unrealistic trade discussions(OG for #3 straight up) to just flat out insanity.

The blazers aren't going to trade Sharpe for OG straight up. Wouldn't even consider it. You're talking about a guy on an expiring vs a guy cost controlled for multiple years. The idea that they would trade Sharpe + Scoot/MIller(who they also wouldn't trade for for OG or Pascal straight up; also because of the cost controlled thing) + more stuff is so absurd you may as well just try to get Giannis+ for OG.

OG is probably worth a mid to late-mid lottery pick in most drafts(say like the #9 pick) for teams where he would be a good fit and would probably sign a reasonable extension.

We know, Captain Obvious. This forum is made for hypothetical talk...

This is a discussion forum for basketball talk. This is what goes on...

You wasting your time trolling a bunch of hypothetical posts.

[canada_dry]

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Pascal is a top offensive option. The consensus is that he is a legit second or third option...and guess what a team like Portland needs? A capable second option to play with Dame. Doesn't hurt that Pacal can play make for teammates, rebound and defend.

Pascal is probably the best all-round player that Dame will have ever played with. LaMarcus Aldridge was good but he was never the defender and playmaker Pascal is and CJ while being a better scorer lacks in almost every other facet compared to Paacal. Jerami Grant comes close but he still ain't him.

Adding Pascal and resigning Jerami Grant gives the Blazers 2 very good defensive wings that can guard 5 positions.

If the Blazers would expand a trade to include also Shaedon Sharpe and expand a trade to include OG...imagine a line-up of:

Dame
OG
Grant
Siakam
free agent center like Christian Wood/Vuc/Mason Plumlee/Dwight Powell/etc.

That is a menacing wing combination with OG, Siakam and Grant guarding the opponents' best offensive players...and all these guys score some as well.

The main issue with the Blazer in the last 7 years was lack of shooting and defence. While not knock-down 3 point shooters...OG, Pascal and Jerami Grant can all make a 3 at a decent clip but they won't kill you on D.

Yup, I don't wish to give up OG unless they are giving us both picks this year, Sharpe/Simmons and at least 1 more firsts later on

Lol....now it's gone from unrealistic trade discussions(OG for #3 straight up) to just flat out insanity.

The blazers aren't going to trade Sharpe for OG straight up. Wouldn't even consider it. You're talking about a guy on an expiring vs a guy cost controlled for multiple years. The idea that they would trade Sharpe + Scoot/MIller(who they also wouldn't trade for for OG or Pascal straight up; also because of the cost controlled thing) + more stuff is so absurd you may as well just try to get Giannis+ for OG.

OG is probably worth a mid to late-mid lottery pick in most drafts(say like the #9 pick) for teams where he would be a good fit and would probably sign a reasonable extension.

Hey buddy. Go have some tacos. Take a break.

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[mtcan]

I think it is time for tacosman for a time-out. Mods?

[Fairview4Life]

Lol, my man thinks a board with itsdanger on it can be trolled like this? We were born in the darkness you goof. "Ah, but I, the very smart Nets fan, knows exactly what Portland is thinking". Lol.

[OakleyDokely]

Portland gave Nurkic 70 million dollars. How smart can they really be.

[Fairview4Life]

Portland gave Nurkic 70 million dollars. How smart can they really be.

Clearly they have a good understanding of the value of NBA players, much like our visiting no nothing know it all.

[JRoy]

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Pascal is a top offensive option. The consensus is that he is a legit second or third option...and guess what a team like Portland needs? A capable second option to play with Dame. Doesn't hurt that Pacal can play make for teammates, rebound and defend.

Pascal is probably the best all-round player that Dame will have ever played with. LaMarcus Aldridge was good but he was never the defender and playmaker Pascal is and CJ while being a better scorer lacks in almost every other facet compared to Paacal. Jerami Grant comes close but he still ain't him.

Adding Pascal and resigning Jerami Grant gives the Blazers 2 very good defensive wings that can guard 5 positions.

If the Blazers would expand a trade to include also Shaedon Sharpe and expand a trade to include OG...imagine a line-up of:

Dame
OG
Grant
Siakam
free agent center like Christian Wood/Vuc/Mason Plumlee/Dwight Powell/etc.

That is a menacing wing combination with OG, Siakam and Grant guarding the opponents' best offensive players...and all these guys score some as well.

The main issue with the Blazer in the last 7 years was lack of shooting and defence. While not knock-down 3 point shooters...OG, Pascal and Jerami Grant can all make a 3 at a decent clip but they won't kill you on D.

Yup, I don't wish to give up OG unless they are giving us both picks this year, Sharpe/Simmons and at least 1 more firsts later on

Lol....now it's gone from unrealistic trade discussions(OG for #3 straight up) to just flat out insanity.

The blazers aren't going to trade Sharpe for OG straight up. Wouldn't even consider it. You're talking about a guy on an expiring vs a guy cost controlled for multiple years. The idea that they would trade Sharpe + Scoot/MIller(who they also wouldn't trade for for OG or Pascal straight up; also because of the cost controlled thing) + more stuff is so absurd you may as well just try to get Giannis+ for OG.

OG is probably worth a mid to late-mid lottery pick in most drafts(say like the #9 pick) for teams where he would be a good fit and would probably sign a reasonable extension.

Let it go man.

[OakleyDokely]

We're getting a great lesson from extremely unbiased Nets and Blazers fans. What a lucky day.

Blazers/Nets assets = extremely valuable
Raptors assets = not worth much

[TNRaps4life]

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[Los_29]

I am so glad none of us work in the front office. This franchise would've been ruined a long time ago. LOL.

With that said, I wouldn't hesitate to trade OG for the 3rd pick.

[TorontoBarneys]

Yup, I don't wish to give up OG unless they are giving us both picks this year, Sharpe/Simmons and at least 1 more firsts later on

Lol....now it's gone from unrealistic trade discussions(OG for #3 straight up) to just flat out insanity.

The blazers aren't going to trade Sharpe for OG straight up. Wouldn't even consider it. You're talking about a guy on an expiring vs a guy cost controlled for multiple years. The idea that they would trade Sharpe + Scoot/MIller(who they also wouldn't trade for for OG or Pascal straight up; also because of the cost controlled thing) + more stuff is so absurd you may as well just try to get Giannis+ for OG.

OG is probably worth a mid to late-mid lottery pick in most drafts(say like the #9 pick) for teams where he would be a good fit and would probably sign a reasonable extension.

Let it go man.

I'm genuinely curious JRoy, since you've hung out in these forums multiple times... If you underrate our players so hard, why are you even here? Are you genuinely hoping to snag Barnes or something? Or are you perhaps misguided into thinking a straight Simons for OG swap could actually happen?

Let us know, pal.

[canz55]

I understand people are still emotional on the tails of one of the more frustrating and disappointing seasons in recent memory, but let's not pretend that trading Siakam isn't a massive gamble.

People naturally get high on the "what if factor" when it comes to player potential from the draft but quickly forget the amount of work it takes to get these kids to become fully fledged nba professionals (let alone all stars or all nba).

Also, our player development hasn't been good lately (people are glancing over that).

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[mrdressup]

Looks like we can get the #3 pick if we really want it. This is the chance we've been waiting for. Portland is still entertaining the delusion that they can compete with another proven all-star.

[JRoy]

Lol....now it's gone from unrealistic trade discussions(OG for #3 straight up) to just flat out insanity.

The blazers aren't going to trade Sharpe for OG straight up. Wouldn't even consider it. You're talking about a guy on an expiring vs a guy cost controlled for multiple years. The idea that they would trade Sharpe + Scoot/MIller(who they also wouldn't trade for for OG or Pascal straight up; also because of the cost controlled thing) + more stuff is so absurd you may as well just try to get Giannis+ for OG.

OG is probably worth a mid to late-mid lottery pick in most drafts(say like the #9 pick) for teams where he would be a good fit and would probably sign a reasonable extension.

Let it go man.

I'm genuinely curious JRoy, since you've hung out in these forums multiple times... If you underrate our players so hard, why are you even here? Are you genuinely hoping to snag Barnes or something? Or are you perhaps misguided into thinking a straight Simons for OG swap could actually happen?

Let us know, pal.

I thought I’ve been clear; I like both Siakam and OG. I am a defense first guy and I love what they bring.

The issue is that neither guy, or even both, would elevate a very flawed POR team into contention, so a deal for those players just doesn’t make any sense to me.

I am not a fan of Simons either, I have had my fill of tiny offense only guys who can’t play pg. That said he is a solid scorer and might thrive on a team with defenders around him. I want him off my team.

TOR fans are passionate, like POR fans so that feels a little like home.

[KL78192020]

If they manage to pull of such a trade for Siakam and the blazers third pick, might as well just trade Poeltl for the Mavs 10th pick, they are desperate for defence.

Just do a full rebuild.