2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down

[TroubleS0me]

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[Grumpy Heat Fan]

It doesn't matter who is better. Jimmy was on full tantrum mode and it was over.

Considering his antics, I am ecstatic at what we got back.

Wiggins is only 29 and a really nice piece for us. Spo will make good use of him.

[VaDe255]

Wiggins doesn't need to be better than any of them. He just needs to be a piece that fills a role. This team isn't going anywhere without a true #1 but you need a solid team that makes stars say "I want to go there" and you eventually get one of them.

I'm not saying he needs to be, I'm just combating some of the delusions. You have people saying he's better than Butler out of some kind of weird spite and it's just stupid to see. We got rid of Jimmy like we wanted and he got paid like he wanted. Time to move forward. But people lying to themselves about the trade or the situation will not help.

It's not spite nor delusional to say that regular season Wiggins can help the Heat more than regular season Jimmy. Of course, peak playoff Jimmy is better than Wiggins, if he decides to be healthy and show up instead of running his mouth from the bench.

It absolutely is, lets take a look at a stats what meassures contributions to wins (total win shares/48):

Jimmy the last 5 years (3.7, 9.1, 12.3, 9.2, 9.3)
Wiggins the last 5 years (3.1, 2.8, 2.3, 5.1, 3.9)

The delusion that some Heat fans have about this trade is crazy, Jimmy contributed more to wins this year than Wiggins playing 25 vs 43 games and in general is contributing vastly more.
Heat traded an all star level player (was MVP level till 23, but he declined in 24), for a bunch of role players and a protected pick.

I get why the Heat did it, I get why many Heat fans are relieved to have clarity, but this deal killed their ceiling and was desprate to get Jimmy off this team. I hate it, the Heat FO folded like a house of cards to Jimmy who got his extension basically bluffing with a threat to do this all season (he would not have done it past deadline, he wants his money).

[contract]

Someone explain to me why we traded for 39 year old PJ Tucker. Is he going to play PG for us?

A filler who will be a vet presence

I guess we weren't very high on Schröder.

[contract]

It doesn't matter who is better. Jimmy was on full tantrum mode and it was over.

Considering his antics, I am ecstatic at what we got back.

Wiggins is only 29 and a really nice piece for us. Spo will make good use of him.

100%

It's over. Lets move on.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Someone explain to me why we traded for 39 year old PJ Tucker. Is he going to play PG for us?

A filler who will be a vet presence

I guess we weren't very high on Schröder.

Schroder lives in a camper van at this point. Looking at his wikipedia, he's been traded 9 times in the past 5 years.

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Lmaooo

The young players could use a vocal defensive middle linebacker in Tucker. I expect to see him play.

I hope not. I don't want to see the young guys get pushed aside for Tucker. He's ancient and has barely played these past two years.

Also, Tucker means small ball ... and we know how popular that is around here.

I'd rather they buy him out.

[powerball1373]

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I'm a little confused by the Warriors giving Jimmy his extension. Didn't they just get out of repeater tax hell?

[Enso]

I think the idea was to have him settled in and not thinking about that this summer.

I'm still not sure how good of a fit it's gonna be with them they play a lot differently than we did when Jimmy was a main focus. They don't have any depth unless they make more moves. It could go very wrong very quickly but at least it'll be entertaining. You know Draymond will be on Jimmy's ass If he coasts they're expecting big things from him. Do or die for Jimmy last chance to get a ring as a main guy.

[HeatingUp3]

So we handicap the 2026 cap space?

[MorbidHEAT]

Is Kelly Olynik being rerouted or staying put?

[Enso]

So we handicap the 2026 cap space?

Wiggins could opt out and who knows if we build a contender and he fits, maybe re up him on a good deal

[Heat_Down_Under]

The way I’m looking at it we were playing without jimmy anyway and now have the luxury to add wiggins into the starting line up.. team will be better now with wiggins helping on the offensive end and not dealing with the jimmy drama. Wish we could have got a decent PG back in the trade but not mad either way…

[_GH0ST_]

FO did his best in this trade. This is a good trade for us.

[Daffy]

With the way Jimmy and the FO crashed and burned I'm not sure what some of yall were expecting back for Jimmy. This is a solid return imo.

[caliban]

Very nice pick. Rest is a lot of average production for too much money. Should be easier stuff to move at least.

[dshearn]

It's not spite nor delusional to say that regular season Wiggins can help the Heat more than regular season Jimmy. Of course, peak playoff Jimmy is better than Wiggins, if he decides to be healthy and show up instead of running his mouth from the bench.

Jimmy is better than Wiggins at basketball. It does not matter the time of year.

If we're not in the play in this year I'd say Wiggins is better for us during the regular season, if he plays all the games of course

Well... I don't know if prime Wiggins is better then aging Butler, but we know darn well average Jimmy can really....reallllly...coast when his number is not called.

having said that.... Wiggins shot chart, really looks like a dude who will stay out of Bam's way, and let JJJ continue to do his weak side ISO stuff. He has less then 30 attempts the entire season in Bam mid-range area, and only 10 or so in JJJ's spot.

He has taken a ton of 3 pointers....but more in Duncan's area, not really a corner 3 guy...so again out of JJJ and Highsmith's way...

I don't really watch other teams...but based on the shot chart....Wiggins really could be a good fit.

[RexBoyWonder]

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Any significance to this?

Sure, it might have more value then Wiggins contract.

Looking at the standings, the hope is if things break right we get the 11-14 pick in this 2025 draft.

Considered a very strong draft, and if we miss the playoffs and keep our pick - we can package both picks and jump in the lottery for a high upside player.

We need to hope GSW stay in that 11-14 range, don't move up or collapse till end of year.
(if they do collapse - hopefully they can't bounce back soon, the chance we get to the 2027 unprotected pick is very low but you never with a team built on two 35 years old players).

This pick might become a huge get for us with a bit of luck.

[MartyConlonJr]

Not sure how the Warriors experiment will go. I definitely respect what Jimmy does, but what is their ceiling in terms of playoff position?

Can they realistically catch OKC, Memphis, Houston, Denver, or Lakers, when they are 5 games behind with 32 to go? Even if Lakers were a .500 squad rest of the way they are 46-36. GSW would need to go 21-11 (.656). That next tier of Minnesota and Clippers, a .500 record gets you 44-38, so Warriors would need to go 19-13 (.593). And that is all assuming those top 7 seeds play at a .500 level, which is below what they are playing now.

Then you have Dallas, who while they are now sans Luka, have been without him most of the season, 14-14 without him, 12-11 with. So now you add AD to that mix, they should improve. Add in Spurs who are 2 games behind Warriors but now have Fox, without give much up of consequence from the current roster to do it. They could be in the race too.

Really the Warriors have a lot of competition, or need to perform at a high rate in the regular season (not Jimmy's forte), to get beyond 8th seed, and it is still possible they struggle to stay out of play in.

The East is unlikely to have that run to the finish line, and so it is likely that if Warriors are the 8th seed or so, they may still have a better record than maybe 2-3 east playoff teams. That pick could very easily be 17th or better, and possibly if they miss the playoffs, that 11-14 is really in play. Part of me thinks if it conveys in such a strong year and with our ability to draft in that range, that is a big get.