The 2013 free agency thread.

Elden Payton · Post #861 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:44 am

I'd rather Jeff Adrien than all of them, Henry Sims too.

Sims would be a good signing for the min.

Eoghan · Post #862 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:14 am

catch20two wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Dismal? He's only gotten 10 mpg. If DJ White is NBA material than Howell is NBA starter material.

...and I don't think D.J. White is NBA material, at least not anymore. White has nothing to do with it anyway. He's a 5 year pro and they have totally different skill sets.

Despite only getting 10 mpg Howell's per 36 stats would be 6 points and 7 rebounds still on 29% shooting. He's simply not producing. That's why he's not getting any minutes. I understand that you might be a NC State fan but you have to take the rose colored glasses off and realize that he's mad avvy as in average at basketball.

Inward please, Howell was one of the best rebounders in the country and a solid defender. He's basically got Jack Cooley's skillset (Howell's better offensively) and that dude is putting together a nice SL. Difference is he's higher on the totem pole of his franchise whereas Howell has little chance of making a dent b/c Denver has loads of young bigs already.

Sik Infant wrote:I'd rather Jeff Adrien than all of them, Henry Sims too.

Sims would be a good signing for the min.

Adrien is a midget. Sims would be okay.

Post #863 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:21 am

i dont think we need 4 centers. we already have jefferson, biz and haywood. would prefer to add a 3rd pf or go with adrien. still need 3rd pg and another wing shooter.

countryboi · Post #864 » by **countryboi** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:35 am

fatlever wrote:i dont think we need 4 centers. we already have jefferson, biz and haywood. would prefer to add a 3rd pf or go with adrien. still need 3rd pg and another wing shooter.

I say we bring in Seth and Daniels and let them fight it out for that wing spot.

mrknowitall215 · Post #865 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:36 am

BrotherDave wrote:
catch20two wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Dismal? He's only gotten 10 mpg. If DJ White is NBA material than Howell is NBA starter material.

...and I don't think D.J. White is NBA material, at least not anymore. White has nothing to do with it anyway. He's a 5 year pro and they have totally different skill sets.

Despite only getting 10 mpg Howell's per 36 stats would be 6 points and 7 rebounds still on 29% shooting. He's simply not producing. That's why he's not getting any minutes. I understand that you might be a NC State fan but you have to take the rose colored glasses off and realize that he's mad avvy as in average at basketball.

Inward please, Howell was one of the best rebounders in the country and a solid defender. He's basically got Jack Cooley's skillset (Howell's better offensively) and that dude is putting together a nice SL. Difference is he's higher on the totem pole of his franchise whereas Howell has little chance of making a dent b/c Denver has loads of young bigs already.
Sik Infant wrote:I'd rather Jeff Adrien than all of them, Henry Sims too.

Sims would be a good signing for the min.

Adrien is a midget. Sims would be okay.

If Richard Howell was such hot stuff like you make him out to be, then how come he didn't get drafted? Not only did he not get drafted, he can't even find significant minutes on the Nuggets SL team that doesn't even have a touted big, playing behind the likes of a guy named Kyle Barone from Idaho, that I never even heard of, to the point where he's now receiving DNPs. You should just put this argument to bed

Snidely FC · Post #866 » by **Snidely FC** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:00 pm

fatlever wrote:i dont think we need 4 centers. we already have jefferson, biz and haywood. would prefer to add a 3rd pf or go with adrien. still need 3rd pg and another wing shooter.

Agreed. Though I'd happily dump Haywood for a 2nd rd pick.
After watching another round of games, my updated list of SL free agents for CHA is all PGs, Wing shooters & PFs:

Demitri McCamey
Brandon Triche
D.J. Kennedy
Vander Blue
Brandon Paul
Micah Downs
Elias Harris
Coby Karl
Luke Sikma
Jack Cooley
Arinze Onuaku
Eloy Vargas

Makaveli92 · Post #867 » by **Makaveli92** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:21 pm

nate robinson cant find a deal right now, he said he'll play for any team that wants him.. Would yall sign him? He carried the Bulls in the playoffs this season, with kirk and rose out. he can play some SG also.

lmcguir5 · Post #868 » by **lmcguir5** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:34 pm

Makaveli92 wrote:nate robinson cant find a deal right now, he said he'll play for any team that wants him.. Would yall sign him? He carried the Bulls in the playoffs this season, with kirk and rose out. he can play some SG also.

I don't think a guy like that is about to take a second role on the worst team in the league. Besides, why would we do that with sessions on the second squad? You would just be overpaying a guy to come off the bench, much like the Pelicans did with Tyreke. Nate Robinson just doesn't strike me as a guy with a great attitude either

Makaveli92 · Post #869 » by **Makaveli92** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:42 pm

lmcguir5 wrote:
Makaveli92 wrote:nate robinson cant find a deal right now, he said he'll play for any team that wants him.. Would yall sign him? He carried the Bulls in the playoffs this season, with kirk and rose out. he can play some SG also.

I don't think a guy like that is about to take a second role on the worst team in the league. Besides, why would we do that with sessions on the second squad? You would just be overpaying a guy to come off the bench, much like the Pelicans did with Tyreke. Nate Robinson just doesn't strike me as a guy with a great attitude either

I don't think he's asking for much, maybe like a cheap muti year deal. he said out his own mouth he'll play for any team that wants him, it aint got to be a contender, I doubt he gets a deal from a contender anyway, most contending teams are set a PG now. He can play SG or PG even though he's undersized to play SG, but he still plays like he's taller than 5'9.. just a guy off the bench who can score for you, he can play SG in spot minutes. like when Gordon aint got it or Sessions. Ima Bulls fan and the dude is a good guy, theres nothing wrong with his attitude.

lmcguir5 · Post #870 » by **lmcguir5** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:47 pm

Makaveli92 wrote:
lmcguir5 wrote:
Makaveli92 wrote:nate robinson cant find a deal right now, he said he'll play for any team that wants him.. Would yall sign him? He carried the Bulls in the playoffs this season, with kirk and rose out. he can play some SG also.

I don't think a guy like that is about to take a second role on the worst team in the league. Besides, why would we do that with sessions on the second squad? You would just be overpaying a guy to come off the bench, much like the Pelicans did with Tyreke. Nate Robinson just doesn't strike me as a guy with a great attitude either

I don't think he's asking for much, maybe like a cheap muti year deal. he said out his own mouth he'll play for any team that wants him, it aint got to be a contender, I doubt he gets a deal from a contender anyway, most contending teams are set a PG now. He can play SG or PG even though he's undersized to play SG, but he still plays like he's taller than 5'9.. just a guy off the bench who can score for you, he can play SG in spot minutes. like when Gordon aint got it or Sessions. Ima Bulls fan and the dude is a good guy, theres nothing wrong with his attitude.

Even if his attitude is good, which I may have unfairly judged him for, our main priority continues to be resigning Henderson. As of right now, Jeff Taylor would be our starting 2, and while I like him, I'm just not ready to hand the reigns over. Once we resign Hendo, I'll start getting worried about building depth at other spots.

HornetJail · Post #871 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:13 pm

Makaveli92 wrote:nate robinson cant find a deal right now, he said he'll play for any team that wants him.. Would yall sign him? He carried the Bulls in the playoffs this season, with kirk and rose out. he can play some SG also.

Not here. I'm sure he'll latch on to another contender for cheap. Doesn't Brooklyn need a backup PG?

mrknowitall215 · Post #872 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:18 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
Makaveli92 wrote:nate robinson cant find a deal right now, he said he'll play for any team that wants him.. Would yall sign him? He carried the Bulls in the playoffs this season, with kirk and rose out. he can play some SG also.

Not here. I'm sure he'll latch on to another contender for cheap. Doesn't Brooklyn need a backup PG?

Brooklyn signed Shaun Livingston, but I'd reckon Nate Robinson would still be a solid acquisition for them. Either way, I wouldn't consider Lil' Nate for the Bobcats. Charlotte already has Sessions, and Lil' Nate is moreso the type of player you add onto a contender

HornetJail · Post #873 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:21 pm

Forgot Brooklyn signed Livingston. I could see Robinson going to the Warriors or Rockets as well.

mrknowitall215 · Post #874 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:39 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Forgot Brooklyn signed Livingston. I could see Robinson going to the Warriors or Rockets as well.

The Warriors just signed Toney Douglas & the Rockets re-signed Aaron Brooks. The water in the well is running dry for Lil' Nate. I find it a bit disrespectful, albeit it's business, that the Bulls haven't retained him. He would've & would be perfect behind Derrick Rose

LamarMatic7 · Post #875 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:51 pm

If anybody's up for a Nate Robinson debate, here's my take:

His bad image is definitely over-blown because of several things. I think we can blame Mike D'Antoni the most, since he handled that Nate situation like an ****. Sure, you shouldn't shoot at your own basket, even after the whistle. But there's no way it warrants benching a player for more than one game. It seems like Pringles tried to use his power a bit too much. It took Nate two or three seasons to become a double digit scorer again since that incident made him infamous and lessened him to a player who got waived and signed for the minimum. His trigger-happy playing style also gets confused with him being a bad guy.

I definitely think he's undervalued and he's a fun guy to have in your locker room, if anything. But as for Nate Robinson, the player, there aren't many better instant scorers in the league. Just acknowledge the fact that 20 years from now you'll remember a playoff game that is known as the "Nate Robinson" game.

He's not a player we need on our team though.

LamarMatic7 · Post #876 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:52 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:Forgot Brooklyn signed Livingston. I could see Robinson going to the Warriors or Rockets as well.

The Warriors just signed Toney Douglas & the Rockets re-signed Aaron Brooks. The water in the well is running dry for Lil' Nate. I find it a bit disrespectful, albeit it's business, that the Bulls haven't retained him. He would've & would be perfect behind Derrick Rose

I think the thing is that they just can't offer a contract good enough of Nate's worth. They already have 80 million on their books for the next season. I don't think they can give him anything more than the minimum.

mrknowitall215 · Post #877 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:06 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:Forgot Brooklyn signed Livingston. I could see Robinson going to the Warriors or Rockets as well.

The Warriors just signed Toney Douglas & the Rockets re-signed Aaron Brooks. The water in the well is running dry for Lil' Nate. I find it a bit disrespectful, albeit it's business, that the Bulls haven't retained him. He would've & would be perfect behind Derrick Rose

I think the thing is that they just can't offer a contract good enough of Nate's worth. They already have 80 million on their books for the next season. I don't think they can give him anything more than the minimum.

The Bulls could've offered Lil' Nate the same deal or to a lesser degree of what they gave Mike Dunleavy Jr. beforehand. I understand that the Bulls acquired Dunleavy Jr. for 3-point threat specialist purposes, but Robinson isn't too shabby in that area himself, and in fact made more total 3-pointers than Dunleavy Jr. last season at a 41 3P% clip. I'm a avid watcher of the Bulls because of Derrick Rose, and they wouldn't have fared well last season without Robinson on the roster. As a Rose fan myself, I would love to see the dynamic of them bringing back Robinson to take the offensive load off him as another player that can create his own shot, especially returning from injury, but it doesn't look like it'll happen

Post #878 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:07 pm

nate should go to the lakers for cheap. i dont think he'll get good money from anyone, so he might as well go to a team that needs him and could give him a shot at playoffs.

hawks are another team that would make sense. as would the wizards. memphis could also use some instant offense.

LamarMatic7 · Post #879 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:12 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
The Warriors just signed Toney Douglas & the Rockets re-signed Aaron Brooks. The water in the well is running dry for Lil' Nate. I find it a bit disrespectful, albeit it's business, that the Bulls haven't retained him. He would've & would be perfect behind Derrick Rose

I think the thing is that they just can't offer a contract good enough of Nate's worth. They already have 80 million on their books for the next season. I don't think they can give him anything more than the minimum.

The Bulls could've offered Lil' Nate the same deal or to a lesser degree of what they gave Mike Dunleavy Jr. beforehand. I understand that the Bulls acquired Dunleavy Jr. for 3-point threat specialist purposes, but Robinson isn't too shabby in that area himself, and in fact made more total 3-pointers than Dunleavy Jr. last season at a 41 3P% clip. I'm a avid watcher of the Bulls because of Derrick Rose, and they wouldn't have fared well last season without Robinson on the roster. As a Rose fan myself, I would love to see the dynamic of them bringing back Robinson to take the offensive load off him as another player that can create his own shot, especially returning from injury, but it doesn't look like it'll happen

Good point about Dunleavy.

On the other hand, they do already have Hinrich and Teague backing the point of whom Hinrich is likely to see some minutes at the two. I guess they rather wanted to add an actual small forward, not another undersized guy moving up a position. Otherwise they would only have Butler and Deng at the 2 and 3, with Cook, Goudelock, Snell and Hamilton being guys that can't be fully trusted.

LamarMatic7 · Post #880 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:14 pm

fatlever wrote:nate should go to the lakers for cheap. i dont think he'll get good money from anyone, so he might as well go to a team that needs him and could give him a shot at playoffs.

hawks are another team that would make sense. as would the wizards. memphis could also use some instant offense.

Whether it's a creator in Nate or a marksman in Mike Miller, I'd love to see anyone who can put points on the board join Memphis.