Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIX

[J-Ves]

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2020/12/15/22175724/wizards-trade-thomas-bryant-pacers-myles-turner
Kevin Broom considers a trade: Bryant for Turner. What are your thoughts? I think I prefer Bryant in a vacuum, but I'll admit having a legit defender in the middle would do wonders for this team.

[NatP4]

I’ll pass. Bryant is half as expensive, more efficient, much better rebounder, and only going to get better. I think he grades out as average defensively despite everyone making him out to be the problem with our defense.

[nate33]

I wonder if Boston would consider a Mo Wagner for Robert Williams trade. Boston already has a defensive minded rebounder/shot blocker in Thompson and could probably use a stretch 5 to pair with him. We already have a stretch 5 in Bryant and could use a defensive minded rebounder/shot blocker to pair with him. The players were drafted just two picks apart in the 2018 draft so they have essentially the same contract.

[nate33]

I’ll pass. Bryant is half as expensive, more efficient, much better rebounder, and only going to get better. I think he grades out as average defensively despite everyone making him out to be the problem with our defense.

That's basically what Kevin said. Bryant isn't THAT bad on defense, and he is pretty damn good on offense.

Bryant's offensive superiority of Turner is probably greater than Turner's defensive superiority over Bryant. And then when you factor the salary differential, the trade probably isn't a great idea. We certainly shouldn't give up any extra incentive.

[dckingsfan]

I wonder if Boston would consider a Mo Wagner for Robert Williams trade. Boston already has a defensive minded rebounder/shot blocker in Thompson and could probably use a stretch 5 to pair with him. We already have a stretch 5 in Bryant and could use a defensive minded rebounder/shot blocker to pair with him. The players were drafted just two picks apart in the 2018 draft so they have essentially the same contract.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

Boston, I don't know. Williams seems like the odd man out behind Theis and Thompson. And yet, Theis has only one year left and Thompson two.

[payitforward]

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2020/12/15/22175724/wizards-trade-thomas-bryant-pacers-myles-turner
Kevin Broom considers a trade: Bryant for Turner. What are your thoughts? I think I prefer Bryant in a vacuum, but I'll admit having a legit defender in the middle would do wonders for this team.

Hmmm, how long ago was it that a bunch of people were ready to trade Bryant, a R1 pick & a whole bunch more to have Myles Turner.

Anybody remember being all for something like that?

[payitforward]

I wonder if Boston would consider a Mo Wagner for Robert Williams trade. Boston already has a defensive minded rebounder/shot blocker in Thompson and could probably use a stretch 5 to pair with him. We already have a stretch 5 in Bryant and could use a defensive minded rebounder/shot blocker to pair with him. The players were drafted just two picks apart in the 2018 draft so they have essentially the same contract.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

Boston, I don't know. Williams seems like the odd man out behind Theis and Thompson. And yet, Theis has only one year left and Thompson two.

That would be great for us! I find it hard to believe Boston would go for it. Can't hurt to ask...!

[nate33]

I wonder if Boston would consider a Mo Wagner for Robert Williams trade. Boston already has a defensive minded rebounder/shot blocker in Thompson and could probably use a stretch 5 to pair with him. We already have a stretch 5 in Bryant and could use a defensive minded rebounder/shot blocker to pair with him. The players were drafted just two picks apart in the 2018 draft so they have essentially the same contract.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

Boston, I don't know. Williams seems like the odd man out behind Theis and Thompson. And yet, Theis has only one year left and Thompson two.

Williams has only 2 years left as well. As does Wagner.

[dckingsfan]

I wonder if Boston would consider a Mo Wagner for Robert Williams trade. Boston already has a defensive minded rebounder/shot blocker in Thompson and could probably use a stretch 5 to pair with him. We already have a stretch 5 in Bryant and could use a defensive minded rebounder/shot blocker to pair with him. The players were drafted just two picks apart in the 2018 draft so they have essentially the same contract.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

Boston, I don't know. Williams seems like the odd man out behind Theis and Thompson. And yet, Theis has only one year left and Thompson two.

Williams has only 2 years left as well. As does Wagner.

ha! Talk about not making your point - I was thinking that they might be developing Williams for the long-term.

[nate33]

I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

Boston, I don't know. Williams seems like the odd man out behind Theis and Thompson. And yet, Theis has only one year left and Thompson two.

Williams has only 2 years left as well. As does Wagner.

ha! Talk about not making your point - I was thinking that they might be developing Williams for the long-term.

They'll still have to pay him market value though. And that's going to be tough when $97M is going to Kemba, Tatum and Brown.

My point is that I think they'll just be looking at the cheapest competent center when the time comes. There's no real advantage to that center being their own free agent versus a free agent obtained in the open market. They won't be spending more than MLE money on him anyhow.

[dckingsfan]

Williams has only 2 years left as well. As does Wagner.

ha! Talk about not making your point - I was thinking that they might be developing Williams for the long-term.

They'll still have to pay him market value though. And that's going to be tough when $97M is going to Kemba, Tatum and Brown.

My point is that I think they'll just be looking at the cheapest competent center when the time comes. There's no real advantage to that center being their own free agent versus a free agent obtained in the open market. They won't be spending more than MLE money on him anyhow.

Well, I definitely do the trade if we don't have to add assets. Other than a 2nd round pick that conveys only if it is for picks 50 or later. The Lopez signing still gets under my skin.

[pcbothwel]

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2020/12/15/22175724/wizards-trade-thomas-bryant-pacers-myles-turner
Kevin Broom considers a trade: Bryant for Turner. What are your thoughts? I think I prefer Bryant in a vacuum, but I'll admit having a legit defender in the middle would do wonders for this team.

Hmmm, how long ago was it that a bunch of people were ready to trade Bryant, a R1 pick & a whole bunch more to have Myles Turner.

Anybody remember being all for something like that?

Its ridiculous that this trade keeps coming up.
Downgrade in production while increasing salary next year to the point we are in the tax w/o resigning Bonga & MLE... Where do I sign up?

[JAR69]

ha! Talk about not making your point - I was thinking that they might be developing Williams for the long-term.

They'll still have to pay him market value though. And that's going to be tough when $97M is going to Kemba, Tatum and Brown.

My point is that I think they'll just be looking at the cheapest competent center when the time comes. There's no real advantage to that center being their own free agent versus a free agent obtained in the open market. They won't be spending more than MLE money on him anyhow.

Well, I definitely do the trade if we don't have to add assets. Other than a 2nd round pick that conveys only if it is for picks 50 or later. The Lopez signing still gets under my skin.

There are a couple of other third-string centers who might be worth trading Mo for. My top two are Tony Bradley and Khem Birch. Both are solid defensive third stringers who may be superfluous to their teams and could move up to our backup. Bradley played and practiced with Gobert for two years and hopefully learned some things. His numbers in limited minutes look decent, and he is currently the greatest three point shooter in NBA history. Also, his initials are TB, which would get us to three, including two centers. I've seen some indications that the 76ers would rather have a stretch 5 like Mo.

We all know about Birch - we had him a few times and let him go. But he is a solid backup, and started 24 games last year. A little undersized, but he works hard and gets results. He is behind Vuc and Bamba in the rotation, and he may struggle to get minutes. He has little range, but knows his strengths.

[nate33]

They'll still have to pay him market value though. And that's going to be tough when $97M is going to Kemba, Tatum and Brown.

My point is that I think they'll just be looking at the cheapest competent center when the time comes. There's no real advantage to that center being their own free agent versus a free agent obtained in the open market. They won't be spending more than MLE money on him anyhow.

Well, I definitely do the trade if we don't have to add assets. Other than a 2nd round pick that conveys only if it is for picks 50 or later. The Lopez signing still gets under my skin.

There are a couple of other third-string centers who might be worth trading Mo for. My top two are Tony Bradley and Khem Birch. Both are solid defensive third stringers who may be superfluous to their teams and could move up to our backup. Bradley played and practiced with Gobert for two years and hopefully learned some things. His numbers in limited minutes look decent, and he is currently the greatest three point shooter in NBA history. Also, his initials are TB, which would get us to three, including two centers. I've seen some indications that the 76ers would rather have a stretch 5 like Mo.

We all know about Birch - we had him a few times and let him go. But he is a solid backup, and started 24 games last year. A little undersized, but he works hard and gets results. He is behind Vuc and Bamba in the rotation, and he may struggle to get minutes. He has little range, but knows his strengths.

Birch is 27. He's not getting any better. WYSIWYG, which is a serviceable backup center - a guy you can find every offseason for the vet minimum or maybe the BAE.

If I'm trading Mo, I want a guy with some theoretical upside because I think Mo has upside to. It wouldn't surprise me if Mo has an 8-year career as a regular rotation player and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he becomes a reliable starter. (I'm not saying it's likely, but it's certainly possible. It's not possible for Khem Birch.)

[Ruzious]

They'll still have to pay him market value though. And that's going to be tough when $97M is going to Kemba, Tatum and Brown.

My point is that I think they'll just be looking at the cheapest competent center when the time comes. There's no real advantage to that center being their own free agent versus a free agent obtained in the open market. They won't be spending more than MLE money on him anyhow.

Well, I definitely do the trade if we don't have to add assets. Other than a 2nd round pick that conveys only if it is for picks 50 or later. The Lopez signing still gets under my skin.

There are a couple of other third-string centers who might be worth trading Mo for. My top two are Tony Bradley and Khem Birch. Both are solid defensive third stringers who may be superfluous to their teams and could move up to our backup. Bradley played and practiced with Gobert for two years and hopefully learned some things. His numbers in limited minutes look decent, and he is currently the greatest three point shooter in NBA history. Also, his initials are TB, which would get us to three, including two centers. I've seen some indications that the 76ers would rather have a stretch 5 like Mo.

We all know about Birch - we had him a few times and let him go. But he is a solid backup, and started 24 games last year. A little undersized, but he works hard and gets results. He is behind Vuc and Bamba in the rotation, and he may struggle to get minutes. He has little range, but knows his strengths.

Bamba's in an interesting situation with Orlando. They have until December 21st to decide whether or not to pick up his 4th year - at 7.57 million. In the meantime, he still hasn't recovered fully from the effects of Covid 19. They'll still probably pick up that 4th year, but his trade value is way down, and because they have Birch, they might decide to trade Bamba.

[dckingsfan]

Well, I definitely do the trade if we don't have to add assets. Other than a 2nd round pick that conveys only if it is for picks 50 or later. The Lopez signing still gets under my skin.

There are a couple of other third-string centers who might be worth trading Mo for. My top two are Tony Bradley and Khem Birch. Both are solid defensive third stringers who may be superfluous to their teams and could move up to our backup. Bradley played and practiced with Gobert for two years and hopefully learned some things. His numbers in limited minutes look decent, and he is currently the greatest three point shooter in NBA history. Also, his initials are TB, which would get us to three, including two centers. I've seen some indications that the 76ers would rather have a stretch 5 like Mo.

We all know about Birch - we had him a few times and let him go. But he is a solid backup, and started 24 games last year. A little undersized, but he works hard and gets results. He is behind Vuc and Bamba in the rotation, and he may struggle to get minutes. He has little range, but knows his strengths.

Bamba's in an interesting situation with Orlando. They have until December 21st to decide whether or not to pick up his 4th year - at 7.57 million. In the meantime, he still hasn't recovered fully from the effects of Covid 19. They'll still probably pick up that 4th year, but his trade value is way down, and because they have Birch, they might decide to trade Bamba.

He is the one player I trade Brown for - straight up of course. I guess it would need to be a multi-player trade? Brown and Wagner?

But I would much rather package Robinson, Wagner and a second - but I don't think that gets it done.

[Ruzious]

There are a couple of other third-string centers who might be worth trading Mo for. My top two are Tony Bradley and Khem Birch. Both are solid defensive third stringers who may be superfluous to their teams and could move up to our backup. Bradley played and practiced with Gobert for two years and hopefully learned some things. His numbers in limited minutes look decent, and he is currently the greatest three point shooter in NBA history. Also, his initials are TB, which would get us to three, including two centers. I've seen some indications that the 76ers would rather have a stretch 5 like Mo.

We all know about Birch - we had him a few times and let him go. But he is a solid backup, and started 24 games last year. A little undersized, but he works hard and gets results. He is behind Vuc and Bamba in the rotation, and he may struggle to get minutes. He has little range, but knows his strengths.

Bamba's in an interesting situation with Orlando. They have until December 21st to decide whether or not to pick up his 4th year - at 7.57 million. In the meantime, he still hasn't recovered fully from the effects of Covid 19. They'll still probably pick up that 4th year, but his trade value is way down, and because they have Birch, they might decide to trade Bamba.

He is the one player I trade Brown for - straight up of course. I guess it would need to be a multi-player trade? Brown and Wagner?

But I would much rather package Robinson, Wagner and a second - but I don't think that gets it done.

I'd need to get a future 1st back from Orlando if I'm trading Brown and Wagner for Bamba - especially with the question about Bamba's health. Maybe I give them a future 2nd if they relax the protections on the 1st.

[payitforward]

There are a couple of other third-string centers who might be worth trading Mo for. My top two are Tony Bradley and Khem Birch....

...If I'm trading Mo, I want a guy with some theoretical upside because I think Mo has upside too....

Tony Bradley qualifies nicely. He's a year younger than Moe, was a far better college player, & has certainly put up better numbers than Moe in the NBA.

First two years he had Gobert & Favors in front of him & didn't play. This last season he finally did play (633 minutes) & produced at a high level.

Yet, Utah let him go to Detroit for "cash considerations," then Daryl Morey acquired him from Detroit for Zhaire Smith. Given Morey had just come from the Western Conference, I wouldn't be surprised if he likes Bradley.

In any case, obviously, like Wagner, he has little or no trade value.

...It wouldn't surprise me if Mo has an 8-year career as a regular rotation player and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he becomes a reliable starter. (I'm not saying it's likely, but it's certainly possible....)

Right now I'd be surprised if we could get a R2 pick for Moe. We didn't give that much for him.

That's why I like Bradley for him (more upside than you could get otherwise, or so it seems to me).

But, of course, if Moe fixes his problems, he can stick around. As you could say about any young player.

[dckingsfan]

Bamba's in an interesting situation with Orlando. They have until December 21st to decide whether or not to pick up his 4th year - at 7.57 million. In the meantime, he still hasn't recovered fully from the effects of Covid 19. They'll still probably pick up that 4th year, but his trade value is way down, and because they have Birch, they might decide to trade Bamba.

He is the one player I trade Brown for - straight up of course. I guess it would need to be a multi-player trade? Brown and Wagner?

But I would much rather package Robinson, Wagner and a second - but I don't think that gets it done.

I'd need to get a future 1st back from Orlando if I'm trading Brown and Wagner for Bamba - especially with the question about Bamba's health. Maybe I give them a future 2nd if they relax the protections on the 1st.

I would definitely do a Brown + Wagner + 2nd for Bamba + 1st. Sign me up.
or
Robinson + Wagner + 2nd for Bamba

[nate33]

Bamba's in an interesting situation with Orlando. They have until December 21st to decide whether or not to pick up his 4th year - at 7.57 million. In the meantime, he still hasn't recovered fully from the effects of Covid 19. They'll still probably pick up that 4th year, but his trade value is way down, and because they have Birch, they might decide to trade Bamba.

He is the one player I trade Brown for - straight up of course. I guess it would need to be a multi-player trade? Brown and Wagner?

But I would much rather package Robinson, Wagner and a second - but I don't think that gets it done.

I'd need to get a future 1st back from Orlando if I'm trading Brown and Wagner for Bamba - especially with the question about Bamba's health. Maybe I give them a future 2nd if they relax the protections on the 1st.

I want to wait and see how Brown plays for the first half of the season before considering trading him. Brown's jack-of-all-trades master-of-none shtick isn't ideal in a league full of role-playing specialists, but if he gets just a bit better at all of those trades, he is suddenly a quality starter and possibly within range of sneaking into an All-Star game.

Right now, he averages 14.5, 7.7 and 3.6 per 36 with a TS% of .524 and a 3P% of .341. But imagine if he boosts his percentages a usage a bit and posts 18, 8 and 4 per 36 with a TS% of .560 and a 3P% of .370. That looks a lot like the Khris Middleton of 3 years ago, or Jaylen Brown or Gordon Hayward from last season.