Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[thebuzzardman]

Sexton/Rose
Lonzo/IQ
RJ/Vildoza
Randle/?
Mitch/Olynyk
Bullocks for shooting depth and continuity. Pinson for towel waiving. That Belgian dude for development. Pelle for 6 hard fouls. Some G-League guy to sell hope to Westchester.

Is it a championship team? No.
I'd say there are several players not that hard to trade if it doesn't work out, though timing will matter if it's pre max or post max Randle/RJ/Sexton.

RJ at the 3 something I'm desperate to see. I feel it just has to happen for him to flourish. Slow at 2 for me.

I'm going to tread carefully to not incur the text generating wrath of NY-Mentality.

I'd say they are all wings. Even Sexton. Even Lonzo. IQ. What matters is who they can guard but also how do they play on offense in terms of how they fit together. I mean, the most uber talented, well rounded guys fit with everyone. That's why everyone wants them. I don't know if RJ will become one of those guys, and Sexton is probably limited to guarding mostly 1's, but at least Lonzo/Rose/Vildoza seem switchable and RJ can guard 2 or 3 effectively enough, and his game is kind of 3/2, so that's somewhat versatile as well.

It's not the be all end all team, but it's good. And I have a gut feeling this is the move.
I guess I can hedge and say maybe they are trying to keep some $ open for Lavine, but I think they go "in" with Sexton/Lonzo.

[thebuzzardman]

Going to watch some Sexton highlight videos now to ramp up my disappointment when this doesn't happen.

[Capn'O]

If the Knicks come away with Sexton and Ball you don't worry so much about position. The Knicks have four playmakers with different and complimentary skills with Mitch playing cleanup. Only one player that doesn't space. Then you get a center you can play five out with. Then you hide Sexton on the worst or smallest on the opposing lineup on D.

[thebuzzardman]

If the Knicks come away with Sexton and Ball you don't worry so much about position. The Knicks have four playmakers with different and complimentary skills with Mitch playing cleanup. Only one player that doesn't space. Then you get a center you can play five out with. Then you hide Sexton on the worst or smallest on the opposing lineup on D.

Olynyk. He can function some as a backup 4 too. Well, depending on matchup.

[SARGO127]

If the Knicks come away with Sexton and Ball you don't worry so much about position. The Knicks have four playmakers with different and complimentary skills with Mitch playing cleanup. Only one player that doesn't space. Then you get a center you can play five out with. Then you hide Sexton on the worst or smallest on the opposing lineup on D.

Signing Lauri might not be the worst move if you move Obi.

Trade Obi, Knox, 19, 2 future 2nds for Sexton
Sign Lonzo 4/90
Sign DRose 2/20 TO (go over cap to sign)
Sign Taj 1/3
Sign Bullock 2/14
Sign Lauri 4/68

21 - C/F Kai Jones - can guard multiple positions and can stretch the floor.
32 - F Vrenz Bleijenbergh

Depth Chart
Lonzo - DRose - Vildoza
Sexton - IQ
Barrett - Bleijenbergh
Randle - Lauri - Kai Jones
Mitch - Lauri - Taj

[Capn'O]

If the Knicks come away with Sexton and Ball you don't worry so much about position. The Knicks have four playmakers with different and complimentary skills with Mitch playing cleanup. Only one player that doesn't space. Then you get a center you can play five out with. Then you hide Sexton on the worst or smallest on the opposing lineup on D.

Signing Lauri might not be the worst move if you move Obi.

Trade Obi, Knox, 19, 2 future 2nds for Sexton
Sign Lonzo 4/90
Sign DRose 2/20 TO (go over cap to sign)
Sign Taj 1/3
Sign Bullock 2/14
Sign Lauri 4/68

21 - C/F Kai Jones - can guard multiple positions and can stretch the floor.
32 - F Vrenz Bleijenbergh

Depth Chart
Lonzo - DRose - Vildoza
Sexton - IQ
Barrett - Bleijenbergh
Randle - Lauri - Kai Jones
Mitch - Lauri - Taj

I like this idea better:

Olynyk

Lauri concerns me as an expensive, 1 way big.

[Zenzibar]

I've seen it all and some of you guys are tripping. Where's all this Obi love coming from?

First off Sexton is already an elite scorer, only 22 and already scorching teams (see the 44pt demolition of the Nets) at a 24pt per game clip.

Secondly, Obi is not going to play over Randle as Randle is much more advance in all phases of his game. If you can fill in a backup for Randle via trade or draft you do it and get Sexton now before he's worth $40m per.

Thirdly, it's my understanding is that he's going to cost around the same as Ball, $18m low and $22m high for 5yrs. So it'll cost assets, my only concern is if there is a big fish at the 2021/2022 trading deadline we'll need all of our assets including Obi.

What I would do is wait till the draft and see who the Cavs select as they have propensity to draft the wrong dude too, unless it's a clear cut choice.
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NBA Draft: Cleveland Cavaliers receive C- in 2020 NBA Draft regrades

[Infinitimind]

Knicks are doing the following:

Trading Knox, Obi, #21 for Sexton
Trading #19 for Lonzo Ball
Drafting that Belgian dude at 32
Flipping pick #58 for future 2nd rounders in 2028,2029

Buzztrodamus has spoken

Knox is just not throw in. They can have Obi and the 21 is a fair deal for young players putting big number in a bad team

[Zenzibar]

Sexton/Rose
Lonzo/IQ
RJ/Vildoza
Randle/?
Mitch/Olynyk
Bullocks for shooting depth and continuity. Pinson for towel waiving. That Belgian dude for development. Pelle for 6 hard fouls. Some G-League guy to sell hope to Westchester.

Is it a championship team? No.
I'd say there are several players not that hard to trade if it doesn't work out, though timing will matter if it's pre max or post max Randle/RJ/Sexton.

RJ at the 3 something I'm desperate to see. I feel it just has to happen for him to flourish. Slow at 2 for me.

I'm going to tread carefully to not incur the text generating wrath of NY-Mentality.

I'd say they are all wings. Even Sexton. Even Lonzo. IQ. What matters is who they can guard but also how do they play on offense in terms of how they fit together. I mean, the most uber talented, well rounded guys fit with everyone. That's why everyone wants them. I don't know if RJ will become one of those guys, and Sexton is probably limited to guarding mostly 1's, but at least Lonzo/Rose/Vildoza seem switchable and RJ can guard 2 or 3 effectively enough, and his game is kind of 3/2, so that's somewhat versatile as well.

It's not the be all end all team, but it's good. And I have a gut feeling this is the move.
I guess I can hedge and say maybe they are trying to keep some $ open for Lavine, but I think they go "in" with Sexton/Lonzo.

I also see Lavine in the plans for a big move at the trading deadline, especially if the Bulls and Lavine can't come to an agreement. But it'll be Sexton over Ball, since the scoop on Ball is that he doesn't like the contact down low. You know Thibs, that's a pre-requisite.

Sexton will have to develop his passing skills, but if he does, oh man future all-star.

But Lonzo Ball is not breathing MSG, trust me.

[DowNY]

Knicks are doing the following:

Trading Knox, Obi, #21 for Sexton
Trading #19 for Lonzo Ball
Drafting that Belgian dude at 32
Flipping pick #58 for future 2nd rounders in 2028,2029

Buzztrodamus has spoken

Knox is just not throw in. They can have Obi and the 21 is a fair deal for young players putting big number in a bad team

LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

Delusion

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks are doing the following:

Trading Knox, Obi, #21 for Sexton
Trading #19 for Lonzo Ball
Drafting that Belgian dude at 32
Flipping pick #58 for future 2nd rounders in 2028,2029

Buzztrodamus has spoken

Knox is just not throw in. They can have Obi and the 21 is a fair deal for young players putting big number in a bad team

Hey, I'm all for any way they can keep it to two assets

[thebuzzardman]

RJ at the 3 something I'm desperate to see. I feel it just has to happen for him to flourish. Slow at 2 for me.

I'm going to tread carefully to not incur the text generating wrath of NY-Mentality.

I'd say they are all wings. Even Sexton. Even Lonzo. IQ. What matters is who they can guard but also how do they play on offense in terms of how they fit together. I mean, the most uber talented, well rounded guys fit with everyone. That's why everyone wants them. I don't know if RJ will become one of those guys, and Sexton is probably limited to guarding mostly 1's, but at least Lonzo/Rose/Vildoza seem switchable and RJ can guard 2 or 3 effectively enough, and his game is kind of 3/2, so that's somewhat versatile as well.

It's not the be all end all team, but it's good. And I have a gut feeling this is the move.
I guess I can hedge and say maybe they are trying to keep some $ open for Lavine, but I think they go "in" with Sexton/Lonzo.

I also see Lavine in the plans for a big move at the trading deadline, especially if the Bulls and Lavine can't come to an agreement. But it'll be Sexton over Ball, since the scoop on Ball is that he doesn't like the contact down low. You know Thibs, that's a pre-requisite.

Sexton will have to develop his passing skills, but if he does, oh man future all-star.

But Lonzo Ball is not breathing MSG, trust me.

Lonzo coming to fill the Bullocks shooting role, defend the guys Sexton can't, and provide some of the facilitating Sexton doesn't do

[ITGM]

Trade a 1st rounder, Knox, and Obi for Sexton
Purchase a late first rounder and package it with our remaining picks; move up to draft James Bouknight
Trade Mitch and a future pick for Myles Turner
Sign Duncan Robinson


Sex-a-ton/D.Rose/Luca V
Broadway Barrett/Quick
Duncan Robinson/Boogie Nights
Julius "Regular season MIP" Randle/Taj aka BK's Finest
Myles "The Ike" Turner/TBD


GET ER DONE, DONNIE!

[Zenzibar]

I'm going to tread carefully to not incur the text generating wrath of NY-Mentality.

I'd say they are all wings. Even Sexton. Even Lonzo. IQ. What matters is who they can guard but also how do they play on offense in terms of how they fit together. I mean, the most uber talented, well rounded guys fit with everyone. That's why everyone wants them. I don't know if RJ will become one of those guys, and Sexton is probably limited to guarding mostly 1's, but at least Lonzo/Rose/Vildoza seem switchable and RJ can guard 2 or 3 effectively enough, and his game is kind of 3/2, so that's somewhat versatile as well.

It's not the be all end all team, but it's good. And I have a gut feeling this is the move.
I guess I can hedge and say maybe they are trying to keep some $ open for Lavine, but I think they go "in" with Sexton/Lonzo.

I also see Lavine in the plans for a big move at the trading deadline, especially if the Bulls and Lavine can't come to an agreement. But it'll be Sexton over Ball, since the scoop on Ball is that he doesn't like the contact down low. You know Thibs, that's a pre-requisite.

Sexton will have to develop his passing skills, but if he does, oh man future all-star.

But Lonzo Ball is not breathing MSG, trust me.

Lonzo coming to fill the Bullocks shooting role, defend the guys Sexton can't, and provide some of the facilitating Sexton doesn't do

Nah Bro, the Knicks ain't trading away all their 2021 picks for both Sexton/Lonzo
Pick one.

For me, I wouldn't do either. Lavine is the guy I want and will wait patiently till the next trading deadline. We'll need a lot of our assets for that one.

[Zenzibar]

A good write up on Sexton.


NBA Draft: Could Cavs have gone a different direction in 2018?
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Collin Sexton, Cleveland Cavaliers
Cavs: Looking back at the 2018 NBA Draft

To start off here, let’s be honest and say the 2018 NBA Draft, at least the top of it, has to be one of the best in league history. Deandre Ayton was taken first overall by the Phoenix Suns, who are two wins away from a title. The second and fourth picks were Marvin Bagley III and Jaren Jackson Jr., who are still a work in progress, but the progress looks good. Finally picks 3 and 5 were Luka Doncic and Trae Young.

I could go into detail about the trades that happened, but for now, let’s just call this group, the tier one of the 2018 NBA Draft, and Collin Sexton is nowhere near that tier.

Sexton was listed as a point guard when drafted, but at this point, he’s not a primary ball-handler. So for the sake of the article, let’s overlook the success that Michael Porter Jr. (14), Miles Bridges (12), and Mikal Bridges (10) have had, because they play completely different roles for their individual teams.

So going forward, let’s compare Sexton’s time in the league with guys like Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Donte DiVincenzo, Kevin Huerter and Zhaire Smith.

Cavs: Sexton is an inferior player compared to Gilgeous-Alexander

The first thing you do when you look at the first round of the 2018 NBA Draft is you see that Sexton was taken eighth, while Shai Gilgeous-Alexander was taken 11th. Through the first two years of their careers, there is an argument to be made that Sexton was the better player. However, after this past year, it’s become clear that SGA is much better.

This year Gilgeous-Alexander scored almost 24 points per game, to go with six assists and five rebounds per game. On top of that he shot 42 percent from three, and had a 57 percent effective field goal percentage. In contrast, Sexton only shot 37 percent from three and had an effective field goal percentage of 52 percent. To pile on some more, Sexton has a really high usage rate of 29 percent, while also having a low assist rate.

Finally, if you watch Sexton and Gilgeous-Alexander, it’s clear the SGA is the superior guard, and a much better defender.

[Marty McFly]

Sexton is going to be the centerpiece of a Simmons trade so half the people on this board are going to be mad that he got traded for a that "scrub" who airballed a dunk.

[DowNY]

Trade a 1st rounder, Knox, and Obi for Sexton
Purchase a late first rounder and package it with our remaining picks; move up to draft James Bouknight
Trade Mitch and a future pick for Myles Turner
Sign Duncan Robinson


Sex-a-ton/D.Rose/Luca V
Broadway Barrett/Quick
Duncan Robinson/Boogie Nights
Julius "Regular season MIP" Randle/Taj aka BK's Finest
Myles "The Ike" Turner/TBD


GET ER DONE, DONNIE!

Replace Taj with the return of Carmelo

[Jimmit79]

Some of y'all fools are never happy. We got a chance to nab a young scoring PG who fits what the coach wants - one who attacks the paint relentlessly. Yet people wanna hold onto an older draft pick who will get 15 mins max as long as Randle is on the roster.

Most of the naysayers are penny mizers they will never be happy for any talented players because they're too much concerned with holding there cup full of change.

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[DaGawd]

Knicks are doing the following:

Trading Knox, Obi, #21 for Sexton
Trading #19 for Lonzo Ball
Drafting that Belgian dude at 32
Flipping pick #58 for future 2nd rounders in 2028,2029

Buzztrodamus has spoken

Knox is just not throw in. They can have Obi and the 21 is a fair deal for young players putting big number in a bad team

Wow a Knox believer… didn’t think there were any of those left

[Jimmit79]

He plays awful against good defenses. He's an ESPN hype machine.

Sexton vs. NY

Game 1:
6/17 (.353%).
1/4 from 3 (.250%).
20 points.
4 assists.
2 rebounds.
1 steal.
-7 point differential.
Lost by 9 points (to the 2-2 Knicks team).

And...

Game 2.
6/18 (.333%).
0/4 from 3 (.000%).
17 points.
5 assists.
1 rebound.
0 steals.
-10 point differential.
Lost by 21 points (to a 9-11 Knicks team).

He played like dig crap against a Knicks team who hadn't yet gelled as a team together under Thibs and I remember watching him and asking myself what's all this hype about?

Elfrid Payton out played him 1/2 games.

PS: During the 1 game Cleveland played us without him? They actually BEAT US without him

It's a serious red flag and alarming how Cleveland is already ready to QUIT ON HIM (after only 3 years)...

Should we pull up some of RJ's splits against bad defenses? You know, the kid you compared to Kobe who is nowhere near the player Sexton is and probably won't ever be.

I still remember when Kuzma made RJ his bitch lol.

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