Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Mik317]

So let’s just give him away for whatever is being offered atm and move on

I'd rather let him rot.

Cool

Welcome to the 6th seed

we'd be the 6 seed if we just trade him for trash too.

so who cares

[Negrodamus]

The problem with Sexton is you immediately have to sign him to a max extension. So you don't even get the cap relief to find another player later on.

So you better be 100% sure he can be the guy to help put this over the top.

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It's a fair point. If he were injury prone, I'd be scared off. Not to say he's going to stay healthy, especially given his ability to draw contact, but he's a risk we should take since he checks off most boxes.

[Stanford]

Yeah, he's healthy, young, and intrinsically motivated. Totally fine with a max deal.

[VDT]

Simmons might come off as a bit soft and a spoled brat but it was not hard to see that coming and it is frankly mostly a SIxers' fault.

Not that Simmons is not to receive any blame for his lack of progress offensively, but putting so much emphasis on his 3 point shot, when it could be seen, since the time he got in the league (and even before ), that he was a terrible shooter, with awful mechanics and possibly shooting with the wrong hand, didnt make any sense. It didnt then and it doesnt now. It is like demanding that Curry develops a post up game and judge him based on that. It is a frustrating situation for both sides, one that could be resolved only with a trade. Simmons gets it, Morey gets it. Its just the timing (and Fertitta) that is the problem now.

Simmons is also right about Embiid, their styles dont match. Not because Embiid needs to play in the paint but because Simmons needs to play a high pace style, that's where he shines. From his point of view, he plays on a team that plays the exact opposite style and he is constantly asked (and judged based on that) to become a good shooter. In other words, he is set up for failure here. Now he has officially become the scapegoat for a failed season (when it was obviously not just his fault) and he was going to get booed the moment that his lack of shooting improvement became evident (even if hadnt asked out).

It is not hard to see why he has demanded a trade and why he probably thinks that he will look better in any other team in the league (and he could be right). Most players in the league would do the same in his shoes, especially after almost getting traded last year. Staying here will probably only harm his career.

[Negrodamus]

I've said it before and I'll reiterate: I am not annoyed that Ben doesn't shoot threes; I am annoyed that he doesn't shoot period. He only takes shots from 0-6 ft. If DeMar DeRozan took Ben's spot, he would not have any issues coexisting with Joel because he shoots from 0-20ish feet (takes close to zero threes). He's also an 80+ FT% shooter. If Ben could shoot *AT ALL*, we would not be in this situation right now.

[Kobblehead]

I can't get onboard with taking back Sexton instead of Garland. Garland is the prize of the Cavs, IMO.

[Bum Adebayo]

You need to max Sexton? so what? didn't we need to max Simmons too? we are here scared about maxing a player who may or may not be that good in the end but at least you know he works very hard to improve, but there was no issue about maxing a guy that never showed any improvement whatsoever? yeah **** that ****.
If Sexton is our most realistic target, then I'm on board with it no doubt about it.

[stormi]

I can't get onboard with taking back Sexton instead of Garland. Garland is the prize of the Cavs, IMO.

I literally told you this months ago and you fought me for 5 pages.

[Bum Adebayo]

I can't get onboard with taking back Sexton instead of Garland. Garland is the prize of the Cavs, IMO.

Yeah but they won't trade him, so Sexton is a good consolation prize for Bum Simmons and the mess he has created.

[the_process]

And now Ben is here until Christmas.

[Tomjas]

I can't get onboard with taking back Sexton instead of Garland. Garland is the prize of the Cavs, IMO.

Yeah but they won't trade him, so Sexton is a good consolation prize for Bum Simmons and the mess he has created.

Morey created the mess

He could have traded Simmons at any time and hasn’t done so

[stormi]

And now Ben is here until Christmas.

I'm holding Ben until a legit premium asset is placed on the table, or the entirety of a teams future draft capital without restriction.

We missed the last desperation cycle which was draft night. The next one will be like a month into the season when certain teams inevitably spiral.

[DCasey91]

This has got me pumped to let the dude sit and win a bunch of games without him. **** yeah.

Morey could spin it brilliantly here.

Ben: “Why haven’t I been traded yet?”

Morey: “Sorry Ben we haven’t found the right deal.”

Ben (not thinking properly): “Don’t care trade me can’t you see the point I’m trying to make.”

Morey: .... “Well the Cavs offered us 2 second rounders and Love. (Not an actual deal but Morey playing 4DGMCHESS)

Ben: “.... wtf is that all?”

(If this report is official then karma incoming)

Morey is a G if he did this.

Ben gets traded for a crap package his image and perceived value (which is drowning by the minute) around the league is sunk to the bottom.

If Ben doesn’t get traded for a crap package and no one offers up a fair sum on trade value then Ben doesn’t play and loses money and value from his own self imposed exile.

I mean this has to rank as All TIME GOAT SIXERS drama.

I seriously doubt that Simmons cares what he’s traded for

Morey needs to do his job and move him for whatever

Tomjas he has a fragile ego of course he would.

[Tomjas]

Morey could spin it brilliantly here.

Ben: “Why haven’t I been traded yet?”

Morey: “Sorry Ben we haven’t found the right deal.”

Ben (not thinking properly): “Don’t care trade me can’t you see the point I’m trying to make.”

Morey: .... “Well the Cavs offered us 2 second rounders and Love. (Not an actual deal but Morey playing 4DGMCHESS)

Ben: “.... wtf is that all?”

(If this report is official then karma incoming)

Morey is a G if he did this.

Ben gets traded for a crap package his image and perceived value (which is drowning by the minute) around the league is sunk to the bottom.

If Ben doesn’t get traded for a crap package and no one offers up a fair sum on trade value then Ben doesn’t play and loses money and value from his own self imposed exile.

I mean this has to rank as All TIME GOAT SIXERS drama.

I seriously doubt that Simmons cares what he’s traded for

Morey needs to do his job and move him for whatever

Tomjas he has a fragile ego of course he would.

Sitting out craters his value

He wants out and doesn’t care about the return

[Bum Adebayo]

I can't get onboard with taking back Sexton instead of Garland. Garland is the prize of the Cavs, IMO.

Yeah but they won't trade him, so Sexton is a good consolation prize for Bum Simmons and the mess he has created.

Morey created the mess

He could have traded Simmons at any time and hasn’t done so

Simmons is under contract, he has no need to trade him, and no obligation too, it's just Simmons here who wants to get out, we can't trade him for peanuts just because our little primadonna has decided he wants out, if a good enough trade presents itself then ok, but if not, the team can't just accept the demands of a player who himself accepted a 5-year contract to play here.

[Bum Adebayo]

You guys need to understand that if Morey bows down to Simmons, then other players, no matter what team, will start doing the same, players with 3 or 4 years left on their contract will start to force out of their teams, these players will see that they don't need to play for that "****" franchise anymore, they can just force out and owner will comply because "if not, his value will plumet".

[RedSalsa]

Yeah but they won't trade him, so Sexton is a good consolation prize for Bum Simmons and the mess he has created.

Morey created the mess

He could have traded Simmons at any time and hasn’t done so

Simmons is under contract, he has no need to trade him, and no obligation too, it's just Simmons here who wants to get out, we can't trade him for peanuts just because our little primadonna has decided he wants out, if a good enough trade presents itself then ok, but if not, the team can't just accept the demands of a player who himself accepted a 5-year contract to play here.

Bingo

[DCasey91]

I seriously doubt that Simmons cares what he’s traded for

Morey needs to do his job and move him for whatever

Tomjas he has a fragile ego of course he would.

Sitting out craters his value

He wants out and doesn’t care about the return

That’s his own doing here. He’s under contract for 4 years

Hence my overall statements.

[DCasey91]

The domino effect of past player contract/management disputes as well with what the world is today,

Put simply “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.”

I’m taking the collective in this instance. Media day was handled well by the playing group, it’s disrespectful literally hours after if that report is true.

Paul/Ben and Ben’s associates have done this to themselves. They are all playing a game here and they are losing.

If Ben doesn’t learn from this (which he hasn’t so far) then to Ben fans what makes you think he’ll change his spots in the future?

[the_process]

You need to max Sexton? so what? didn't we need to max Simmons too? we are here scared about maxing a player who may or may not be that good in the end but at least you know he works very hard to improve, but there was no issue about maxing a guy that never showed any improvement whatsoever? yeah **** that ****.
If Sexton is our most realistic target, then I'm on board with it no doubt about it.

Sexton and Maxey won’t work. If you are acquiring Sexton and a bunch of picks, then you need to move Maxey for a catch and shoot guy who can defend to play with him. Or if you can get a dynamic scoring wing, then Thybulle can start.