MadDogSHWA wrote:I thought Svi was a pro-Euro player with several years of exp. I had no idea he's a second-year player. Wow.
This is his 4th season. He seems like he's been around forever because he started Kansas as a 16 year old.
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MadDogSHWA wrote:I thought Svi was a pro-Euro player with several years of exp. I had no idea he's a second-year player. Wow.
Jcity08 wrote:OG - Barnes - Precious are our core of the future. Its such a balance of defense and offense between these 3.
ATLTimekeeper wrote:MadDogSHWA wrote:I thought Svi was a pro-Euro player with several years of exp. I had no idea he's a second-year player. Wow.
This is his 4th season. He seems like he's been around forever because he started Kansas as a 16 year old.
Johnny Bball wrote:Tha Cynic wrote:Whoever helped OG with his game this offseason needs to work with Barnes.
OG helped OG. It’s not some teaching miracle. Its time and work.
Just saying…..because hearing someone giving someone else the credit for that hard work would be kinda annoying.
johanliebert wrote:Jcity08 wrote:OG - Barnes - Precious are our core of the future. Its such a balance of defense and offense between these 3.
That core will result in lottery finishes. Barnes needs better talent around him.
If OG ends up averaging 20 this team isn’t going nowhere.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:johanliebert wrote:Jcity08 wrote:OG - Barnes - Precious are our core of the future. Its such a balance of defense and offense between these 3.
That core will result in lottery finishes. Barnes needs better talent around him.
If OG ends up averaging 20 this team isn’t going nowhere.
where's the downvote button when you need one.
tecumseh18 wrote:LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:johanliebert wrote:That core will result in lottery finishes. Barnes needs better talent around him.
If OG ends up averaging 20 this team isn’t going nowhere.
where's the downvote button when you need one.
Please don't quote posters that many of us block.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
johanliebert wrote:Jcity08 wrote:OG - Barnes - Precious are our core of the future. Its such a balance of defense and offense between these 3.
That core will result in lottery finishes. Barnes needs better talent around him.
If OG ends up averaging 20 this team isn’t going nowhere.
johanliebert wrote:Jcity08 wrote:OG - Barnes - Precious are our core of the future. Its such a balance of defense and offense between these 3.
That core will result in lottery finishes. Barnes needs better talent around him.
If OG ends up averaging 20 this team isn’t going nowhere.
Tha Cynic wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:Tha Cynic wrote:Whoever helped OG with his game this offseason needs to work with Barnes.
OG helped OG. It’s not some teaching miracle. Its time and work.
Just saying…..because hearing someone giving someone else the credit for that hard work would be kinda annoying.
Lol, you can't practice or work on someone's game for them obviously.
What I mean is whoever gave him tips or even if it was OG himself who figured out how to do all this and become what he is now, it would do the Raptors well to have that person give tips to Barnes. The one similarity I see between the two is how raw both were when they came into the league. Barnes is clearly a bit more fluid and he had a bit more to his offensive game, buy his shot isn't there yet.
Maybe Kawhi gave OG some tips, maybe it's the Raptors training staff or OG himself. Whatever it is, Barnes has the work ethic to take those type of tips and apply it.
It's just a way of saying, OG has made tremendous strides and it's amazing how fluid he looks now.
JYD wrote:Could someone summarize the nothingness please?
lorax wrote:Tha Cynic wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:
OG helped OG. It’s not some teaching miracle. Its time and work.
Just saying…..because hearing someone giving someone else the credit for that hard work would be kinda annoying.
Lol, you can't practice or work on someone's game for them obviously.
What I mean is whoever gave him tips or even if it was OG himself who figured out how to do all this and become what he is now, it would do the Raptors well to have that person give tips to Barnes. The one similarity I see between the two is how raw both were when they came into the league. Barnes is clearly a bit more fluid and he had a bit more to his offensive game, buy his shot isn't there yet.
Maybe Kawhi gave OG some tips, maybe it's the Raptors training staff or OG himself. Whatever it is, Barnes has the work ethic to take those type of tips and apply it.
It's just a way of saying, OG has made tremendous strides and it's amazing how fluid he looks now.
There is no doubt in my mind that playing with and practicing against Kawhi had a positive influence on OGs growth on both sides of the ball.
execoftheyear wrote:Jcity08 wrote:execoftheyear wrote:
the disrespect to Siakam. OG's improved handle might actually allow us to play him some minutes at the 2. A lineup of Freddie, OG, Barnes, Siakam and Precious (and once Banton develops replacing him with Freddie) will give us the most switchable/versatile lineup in the league. I feel like Delon Wright would fit like a glove with this team.
I dont see the disrespect to Siakam, I genuinely dont care where he fits in to our lineup long term, Im talking about 3 skilled guys under 25 that can elevate each other.
Siakam was a legit second option on a championship team. People here have short term memory. Yes, he's been forced into a batman role since that championship team fell apart and hasn't looked as good in that role but with so many versatile threats that are more than capable of shouldering the load on offense, I think we'll see the old Siakam back, the more efficient Siakam that can now choose his spots instead of forcing his game. With an expected decrease in his usage rate, expect his efficiency to improve significantly.
Jcity08 wrote:execoftheyear wrote:Jcity08 wrote:
I dont see the disrespect to Siakam, I genuinely dont care where he fits in to our lineup long term, Im talking about 3 skilled guys under 25 that can elevate each other.
Siakam was a legit second option on a championship team. People here have short term memory. Yes, he's been forced into a batman role since that championship team fell apart and hasn't looked as good in that role but with so many versatile threats that are more than capable of shouldering the load on offense, I think we'll see the old Siakam back, the more efficient Siakam that can now choose his spots instead of forcing his game. With an expected decrease in his usage rate, expect his efficiency to improve significantly.
Thats fair, he'll still be productive barring a major injury but Im not overly concerned what his fate on the team or personal development looks like long term. My current focus is seeing how the 3 players I named develop together with the prediction that they'll be the core of the future. Feel free to disagree.
Madhouse wrote:Jcity08 wrote:execoftheyear wrote:
Siakam was a legit second option on a championship team. People here have short term memory. Yes, he's been forced into a batman role since that championship team fell apart and hasn't looked as good in that role but with so many versatile threats that are more than capable of shouldering the load on offense, I think we'll see the old Siakam back, the more efficient Siakam that can now choose his spots instead of forcing his game. With an expected decrease in his usage rate, expect his efficiency to improve significantly.
Thats fair, he'll still be productive barring a major injury but Im not overly concerned what his fate on the team or personal development looks like long term. My current focus is seeing how the 3 players I named develop together with the prediction that they'll be the core of the future. Feel free to disagree.
I think those 3 along with whoever we get for Siakam/FVV plus the player we draft in the lottery next year (if we are in the lottery). Pretty sure Masai still wants to rebuild the backcourt with at least 1 true shotmaker.