Political Roundtable Part XXXI

[dobrojim]

1. Biden knew he couldn’t force vax and so he didn’t try. TFG thinks he can do whatever.
2. Which conspiracy theories about Trump are you talking about?
3. Russia did interfere in 2016. It’s a fact. That’s why Mueller indicted a bunch of Russians.

[Zonkerbl]

nuh uh I know it's true because Fox News says so

[Scarletfire81]

1. Biden knew he couldn’t force vax and so he didn’t try. TFG thinks he can do whatever.
2. Which conspiracy theories about Trump are you talking about?
3. Russia did interfere in 2016. It’s a fact. That’s why Mueller indicted a bunch of Russians.

He couldn’t force the vax but he wanted to.

There are million leftist conspiracy theories about Trump. He didn’t conspire with Russia to win the election, he’s not the next Hitler, he’s not fascist, He didn’t force the secret service to turn the car around on Jan 6th. That’s just off the top of my head. You could literally write a book on just leftist conspiracies about Trump.

Democrats whined about Trump winning for 4 years and it had nothing to do with Russia.

[dobrojim]

You know he wanted _to force_ vax people because….?
He (Golfy McBonespurs) is not fascist (or racist) because he’s just misunderstood
and actually a nice guy.
C Hutch lied under oath and all the SS guys just don’t have time to come in and testify
under oath even though they first said they were eager to refute her under oath.

Your belief about Russia is simply not supported by the actual factual evidence
that is in the public record ‘cause you can’t make me read it. Therefore it
doesn’t exist.

[Zonkerbl]

Don't feed the fascist!

[doclinkin]

Biden calls the other side fascist but he would of forced everyone to get the jab if he could of.

Fascists save lives? And wait, your lead-off complaint is something you think he would have done, but in fact didn't do? So you are oppressed by your own imagination?

Also he calls the other side conspiracy theorist but yet the left believes every wild conspiracy about Trump. He’s says the other side won’t accept the election results but the democrats cried Russia interference for 4 years. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Yet it was proven that Russia did interfere. The only question was whether he colluded with Russia and benefitted by that. Unproven. Yet his campaign meet with Russian handlers. And now he left with a haul of secret documents that he didn't tell anyone he had declassified until he was caught with them, after which he only returned some of them, his lawyers claiming they were all returned, and when finally they were foricbly retrieved, turns out a large portion of them had been emptied of their contents.

Those are facts, not conspiracy. Imagine for a second it was Obama who left with classified documents, and refused to return them, and then the contents of the top secret documents when forcibly returned, were in fact still missing. Realistically, how would you react?

It doesn't require a conspiracy theory with Trump, just a recitation of facts is damning. What godly reason would he have for keeping classified material and not telling anybody? Then hiding them. And refusing to return them when intel officers were concerned about national security regarding their handling? In what world does this make any sense.

If you can answer for those facts without resorting to "But but but, Hunter Biden" or some offsetting conspiracy, I'd love to hear it. I really want to know how Trump followers support what he actually has done. What are the twists in logic you have to go through to decide this is reasonable behavior.

[Zonkerbl]

You can save space with "ARGLE BLARGLE DEM CONSPIRACY THEORIES"

[Zonkerbl]

Read on Twitter

[Zonkerbl]

Like seriously, this is your God?

Read on Twitter

[Scarletfire81]

Like seriously, this is your God?

Read on Twitter

He is simply a political figure. Ya’ll are more obsessed than with him than his supporters. Trump said take the vaccine and a lot of us didn’t, because we don’t hang on every word of our politicians like you guys do.

[Scarletfire81]

Biden calls the other side fascist but he would of forced everyone to get the jab if he could of.

Fascists save lives? And wait, your lead-off complaint is something you think he would have done, but in fact didn't do? So you are oppressed by your own imagination?

Also he calls the other side conspiracy theorist but yet the left believes every wild conspiracy about Trump. He’s says the other side won’t accept the election results but the democrats cried Russia interference for 4 years. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Yet it was proven that Russia did interfere. The only question was whether he colluded with Russia and benefitted by that. Unproven. Yet his campaign meet with Russian handlers. And now he left with a haul of secret documents that he didn't tell anyone he had declassified until he was caught with them, after which he only returned some of them, his lawyers claiming they were all returned, and when finally they were foricbly retrieved, turns out a large portion of them had been emptied of their contents.

Those are facts, not conspiracy. Imagine for a second it was Obama who left with classified documents, and refused to return them, and then the contents of the top secret documents when forcibly returned, were in fact still missing. Realistically, how would you react?

It doesn't require a conspiracy theory with Trump, just a recitation of facts is damning. What godly reason would he have for keeping classified material and not telling anybody? Then hiding them. And refusing to return them when intel officers were concerned about national security regarding their handling? In what world does this make any sense.

If you can answer for those facts without resorting to "But but but, Hunter Biden" or some offsetting conspiracy, I'd love to hear it. I really want to know how Trump followers support what he actually has done. What are the twists in logic you have to go through to decide this is reasonable behavior.

“Recitation of facts is damning.” No it’s not, maybe against Biden & is his shady past. But nothing will happen to Trump. Deal with it.

[dobrojim]

You from Wisc?

Watch on YouTube

[dobrojim]

The US has no monopoly on dysfunctional politics.

Watch on YouTube

[Zonkerbl]

Like seriously, this is your God?

Read on Twitter

He is simply a political figure. Ya’ll are more obsessed than with him than his supporters. Trump said take the vaccine and a lot of us didn’t, because we don’t hang on every word of our politicians like you guys do.

Oh that's a relief, so you won't be voting for him in 2024? Welcome to the resistance, friend! Biden 2024!

[doclinkin]

What are the twists in logic you have to go through to decide this is reasonable behavior.

“Recitation of facts is damning.” No it’s not, maybe against Biden & is his shady past. But nothing will happen to Trump. Deal with it.

So yeah. All you got is: "he's my guy, and nah nah nah I'm not listening. And also: Biden something something Biden". Got it. No explanation. No reason. No logic.

That proves the point that his supporters don't really care what reality is. They will follow him no matter what. Even into treason and selling out our country's best interests.

Facts are facts. The guy you support is a dangerous security risk for our country. According to our own Intelligence agencies and Law Enforcement. Even the guys who worked for him say so, even the guys he appointed. Trust this: Fox news does not know better than our Intel agencies what is best for our country. They have profit motive for taking a side. Our intelligence guys and LE heads do not. Their job is not selling advertising and drama to ignorant masses, their only job is preventing America's enemies from exploiting our weaknesses.

Sadly, dude, you are that exploitable weakness. Stubborn ignorance and immunity to facts is an exploitable weakness. Makes you a Russian tool. A Saudi simp. Like Trump.

[pancakes3]

He is simply a political figure. Ya’ll are more obsessed than with him than his supporters. Trump said take the vaccine and a lot of us didn’t, because we don’t hang on every word of our politicians like you guys do.

lol, so you just refuse to take the vaccine because...

you believe abortion is murder because...

you don't believe in climate change because...

hint: it's because you're dumb easily manipulated, and those talking points have been carefully targeted to resonate with the dumb easily manipulated.

[Scarletfire81]

What are the twists in logic you have to go through to decide this is reasonable behavior.

“Recitation of facts is damning.” No it’s not, maybe against Biden & is his shady past. But nothing will happen to Trump. Deal with it.

So yeah. All you got is: "he's my guy, and nah nah nah I'm not listening. And also: Biden something something Biden". Got it. No explanation. No reason. No logic.

That proves the point that his supporters don't really care what reality is. They will follow him no matter what. Even into treason and selling out our country's best interests.

Facts are facts. The guy you support is a dangerous security risk for our country. According to our own Intelligence agencies and Law Enforcement. Even the guys who worked for him say so, even the guys he appointed. Trust this: Fox news does not know better than our Intel agencies what is best for our country. They have profit motive for taking a side. Our intelligence guys and LE heads do not. Their job is not selling advertising and drama to ignorant masses, their only job is preventing America's enemies from exploiting our weaknesses.

Sadly, dude, you are that exploitable weakness. Stubborn ignorance and immunity to facts is an exploitable weakness. Makes you a Russian tool. A Saudi simp. Like Trump.

Disagree with this. All you can do is try in insult the other side & hope it sticks. It won’t anymore, that’s over. But keep trying.

[Scarletfire81]

He is simply a political figure. Ya’ll are more obsessed than with him than his supporters. Trump said take the vaccine and a lot of us didn’t, because we don’t hang on every word of our politicians like you guys do.

lol, so you just refuse to take the vaccine because...

you believe abortion is murder because...

you don't believe in climate change because...

hint: it's because you're dumb easily manipulated, and those talking points have been carefully targeted to resonate with the dumb easily manipulated.

Stop gaslighting, you are the one bringing up the talking points.

[doclinkin]

Stubborn ignorance and immunity to facts is an exploitable weakness.

Disagree with this. All you can do is try in insult the other side & hope it sticks. It won’t anymore, that’s over. But keep trying.

So refute it with facts. It's not me who raided Trump's Florida retreat. Those are not my allegations on the search warrant. I asked you for your opinion why it is reasonable for Trump to refuse to return absolute top level classified documents, and when recovered, why they were empty.

You refused to answer. And saying you don't care. That Trump is your guy. That is exactly how our foreign adversaries weaponize American ignorance. Ignorance= does not know. Which is what is called a 'useful idiot".

I'm no Biden fan. He's a lifelong politician which means he has cut some deals that I disagree with along the way, and betrayed some of my core principles. But his overall interest is in alignment with whatever benefits the majority of his voters. Which means he has shifted positions as American politics have shifted. Trump is dangerous because he literally only cares about his own self interest. And will sell out his allies in a heartbeat. Including people who vote for him. Look through all the people he has thrown under the bus along the way. You think he wouldn't do that to our country? He has talked about how he might have to leave the country. The ordinary guy who voted for him doesn't have that luxury. To cut and run to protect his money.

I'm saying if you don't bother to think about the facts of what is happening, then yeah, you are choosing to remain ignorant. That's not an insult, that is the definition of the word. Your answer is, again, "I don't care". Which seems like a dangerous thing to say about the security of our country. Gets our allies murdered.

[dobrojim]

10 Signs of Gaslighting Behaviour:

Blatant Lies. You know the person is lying, often and with ease, yet they say they
do not recognise this in their behaviour. ...

>>>Fact: approximately 30,000 false or misleading statements during his 4 year term

Deny, Deny, Deny. You know what they said. ...

>>>This should sound familiar to anyone paying a sliver of attention

Using What You Love Against You. ...

>>>America First? I don't think so. DJT, 1st 2nd and 3rd ....see first impeachment

Losing Your Sense of Self. ...
Words Versus Actions. ...

>>>We will have that (health care, infrastructure, immigration) plan ready in about 2 weeks

Love and Flattery. ...
Confusion. ...
Projecting.

>>>The King - Nothing that goes wrong is his fault. All successes are because of him.
>>>If that's what he is accusing the other side of, it's probably because that is what
>>>he himself is doing.

Contrast that with what has been said here in response to your contributions.
Which of these signs of gaslighting can you point to as something said in response to you in
the last page or so of this thread?

Something untrue would be a good start.

Your guy, Golfy McBonespurs, is a champion gaslighter of the first order. A quick google search
of "trump gaslighting" returns the following among many other hits:

Donald Trump is gaslighting America.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephaniesarkis/2020/10/27/what-lesley-stahl-can-teach-you-about-dealing-with-gaslighting/?sh=17c7e5ee3a4a

Similar to Kristen Welker at the second presidential debates, Stahl set limits at the beginning. She says to Trump, “Are you ready for some tough questions?” She repeated the question when she did not get a firm answer. At the beginning of the interview, you see Trump appears somewhat friendly. Note how quickly his mask comes off, and he becomes belligerent towards Stahl. It common for gaslighters to change abruptly when they are not getting what they want, they are caught in a lie, or they feel they are being treated unfairly. Note that for gaslighters, anything you do that they don’t like is seen as unfair.

There are myriad of other examples of tRump doing this.

You say our insults won't stick (anymore). We don't necessarily mean to insult but it's
kinda hard to take someone seriously who backs tRump AND talks about Biden's "shady past".
Seriously.

tRump was and is a master of manipulation which he accomplishes in part by telling
people their lot in life isn't their fault, it's someone else's fault. I'm old enough to
remember when the GOP used to be the self sufficiency party that promoted pulling
oneself up by the bootstraps. Not blaming someone or something else. Now, not so much.