Neutral 123 wrote:newyork wrote:Neutral 123 wrote:I have no reason to believe anything. My argument is that in a free society, why would a business pay $1 to a white man when they can pay .63 to an equally qualified black woman? If this is true, then why aren't black people creating businesses and hiring black people and dominating entire industries?
And I said nothing of anyone being superior. What I will argue is that there is zero reasons to expect equal outcomes among groups. We are not even equal to ourselves day to day and throughout our lives. Are you equal to what you were 20 years ago?
It's laughable to expect equal outcomes among racial groups. Just differences in age demographics would impact average income. The problem is too many leftists regurgitate the news and think they are informed.
They struggle with even how to go about knowing if what they are hearing is true. If it appeals to their emotions, then the message must be true. A terrible way to know anything.
See you don't have any reason to believe anything. I have plenty reason. As we are in the year 2024 where tons of research and data have been gathered over the generations of these very topics.
Researchers looking to get as accurate information as they possibly could have already fine tuned every possible characteristic to match up people as identical as possible. Your age demographic point is mute. Bottom line across the board people in positions of power. Majority of them are white due to holding higher population numbers, and many circumstances we don't need to get into at this moment. They make judgement decisions as anyone with positions of power usually do. Studies have all shown that their decisions tend to be biased. The common bias is just human nature of being more comfortable to what you relate to. These social issues have always been studied with laws put in place to protect people from their own biases and prejudices.
Example, studies and research have shown that a judge who is white will be more lenient towards a white person who commits the same exact crime. So same judge having his ruling studied and the cases broken down to identify scenarios replicating themselves pretty much to the T, with even things like age getting taken into account. Judges didn't even know they were ruling this bias for one. They could just relate to that white person better, pushing them to want to be more lenient. Teachers (majority white)were more likely to offer advanced classes to white students & more likely to reprimand black students due to relatability. Employers (majority white) if the same resume is used were more likely by a large margin to call back a person with a white sounding name than a person with a black sounding name. Same exact resume used for testing purposes. ETC ETC ETC pretty much every single area that has to do with judgement calls and evaluation.
There is just way to much data that supports the overall picture for the need for diversity, and its importance. So for you to claim these views are over emotion. Seems more so just a talking point that you received from someone else that you yourself are regurgitating. The amount of decisions that have already been made that left groups of people isolated and vulnerable to this day because they didn't have one person in the room that related or could bring different perspective to light. Overall more damage gets done than good in the long run for everyone.
Black ownership can be a post by itself. But will say this was the importance of Black Wall Street at the time it was established. This was post slavery where African Americans were the least educated and held the lease amount of wealth. Yet established one of the most prosperous communities in US history. There were no gangs, no drugs, no rap, no black on black crime etc for people to blame. This would have been the standard for Black people in America and used as the backbone for the future generations. Also at a time frame before inflation. When property and ownership et was the cheapest it ever could have been. Black families in the future would have generated actual wealth from the increased of value over time.
Let's assume that whites are biased against blacks. We are still left to figure out why this bias doesn't impact other groups? Why are other POCs able to thrive in America? Some groups even earning higher incomes than the white population?
We are also left to explain why we see higher than average standard test scores from these other POCs, but lower test scores from blacks?
We must also address the fact that if equally qualified blacks are being paid a fraction of what whites make, then this provides a huge opportunity for black entrepreneurs to hire other blacks and undercut the competition.
As for these race researchers, they have an incentive to paint the story they do. In short, it pays their bills.
As for black Wall Street, that was a small little business district that was REBUILT in 4 years. And there were thriving black communities AFTER Tulsa. Detroit was destroyed after a healthy black middle class city ended up with riots. This instability fueled an exit from Detroit for many companies and the end of a prosperous black Detroit. The people pushing race grievance all live very well though. Very very well.
Thing is we don't have to assume anything. Research and data have removed the need for assumptions.
There is no other group of people within America that I know of, that have had to consecutively deal with Slavery(1619-1860), Jim Crow(1877-1965), Segregation(1896-1945), Destruction of BWS(1916-1921), Tuskegee Syphilis Study(1932-1972), Redlining(1933-1968), assassination's of key figure heads Malcom X(1965), MLK(1968), Influx of drugs and guns through Nixon from the Vietnam War(1970s) into US ghettos created by Redlining. War on Drugs(1970s-2000s), Mass incarceration(1970s-2010s).
When you can show me the similar history & obstacles in the US with every group of people. Then we can have legit comparison conversations. As people were leaving their hell to come to the US, where Black ppl were living in their hell in the US. All while also fighting in all the Wars necessary to help preserve the freedom we enjoy today.
Black women last I checked, over the past decade or so have accumulated more degrees at all levels than any other group of people in the US.
And again BWS was prosperous due to segregation forcing money to circulate within the community up to 100 times. Due to black people having no choice but to spend on black owned. Black owned businesses post segregation couldn't compete at the time with the competition access to supply and quality. Prime example the Negro Leagues.
RIP mags
