SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Kobblehead]

Krazy, you would pay 6 mill for Omar Asik, why does getting a starter at 15 mean so much to you?

6 is the most i would pay... and 6 mill for what i feel is a good solid starting nba center in this league is a steal compared to what some guys are making right now

Aight, I just did the math real quick. In games where Asik played 20 or more minutes this year (16 games), he averaged 4.6 points, 8.3 rebounds, shooting 45% from the field. The rebounding is there. Albeit 9 of those games were in the midst of 10+ point blowouts. But the offensive incompetence is just too glaring to justify playing him starters minutes. The man is a backup 12 minute per night player for a reason.

[phiphan]

If things go as I think they MIGHT..this is what I envision:

Jefferson deal
Jrue/Watson
Turner/Meeks
Ross/Thad
Humphries/Lavoy
Jefferson/Vucevic

Now you may question Thad as a 3 or Jefferson as a 5 but in the east.....who knows. Doug can mix and match.

Gasol deal......
Jrue/FA
Turner/Meeks
Ross/Thad
Humphries/Lavoy
Gasol/Vucevic

Raptors deal
Jrue/Calderon
Waiters/Meeks
Turner/Thad
Humphries/Davis
Lavoy/Vucevic

I really dont like the Raptor deal as much...Calderon just really isnt a huge need......it depends on how much they love Waiters.

Shoot me

[The Sixer Fixer]

id rather have him than brand.........

valuable cap space is only valuable if you have guys that want to come here unless its a sign and trade or a player for a 2nd rounder type dump i guess.

gotta run.......next few weeks should be fun.

Agree, but no one will want to come here if the best talent we have is "Kris Humphries" types. I'd rather take the risk that we CAN get a big name here in FA/Trade as opposed to having no room and eliminating that possibility all together.

Anyone wonder why an awful team like the Nets don't even want Humphries back? That should be setting off all kinds of alarms. I mean, not even Billy King, the master of overrating mid-level talent wants him back.

[sixerfan1976]

humphries is arbitrary but i know they will talk to him.......

[KrazySixersD]

Krazy, you would pay 6 mill for Omar Asik, why does getting a starter at 15 mean so much to you?

6 is the most i would pay... and 6 mill for what i feel is a good solid starting nba center in this league is a steal compared to what some guys are making right now

Aight, I just did the math real quick. In games where Asik played 20 or more minutes this year (16 games), he averaged 4.6 points, 8.3 rebounds, shooting 45% from the field. The rebounding is there. Albeit 9 of those games were in the midst of 10+ point blowouts. But the offensive incompetence is just too glaring to justify playing him starters minutes. The man is a backup 12 minute per night player for a reason.

i admit his offense is non existant... but if he starts and plays 28 to 30 minutes... can we agree he probably averages about 7 ppg? can we really not find a way to replace the difference between hawe's 12 to 13 ppg and his 7? considering hes going to bring a TON better defense to this team? i look at what asik did in the playoffs vs us as a good indicator... and not everything showed up in the box score...

they played better D with asik than i think they did with noah

btw... what is starters pay at center... cuz it sure aint 6 mill..... 6 mill is nothing to pay a starting center today

[KrazySixersD]

If things go as I think they MIGHT..this is what I envision:

Jefferson deal
Jrue/Watson
Turner/Meeks
Ross/Thad
Humphries/Lavoy
Jefferson/Vucevic

Now you may question Thad as a 3 or Jefferson as a 5 but in the east.....who knows. Doug can mix and match.

Gasol deal......
Jrue/FA
Turner/Meeks
Ross/Thad
Humphries/Lavoy
Gasol/Vucevic

Raptors deal
Jrue/Calderon
Waiters/Meeks
Turner/Thad
Humphries/Davis
Lavoy/Vucevic

I really dont like the Raptor deal as much...Calderon just really isnt a huge need......it depends on how much they love Waiters.

if its option 3... id rather have lamb...

i think humphries is a good signing personally... humprhies/jefferson front line is really solid to me ... especially in the east where the only dominant center is howard... and even he has his limitations

[The Sixer Fixer]

i think humphries is a good signing personally... humprhies/jefferson front line is really solid to me ... especially in the east where the only dominant center is howard... and even he has his limitations

So you like that pairing? Two guys who are bad on defense and unathletic. So that's basically the opposite of what management said they need to do this off-season. It's even worse when you consider you traded your best perimeter defender and now you are going to have guys driving the lane a lot more.

If All Jefferson is the C, your PF has to be a guy who's extremely mobile and a good defender/shot-blocker. Jefferson is an awful help defender and Humphries isn't much better.

[sixerfan1976]

Is Gasol/humphries a better pairing? just asking.

[Kobblehead]

i admit his offense is non existant... but if he starts and plays 28 to 30 minutes... can we agree he probably averages about 7 ppg? can we really not find a way to replace the difference between hawe's 12 to 13 ppg and his 7? considering hes going to bring a TON better defense to this team? i look at what asik did in the playoffs vs us as a good indicator... and not everything showed up in the box score...

they played better D with asik than i think they did with noah

btw... what is starters pay at center... cuz it sure aint 6 mill..... 6 mill is nothing to pay a starting center today

Why would we agree that he can give us 7 ppg? I just ran the numbers of him playing starters minutes and he barely eeked out 4 points a game on a pitiful percentage. It's just too strenuous to ask the other guys on the court with him to go 4 on 5 every possession.

Asik can transition into the defensive system and be a solid rebounder, but it's not worth it giving him starters minutes. He's too much of a liability offensively. Guys like Ben Wallace make it easier to justify because of their dominance in certain areas. Asik is not a dominant shotblocker or a dominant rebounder. He's just solid.

Starting centers of guys that aren't on their rookie deals can go anywhere from 8-12 million.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Is Gasol/humphries a better pairing? just asking.

Yes, but not by a ton on D. I do think it's a better duo offensively though (contrast in styles).

I think Gasol's length on D will give people more problems than Jefferson. I think Jefferson is a better overall fit for this team though (age/contract/strengths)

[sixerfan1976]

Mitchell(guy that replaced Fagan) is actually right on something he said. Carl Landry is a guy they will talk to as well...presumably as a backup plan to Humphries

[mybestfiend]

I don't mind Humphries but not for what he's likely gonna command.

[The Sixer Fixer]

i admit his offense is non existant... but if he starts and plays 28 to 30 minutes... can we agree he probably averages about 7 ppg? can we really not find a way to replace the difference between hawe's 12 to 13 ppg and his 7? considering hes going to bring a TON better defense to this team? i look at what asik did in the playoffs vs us as a good indicator... and not everything showed up in the box score...

they played better D with asik than i think they did with noah

btw... what is starters pay at center... cuz it sure aint 6 mill..... 6 mill is nothing to pay a starting center today

Why would we agree that he can give us 7 ppg? I just ran the numbers of him playing starters minutes and he barely eeked out 4 points a game on a pitiful percentage. It's just too strenuous to ask the other guys on the court with him to go 4 on 5 every possession.

Asik can transition into the defensive system and be a solid rebounder, but it's not worth it giving him starters minutes. He's too much of a liability offensively. Guys like Ben Wallace make it easier to justify because of their dominance in certain areas. Asik is not a dominant shotblocker or a dominant rebounder. He's just solid.

Starting centers of guys that aren't on their rookie deals can go anywhere from 8-12 million.

Asik is no worse offensively than the starting C on both the teams in the NBA finals. Then again, we don't have LeBron, Wade, Durant, Westbrook and Harden on the Sixers

[KrazySixersD]

the reason i like it is for one... humphries is a great rebounder and is physical and tough... he will get rebounds and he will bang and he will get points without having to give him the ball...

jefferson either works out great or he doesnt... if he doesnt, guess what, hes a FA and we have a ton of room again... a team can always use a guy like humprhies on their team even if we lose jefferson the next year

[Bring Back 1983]

SF1976,

Under both the Jefferson and Gasol scenarios, wouldn't the Sixers have had to play their hands before free agency and then it would be impossible to go after Deron and D-Ho? I mean the only way you even offer that D-Ho dream connection to Deron is if you keep Iggy or trade Iggy as part of the package that brings D-Ho to the Sixers. I can't imagine they would acquire Jefferson or Gasol first then go all out for the Deron/D-Ho package, which would gut the remainder of the roster because of the trade assets needed to acquire D-Ho.

In other words, if they go all in for Deron aren't they forced NOT to trade Iggy? I guess I'm looking at it as though an Iggy trade is a concession we have given up on Deron.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Mitchell(guy that replaced Fagan) is actually right on something he said. Carl Landry is a guy they will talk to as well.

I'm really getting scared. Landry is an OK offensive player (not really a true PF though)....and he's an awful rebounder and defender. Again, doesn't fit the profile of what they need (athletic bigs who can defend and run the floor).

If the options are to sign one of Humphries/Landry/Bass/etc., then just keep Brand and let him expire. Heck, I'd prefer they go after Jamison over any of those guys. He's old, but at least he's way more talented than any of them and he won't be looking for a long term contract (probably 2-3 years). Not saying I want him, just using him to illustrate how little I want those other guys.

[Kobblehead]

Carl Landry can fill it up and he attacks the rim and gets to the line. And he hits them when he gets there. He's a solid piece to add.

[The Sixer Fixer]

the reason i like it is for one... humphries is a great rebounder and is physical and tough... he will get rebounds and he will bang and he will get points without having to give him the ball...

jefferson either works out great or he doesnt... if he doesnt, guess what, hes a FA and we have a ton of room again... a team can always use a guy like humprhies on their team even if we lose jefferson the next year

Well, as for Jefferson, that idea that he can be a FA after next year is the main reason I'm hesitant to trade Andre for him. Don't want us to lose our best trade asset for a 1 year rental and cap room. As for Humphries, I do like some of what he offers...my problem is the price and whatever you give him takes away from the ability to sign/pay better players. I just don't think he's the type of guy who makes teams much better.

[KrazySixersD]

i admit his offense is non existant... but if he starts and plays 28 to 30 minutes... can we agree he probably averages about 7 ppg? can we really not find a way to replace the difference between hawe's 12 to 13 ppg and his 7? considering hes going to bring a TON better defense to this team? i look at what asik did in the playoffs vs us as a good indicator... and not everything showed up in the box score...

they played better D with asik than i think they did with noah

btw... what is starters pay at center... cuz it sure aint 6 mill..... 6 mill is nothing to pay a starting center today

Why would we agree that he can give us 7 ppg? I just ran the numbers of him playing starters minutes and he barely eeked out 4 points a game on a pitiful percentage. It's just too strenuous to ask the other guys on the court with him to go 4 on 5 every possession.

Asik can transition into the defensive system and be a solid rebounder, but it's not worth it giving him starters minutes. He's too much of a liability offensively. Guys like Ben Wallace make it easier to justify because of their dominance in certain areas. Asik is not a dominant shotblocker or a dominant rebounder. He's just solid.

Starting centers of guys that aren't on their rookie deals can go anywhere from 8-12 million.

because i thought you ran games where he played about 20 minutes.... im talking if he plays 28 to 30

[sixerfan1976]

SF1976,

Under both the Jefferson and Gasol scenarios, wouldn't the Sixers have had to play their hands before free agency and then it would be impossible to go after Deron and D-Ho? I mean the only way you even offer that D-Ho dream connection to Deron is if you keep Iggy or trade Iggy as part of the package that brings D-Ho to the Sixers. I can't imagine they would acquire Jefferson or Gasol first then go all out for the Deron/D-Ho package, which would gut the remainder of the roster because of the trade assets needed to acquire D-Ho.

In other words, if they go all in for Deron aren't they forced NOT to trade Iggy? I guess I'm looking at it as though an Iggy trade is a concession we have given up on Deron.

good question..i dont think they are realistically thinking they cant get Deron. Its not a lock that any potential Andre trade happens before or during draft.....no penalty for it happening post July 1. They just cant put all their cards in one basket.