The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Shem · Post #881 » by **Shem** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 7:35 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ1P5qXLI4U[/youtube]

Uncle Jeff · Post #882 » by **Uncle Jeff** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 7:36 pm

Updated Rookie Ladder

1. Lillard
2. Davis
3. Shved
4. Drummond
5. Beal
6. MKG
7. Ross
8. Waiters
9. Zeller
10. Copeland

DusterBuster · Post #883 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 7:54 pm

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/01/0 ... f:nbahpt6e

Damian Lillard is the real deal, but he isn’t the best offensive player in the league. Still, the offensive drop-off that the Portland Trail Blazers have suffered when Lillard has stepped off the floor has been greater than the drop-off that any other team has suffered when a specific player goes to the bench.

Measuring the difference in a team’s offensive efficiency (points scored per 100 possessions) when a player is on the floor vs. when he’s off the floor, here are the league’s five biggest difference makers, as well as one at the bottom of the list.

For all of them, the discrepancy between their team’s offensive numbers with them on and off the floor is as much about the guys replacing them as it is about what they’re doing themselves.

1. Damian Lillard, POR
On/off floor MIN OffRtg
On floor 1,175 104.9
Off floor 338 91.6
Diff. +13.3

ComboGuardCity · Post #884 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 8:27 pm

Uncle Jeff wrote:Updated Rookie Ladder

1. Lillard
2. Davis
3. Shved
4. Drummond
5. Beal
6. MKG
7. Ross
8. Waiters
9. Zeller
10. Copeland

Still don't understand why Beal is at 5

Shem · Post #885 » by **Shem** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 10:36 pm

DusterBuster wrote:http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/01/03/lillard-tops-list-of-biggest-offensive-difference-makers/?ls=iref:nbahpt6e

Damian Lillard is the real deal, but he isn’t the best offensive player in the league. Still, the offensive drop-off that the Portland Trail Blazers have suffered when Lillard has stepped off the floor has been greater than the drop-off that any other team has suffered when a specific player goes to the bench.

Measuring the difference in a team’s offensive efficiency (points scored per 100 possessions) when a player is on the floor vs. when he’s off the floor, here are the league’s five biggest difference makers, as well as one at the bottom of the list.

For all of them, the discrepancy between their team’s offensive numbers with them on and off the floor is as much about the guys replacing them as it is about what they’re doing themselves.

1. Damian Lillard, POR
On/off floor MIN OffRtg
On floor 1,175 104.9
Off floor 338 91.6
Diff. +13.3

I was just about to post that here! :lol:

fishnc · Post #886 » by **fishnc** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 10:58 pm

I love Beal's form on his jumpers. Super smooth.

JWiLL02 · Post #887 » by **JWiLL02** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 2:33 am

fishnc wrote:I love Beal's form on his jumpers. Super smooth.

Agreed. Maybe one day, with enough practice, he'll be as smooth as Terrence Ross. :wink:

theycallmeZZ · Post #888 » by **theycallmeZZ** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 2:52 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6__vyku3oYk[/youtube]

RoyalWun · Post #889 » by **RoyalWun** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 4:03 am

I think Ross will be better than Waiters overall.

ComboGuardCity · Post #890 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 4:44 am

Updated ESPN Rookie rankings.

1. Lillard
2. Drummond
3. Davis
4. MKG
5. Nicholson
6. Roberts
7. Shved
8. Sullinger
9. Prigioni
10. Zeller

I never understood Thorpe's rankings. Where are Barnes, Ross, and even Beal.

Left Side Drive · Post #891 » by **Left Side Drive** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 4:51 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:Updated ESPN Rookie rankings.

1. Lillard
2. Drummond
3. Davis
4. MKG
5. Nicholson
6. Roberts
7. Shved
8. Sullinger
9. Prigioni
10. Zeller

I never understood Thorpe's rankings. Where are Barnes, Ross, and even Beal.

What a strange strange list.

Post #892 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 5:06 am

Left Side Drive wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:Updated ESPN Rookie rankings.

1. Lillard
2. Drummond
3. Davis
4. MKG
5. Nicholson
6. Roberts
7. Shved
8. Sullinger
9. Prigioni
10. Zeller

I never understood Thorpe's rankings. Where are Barnes, Ross, and even Beal.

What a strange strange list.

And Brian Roberts is #6? What? Are these rankings for sale?

EvanZ · Post #893 » by **EvanZ** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 5:42 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:Updated ESPN Rookie rankings.

1. Lillard
2. Drummond
3. Davis
4. MKG
5. Nicholson
6. Roberts
7. Shved
8. Sullinger
9. Prigioni
10. Zeller

I never understood Thorpe's rankings. Where are Barnes, Ross, and even Beal.

The only really surprising one to me is Zeller who is shockingly bad according to box score and advanced stats.

Shem · Post #894 » by **Shem** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 7:08 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:Updated ESPN Rookie rankings.

1. Lillard
2. Drummond
3. Davis
4. MKG
5. Nicholson
6. Roberts
7. Shved
8. Sullinger
9. Prigioni
10. Zeller

I never understood Thorpe's rankings. Where are Barnes, Ross, and even Beal.

Here is the Rookie Ladder ratings at NBA.com as of January 3rd:

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

1. Damian Lillard
2. Anthony Davis
3. Alexey Shved
4. Andre Drummond
5. Bradley Beal
6. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
7. Terrence Ross
8. Dion Waiters
9. Tyler Zeller
10. Chris Copeland

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #895 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 8:23 am

Too much Beal bashing in here from people that never seen him play. The kid plays solid defense, led all East rookies in points and assists last month, and rebounds well. All of that with no main option to take the pressure off him. And he's only 19 years old.

Hero · Post #896 » by **Hero** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 8:45 am

I saw a poll on the main site...

Which shooting guard do you expect to be considered the best of the 2012 NBA Draft?
Beal

25.3%
Waiters

21.8%
Ross

40.5%
Rivers

4.6%
Lamb

7.9%

Total votes: 3276

I agree with top 3 but we have not seen much of Lamb at all..

Kabookalu · Post #897 » by **Kabookalu** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 9:43 am

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:Too much Beal bashing in here from people that never seen him play.

People are "bashing" him because he won an award he never should have.

branny · Post #898 » by **branny** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 1:31 pm

Hero wrote:I saw a poll on the main site...

Which shooting guard do you expect to be considered the best of the 2012 NBA Draft?
Beal

25.3%
Waiters

21.8%
Ross

40.5%
Rivers

4.6%
Lamb

7.9%

Total votes: 3276

I agree with top 3 but we have not seen much of Lamb at all..

Oh man I thought the 40% was for Rivers for a moment :lol:

King d · Post #899 » by **King d** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 2:29 pm

Hero wrote:I saw a poll on the main site...

Which shooting guard do you expect to be considered the best of the 2012 NBA Draft?
Beal

25.3%
Waiters

21.8%
Ross

40.5%
Rivers

4.6%
Lamb

7.9%

Total votes: 3276

I agree with top 3 but we have not seen much of Lamb at all..

Lamb was clearly overrated by some of posters

21shumpshumpst · Post #900 » by **21shumpshumpst** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 2:56 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:Updated ESPN Rookie rankings.

1. Lillard
2. Drummond
3. Davis
4. MKG
5. Nicholson
6. Roberts
7. Shved
8. Sullinger
9. Prigioni
10. Zeller

I never understood Thorpe's rankings. Where are Barnes, Ross, and even Beal.

Why is Sullinger in that list? He straight up sucks. The only reason his no hoops self is getting any burn is because the Cs have an awful frontcourt.

Prigs? I love him cuz he is a Knick but come one. Barnes, Ross, and Beal are all better than him. BSPN strikes again.