2017 Golden State Warriors Thread

[GSP]

Honestly they dont even need Kd till the Wcf

[RSCD3_]

Honestly they dont even need Kd till the Wcf

If Gobert was healthy they might have needed him in the semi's.

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[RSCD3_]

Curry has been getting off to real poor starts

And he's blown a lot of easy layups so far it seems

It just seems his rhythm is off and he cant punish people as much with the ball

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[GSP]

Curry has been getting off to real poor starts

And he's blown a lot of easy layups so far it seems

It just seems his rhythm is off and he cant punish people as much with the ball

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I think its due to the increased defensive usage he has to have against a backcourt like Dame/Cj. Cant really hide Steph in the defensive schemes against this offense or have him roaming heavy either

[MisterHibachi]

When is KD expected to be back?

[RSCD3_]

When is KD expected to be back?

They'll probably sit him game four just to be safe much like a player taking a 4th pitch with a 3-0 count


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[The-Power]

Curry has been getting off to real poor starts

And he's blown a lot of easy layups so far it seems

It just seems his rhythm is off and he cant punish people as much with the ball

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I think its due to the increased defensive usage he has to have against a backcourt like Dame/Cj. Cant really hide Steph in the defensive schemes against this offense or have him roaming heavy either

I doubt that. Curry's defensive usage isn't much different from what it has been in the Regular Season. The Blazers don't single him out and he's still playing a lot in the passing lanes. Also, his shot is off from the beginning so it's hard to argue with fatigue.

I'm not sure what it is or if there is an issue at all. I think we can all agree that there are some defensive schemes that Curry struggles against individually and the Warriors - and Curry as the ignition of course - must exploit the disadvantages of those defensive strategies. So I'm not saying Curry is immune to opponent's defensive game plans and someone like LeBron has more resilient individual offense. That said, the Blazers don't play that way and Curry gets good looks. Not as many as in the RS but still plenty.

We have seen Curry having "slumps" of different length and magnitude throughout his career. Single games, a couple days, weeks or even a month or two. Maybe his shot is off like it has been for parts of December and for many games in February and March? I don't think any other explanation really holds water at this point in the playoffs. The blown layups are bad but he's always had those. He makes a lot of tough layups but blows some inexplicable ones - especially in transition. Perhaps he's more concerned about not getting blindsided, blocked or pushed, already prepares to fall or move aside, and that causes the poor execution.

[GSP]

12-0 run in first 2 minutes of the game

[GSP]

With how utterly garbage the Cavs look without Lebron theres a chance these guys go 16-0 TBH

[GSP]

WTFFFFFFF

[freypies]

Steph is amazing....

[The-Power]

There goes that slump.

[crazy_me_87]

With how utterly garbage the Cavs look without Lebron theres a chance these guys go 16-0 TBH

Whats your point when Lebron will play 45 Minutes against GSW anyway and the Cavs have two more Series to get better while GSW might lose its Head Coach, has still no idea when and if KD will be really ready and when they get Livingston and Barnes back?

To be honest right now i think GSW has more question marks than CLE..

The Cavs defense gotten better every Game against the Pacers and if not for an fluke off night on offense would have won Game four 120 - 102 not 106 -102 .. Their defense in Game 4 had a rating of 100.5 wich is pretty good.
The Cavs are healthy and if they can keep improving on defense they will look extremly scary soon..

GSW on the other hand could get into a real dogfight next round with Utah.. Can Mike Brown keep Draymond from totally snapping and getting suspended for the rest of the Playoffs? I dont know what he will do if Utah really pushes GSW around..
Can KD be KD again this Playoffs at all? Will Brown keep playing Zaza way too much instead of Javale?
When does Livingston retourn? They dont have any other real backup Point Guard..

I read in an article today "GSW will be fine without Kerr in the early rounds propably but as the playoffs go on this will become a real Problem.. Kerr most of all has a calming presense but also can light a fire under them.. They can beat Utah,Lac as they are now but against SA,HOU or CLE this will matter alot"

I agree. This is not the sudden end of GSWs Title hopes but people are getting fooled by them still blowing out Portland.. This will become a big factor as the Playoffs roll on. They might overcome it but you cant just dismiss it..

[RSCD3_]

Since I did something like this last year, expected numbers based on RS

Explanation:

Spoiler:

There are two teams, the league Average is 106/106, Team A has splits of 112.0/105.0 and team B has splits of 110/108, the actual results of the playoffs between them are a 117/112 victory for team A

My method would say that Team A has an average rating of 112 against all defenses it faces and since the SOS isnt that great lower than 2 pts both directions I essentially set it to zero, and used what the other team did as a reference to the championship selected, therefore since team A is against team B it is facing a +2 defense and I'm expecting the defense to be easier by the same value , to be added to team A's offense thus in this case Team A has an expected offense of 114, team A's defense is facing a 110 offense which is +4, so i add that to team A's defense and get 109

So expected splits of 114/109 and the difference is 5 which is the same as getting 7-2=5 which im going by the suggestion that if team A beats an average or 0.0 team by 7 than the difference in what they would do to more or less challenging team also are linear

Now the ESV or Expected Score Value went from 114/109 to 117/112 (+3/+3) or 0, as there offense was better by 3 points but their defense was worse so their overall net RTG was the same as expected.

LA: 108.8 ORTG/DRTG

17 Warriors 115.6 ORTG 104.0 DRTG (+6.8/-4.8)
17 Blazers 110.3 ORTG 110.8 DRTG (+1.5/+2.0)

Warriors Expected Results 117.6 ORTG 105.5 DRTG
Warriors Actual Results 117.1 ORTG 99.5 DRTG

Expected Score Value: +5.5 (-0.5/-6.0)

Looks like they really put the clamps up on defense after game 1


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[Soca]

With how utterly garbage the Cavs look without Lebron theres a chance these guys go 16-0 TBH

Whats your point when Lebron will play 45 Minutes against GSW anyway and the Cavs have two more Series to get better while GSW might lose its Head Coach, has still no idea when and if KD will be really ready and when they get Livingston and Barnes back?

To be honest right now i think GSW has more question marks than CLE..

The Cavs defense gotten better every Game against the Pacers and if not for an fluke off night on offense would have won Game four 120 - 102 not 106 -102 .. Their defense in Game 4 had a rating of 100.5 wich is pretty good.
The Cavs are healthy and if they can keep improving on defense they will look extremly scary soon..

GSW on the other hand could get into a real dogfight next round with Utah.. Can Mike Brown keep Draymond from totally snapping and getting suspended for the rest of the Playoffs? I dont know what he will do if Utah really pushes GSW around..
Can KD be KD again this Playoffs at all? Will Brown keep playing Zaza way too much instead of Javale?
When does Livingston retourn? They dont have any other real backup Point Guard..

I read in an article today "GSW will be fine without Kerr in the early rounds propably but as the playoffs go on this will become a real Problem.. Kerr most of all has a calming presense but also can light a fire under them.. They can beat Utah,Lac as they are now but against SA,HOU or CLE this will matter alot"

I agree. This is not the sudden end of GSWs Title hopes but people are getting fooled by them still blowing out Portland.. This will become a big factor as the Playoffs roll on. They might overcome it but you cant just dismiss it..

That's a joke and you know it. The Cavs issues on the defensive end far outweigh any problems the Warriors have right now.

[WestGOAT]

With how utterly garbage the Cavs look without Lebron theres a chance these guys go 16-0 TBH

Whats your point when Lebron will play 45 Minutes against GSW anyway and the Cavs have two more Series to get better while GSW might lose its Head Coach, has still no idea when and if KD will be really ready and when they get Livingston and Barnes back?

To be honest right now i think GSW has more question marks than CLE..

The Cavs defense gotten better every Game against the Pacers and if not for an fluke off night on offense would have won Game four 120 - 102 not 106 -102 .. Their defense in Game 4 had a rating of 100.5 wich is pretty good.
The Cavs are healthy and if they can keep improving on defense they will look extremly scary soon..

GSW on the other hand could get into a real dogfight next round with Utah.. Can Mike Brown keep Draymond from totally snapping and getting suspended for the rest of the Playoffs? I dont know what he will do if Utah really pushes GSW around..
Can KD be KD again this Playoffs at all? Will Brown keep playing Zaza way too much instead of Javale?
When does Livingston retourn? They dont have any other real backup Point Guard..

I read in an article today "GSW will be fine without Kerr in the early rounds propably but as the playoffs go on this will become a real Problem.. Kerr most of all has a calming presense but also can light a fire under them.. They can beat Utah,Lac as they are now but against SA,HOU or CLE this will matter alot"

I agree. This is not the sudden end of GSWs Title hopes but people are getting fooled by them still blowing out Portland.. This will become a big factor as the Playoffs roll on. They might overcome it but you cant just dismiss it..

Bizarro logic. Cleveland underperforming all year, and yet it's GSW, who has been in cruise control all season while still winning 65+ games, who have more question marks

[crazy_me_87]

You guys just ignore that the Cavs are clearly improving on defense and once they play at their best are propably the deepest Team in the NBA. Oh and they have Lebron..
The Regular Season is over and meaningless and as of right now the Cavs are healthy and about to show everbody why it was a horrible idea to ever doubt them. If they make it to the Finals healthy i wont bet against Lebron + Kyrie + Love + Deepest Supporting Cast..

Meanwhile GSW might lose their headcoach who is propably the only thing that kept Draymond from totally snaping every Game... who talked Curry through a slump and who did light a fire under their asses when needed.
And reintegrating KD on the fly without your Head Coach will be no easy task.. and who know how many consecutive games KD can play..
If Brown keeps playing Zaza this much they will get trashed inside by basically any Team they will face..
Them missing another defensive Wing and their only backup PG is also a concern.

If you understand my view that i fully expect the Cavs to play much better each round and be even better than last year by June and are healthy... yeah from my perspective the Warriors have more question marks.

[clyde21]

Curry: 30/5.5/6.5/2.3 on 62.5 TS%. Also leading the POs in steals I believe.

#PlayoffCurry

[Soca]

You guys just ignore that the Cavs are clearly improving on defense and once they play at their best are propably the deepest Team in the NBA. Oh and they have Lebron..
The Regular Season is over and meaningless and as of right now the Cavs are healthy and about to show everbody why it was a horrible idea to ever doubt them. If they make it to the Finals healthy i wont bet against Lebron + Kyrie + Love + Deepest Supporting Cast..

Meanwhile GSW might lose their headcoach who is propably the only thing that kept Draymond from totally snaping every Game... who talked Curry through a slump and who did light a fire under their asses when needed.
And reintegrating KD on the fly without your Head Coach will be no easy task.. and who know how many consecutive games KD can play..
If Brown keeps playing Zaza this much they will get trashed inside by basically any Team they will face..
Them missing another defensive Wing and their only backup PG is also a concern.

If you understand my view that i fully expect the Cavs to play much better each round and be even better than last year by June and are healthy... yeah from my perspective the Warriors have more question marks.

That's because they haven't improved on defense. Cavs have had a problem all season sustaining leads including the Pacers series because of their defense. Lebron having to play 40+ plus minutes in every game against the Pacers is also not a good look. That's way too many minutes Lebron is playing against an average at best Pacers team in the first round.

[crazy_me_87]

That's because they haven't improved on defense. Cavs have had a problem all season sustaining leads including the Pacers series because of their defense. Lebron having to play 40+ plus minutes in every game against the Pacers is also not a good look. That's way too many minutes Lebron is playing against an average at best Pacers team in the first round.

Have you watched the second half of Game 3 and Game 4? The Cavs have switched the defensive flip on and had a pretty elite Defense since Game 3 halftime.
Sure dismiss it because its such a small sample size but its just not true they did not improve. They did massivly improve the last 2 games.

But go on put huge stock in the Regular Season... Everybody crowned GSW last year long before the Finals.. i was laughed at because i warned people "wait till the actual games are played..alot can and will happen we cant predict" .. remember how that turned out?