Knicks sign Hardaway

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #881 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:36 am

DaGawd wrote:Hardaway Jr is gonna serve a lot of crow on this board...and GB

Yes I'm sure he will meet and exceed the $20 mm value that his contract is worth +trade kicker.

Sprewell_8 · Post #882 » by **Sprewell_8** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:37 am

Do we really want the Hawks to match it tho? Do we really wanna know what these clowns might have in store as plan b/c/d?

**** is scary

Fat · Post #883 » by **Fat** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:37 am

ny-n-md wrote:What the heck is going on? This dude may not even be better than Dotson!?!?!?!?!

yeah

baker
frank
dotson
kp
willy

also helps our tank and doesnt come with a ridiculous price

SelbyCobra · Post #884 » by **SelbyCobra** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:37 am

mpharris36 wrote:im going to bed, sleeping on it, and I better wake up with some kind of clue why this offer was made...

I'm telling you - they're believing his second half breakout is legit:

SelbyCobra wrote:I don't necessarily agree with it, but the Knicks are banking on his post ASG breakout as being real (and you can go back to almost the halfway point of the season to his being good actually starting).

Hardaway, Jr., Post-ASG:
32.0 MPG, 17.5 PPG, 3.5 REB, 2.6 ASST, .471 FG%, .593 TS%

By contrast, here are Klay Thompson's full-season numbers in the same categories:
34.0 MPG, 22.5 PPG, 3.7 REB, 2.1 ASST, .468 FG%, .592 TS%

Obviously Klay is a waaaaaay better defender, but I think the Knicks are buying THjr's second half last year as a jumping off point for the rest of his career. If it is, they actually win this contract in a BIG way - that's a valuable offensive player, playing efficiently, in an offensive-leaning league.

If not, then, well, yeah...it everything we fear and more.

poeman · Post #885 » by **poeman** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:37 am

Ok after calming down...Some serious thoughts.

Hardaway Jr has really improved with Atlanta and he can be a solid scoring option. Dude literally is a player that can shoot it well, I think Dotson and him will thrive with Frank.

But the money is def $50 million overspent.

This leads me to believe, Knicks are going to trade Melo and Courtney Lee who is a GREAT trade asset. We need space and I think with Melo going out Lee will get us picks within a Melo trade

NYKnicksTAPE · Post #886 » by **NYKnicksTAPE** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:37 am

Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:Idk why you guys are mad.

This only helps the tank!!!!

http://www.tankathon.com/

17 mil starting salary to help the tank...that's dumb logic

Bklyn&company · Post #887 » by **Bklyn&company** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:37 am

So if we sign THJr... is that our off season? Seems like Mills was serious about no DRose... good. Is Melo still getting traded? Is Lee going or stay? Can we get Noah out of here?

reub · Post #888 » by **reub** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

KnicksGod wrote:I don't like the move but I wish I could put my foot up the ass of every bandwagon Knick hating tweeter who says things like 'the latest act of Knickery' because they think it's the in thing to say.

None of these bozos know the game. They just want cheap attention and so they follow the flock of sheep.

I doubt you but I Am rooting for you Timmy, and it didn't surprise me that much after Phil was booted.

The team has been steadily improving it's talent base since we drafted Porzingis. People can't see it. We've gotten so much better and younger. KP, Willy, Frank, Baker, Dotson, now THJ. He's only 25 and made a big leap last season. All our picks going forward. We're on the right track so just breathe!

Yankeeknickfan · Post #889 » by **Yankeeknickfan** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

This is terrible. Why is there no middle ground? Phil sucks, Dolan sucks

Mecca · Post #890 » by **Mecca** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

DaGawd wrote:Hardaway Jr is gonna serve a lot of crow on this board...and GB

Dudes have not watched him hoop since he was a Knick. His improvement this year was spectacular. Dude can very well become a core piece.

Greenie · Post #891 » by **Greenie** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

DaGawd wrote:Hardaway Jr is gonna serve a lot of crow on this board...and GB

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #892 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

SelbyCobra wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:im going to bed, sleeping on it, and I better wake up with some kind of clue why this offer was made...

I'm telling you - they're believing his second half breakout is legit:

SelbyCobra wrote:I don't necessarily agree with it, but the Knicks are banking on his post ASG breakout as being real (and you can go back to almost the halfway point of the season to his being good actually starting).

Hardaway, Jr., Post-ASG:
32.0 MPG, 17.5 PPG, 3.5 REB, 2.6 ASST, .471 FG%, .593 TS%

By contrast, here are Klay Thompson's full-season numbers in the same categories:
34.0 MPG, 22.5 PPG, 3.7 REB, 2.1 ASST, .468 FG%, .592 TS%

Obviously Klay is a waaaaaay better defender, but I think the Knicks are buying THjr's second half last year as a jumping off point for the rest of his career. If it is, they actually win this contract in a BIG way - that's a valuable offensive player, playing efficiently, in an offensive-leaning league.

If not, then, well, yeah...it everything we fear and more.

How did that second half breakout look against the Wizards in the playoffs?

Jay10 · Post #893 » by **Jay10** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

NYKnicksFTW wrote:
Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:Idk why you guys are mad.

This only helps the tank!!!!

http://www.tankathon.com/

How does it help the tank? By tying up money for the next 4 years? Sorry, if we're going to tank, I'd rather tank AND have cap flexibility.

Is it really tying up money if Lee, O'Quinn, and Carmelo might not be on the roster on opening night?

3eePointGoal · Post #894 » by **3eePointGoal** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

This has got to be a move to an upcoming move. I mean 71 mill for 4 . Just when I thought Steve the skeeve was righting the ship. Boy oh boy..... Momma said never trust a guy with a mustache like that.

NYKnicksFTW · Post #895 » by **NYKnicksFTW** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

I don't think it's any stretch of the imagination to say that we're the worse and most laughable franchise in all of professional sports given everything this organization has been through. We've out-clowned the Cleveland Browns.

Post #896 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

nykgeneralmanager wrote:
koogiking wrote:JJ Reddick just got 23 million a year (for one year)

Tim Hardaway is JJ Reddick but younger, with more athleticism and potential. This is not that bad of a deal

Man, if I see one more person try to justify this by comparing it to other contacts.

All that matters is THIS contract for THIS team in it's CURRENT state. And it absolutely sucks and wipes out any flexibility we could have had over the next few years.

Especially in that very special year when our books would have been relatively clean and we need to re-up Porzingis and Willy.

reub · Post #897 » by **reub** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

Can we go over the cap to re-sign DRose?

3toheadmelo · Post #898 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

this is really risky but hes young so i guess ill live with it...

its better than joakim noah's at least

ctorres · Post #899 » by **ctorres** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:38 am

Knicks probably see a lot of Allan Houston- like qualities in THjr. He will be a 25, 26, 27, and 28 years of age during the next 4 seasons. This is the right time to invest in his future.

He will be a potential trade asset too if his stats are where I project them to be.

shtolky · Post #900 » by **shtolky** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:39 am

People saying Holiday isn't much worse than THJ and how we are screwing over our 23 year old second round pick who hasn't played a second of NBA ball...jeez.