The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[Fresh_Prince12]

Dude we know you love Jabari and you would have the Bucks risk the teams future on the hope Jabari doesn't become Michael Redd. The way this guy runs and lands on foot foot when he jumps isn't going to change. We all had kids in high school who ran funny. Well Jabari is one of the guys. Jabari was big and strong and was able to excel athletically but all the time he was wearing down his lower extremities. You can't rewire your brain and lean how to run normal after 20 years of doing it the way he does. I guarantee within the next 24 months Jabari will be under the knife and we will be screwed.

Logical Bucks fans say move on get the best asset Jabari can bring back and move forwards in having success in the playoffs. Dreaming for a miracle outcome is what is,a fantasy.

The logical thing to do is to make a determination after his return.

No it is not. Jabari might seem fine for a few months but know one can predict when it happens again. It would be illogical to gamble by waiting. We could add a player now who helps increase our playoff standings and help us win in the playoffs. We also avoid the drama of negotiating with his communist agent who most certainly try to hold the Bucks hostage. Moving Jabari is the only logical choice. What you propose didn't work out so well in the past. Think of white kind of player we could have obtained before his second surgery. Now you suggest we go that route again? That is not logical at all.

So trade him when his value is at an all time low. That’s the most logical move right?

[LogitechBucks]

The logical thing to do is to make a determination after his return.

No it is not. Jabari might seem fine for a few months but know one can predict when it happens again. It would be illogical to gamble by waiting. We could add a player now who helps increase our playoff standings and help us win in the playoffs. We also avoid the drama of negotiating with his communist agent who most certainly try to hold the Bucks hostage. Moving Jabari is the only logical choice. What you propose didn't work out so well in the past. Think of white kind of player we could have obtained before his second surgery. Now you suggest we go that route again? That is not logical at all.

So trade him when his value is at an all time low. That’s the most logical move right?

I don't believe his value is at an all time low. He is now basically healed from from what was termed as successful surgery and rehab stint. He looks good from the videos that were posted. I would argue that people can still see him playing as well as he did offensively before his second knee problem.However if he comes and at cannot play at that level and he has knee soreness and swelling which makes him periodically miss games he will have virtually little to no value left. Add in the contract fiasco which you cannot discount and yes the most logical move is to move him asap.

[MickeyDavis]

Let's face it, none of us have any idea what his trade value is. Certainly two major injuries and his impending contract situation factor in immensely. If he signs a big/max deal and blows out a knee for a third time then getting a low second rounder now would be a great deal. We just don't know.

[M-C-G]

No it is not. Jabari might seem fine for a few months but know one can predict when it happens again. It would be illogical to gamble by waiting. We could add a player now who helps increase our playoff standings and help us win in the playoffs. We also avoid the drama of negotiating with his communist agent who most certainly try to hold the Bucks hostage. Moving Jabari is the only logical choice. What you propose didn't work out so well in the past. Think of white kind of player we could have obtained before his second surgery. Now you suggest we go that route again? That is not logical at all.

So trade him when his value is at an all time low. That’s the most logical move right?

I don't believe his value is at an all time low. He is now basically healed from from what was termed as successful surgery and rehab stint. He looks good from the videos that were posted. I would argue that people can still see him playing as well as he did offensively before his second knee problem.However if he comes and at cannot play at that level and he has knee soreness and swelling which makes him periodically miss games he will have virtually little to no value left. Add in the contract fiasco which you cannot discount and yes the most logical move is to move him asap.

You remind me of a former poster, I can't quite place it yet though.

As for Parker, I think the organization has made up their mind and have a dollar amount they are willing to go. I think they are planning on going forward with him as part of the core, but then again, Brandon Knight and MCW were "part of the core" at one point too.

I think Parker ends up with a 3/60-70M or so with hopefully a TO on that last year, or he goes the QO route.

[LogitechBucks]

So trade him when his value is at an all time low. That’s the most logical move right?

I don't believe his value is at an all time low. He is now basically healed from from what was termed as successful surgery and rehab stint. He looks good from the videos that were posted. I would argue that people can still see him playing as well as he did offensively before his second knee problem.However if he comes and at cannot play at that level and he has knee soreness and swelling which makes him periodically miss games he will have virtually little to no value left. Add in the contract fiasco which you cannot discount and yes the most logical move is to move him asap.

You remind me of a former poster, I can't quite place it yet though.

As for Parker, I think the organization has made up their mind and have a dollar amount they are willing to go. I think they are planning on going forward with him as part of the core, but then again, Brandon Knight and MCW were "part of the core" at one point too.

I think Parker ends up with a 3/60-70M or so with hopefully a TO on that last year, or he goes the QO route.

Would you be ok with 20M a season for 3 years with a TO? Keep in mind you will have about a 4 month sampling size to draw from assuming he comes back in February as stated?

[LogitechBucks]

Let's face it, none of us have any idea what his trade value is. Certainly two major injuries and his impending contract situation factor in immensely. If he signs a big/max deal and blows out a knee for a third time then getting a low second rounder now would be a great deal. We just don't know.

You are right it's difficult to say what GM's around the league value Jabari at this point. Some fans around the league still value him quite highly. I proposed a Henson/Jabari for Vucevic/Henjzonga trade on the Orlando board and every poster who replied said they would do the deal in a heartbeat. One guy even offered to come pick up Jabari.
I think Vucevic is a 2 years younger, poor-man's Kevin Love. Vucevic has a great contract at 12.5 per over the next two seasons. I think if we can get that type of value vs the risk we most certainly will have to take we do it.

[Ill-yasova]

You remind me of a former poster, I can't quite place it yet though.

As for Parker, I think the organization has made up their mind and have a dollar amount they are willing to go. I think they are planning on going forward with him as part of the core, but then again, Brandon Knight and MCW were "part of the core" at one point too.

I think Parker ends up with a 3/60-70M or so with hopefully a TO on that last year, or he goes the QO route.

Would you be ok with 20M a season for 3 years with a TO? Keep in mind you will have about a 4 month sampling size to draw from assuming he comes back in February as stated?

I’d be fine with it. It’s short enough that it wouldn’t do any major damage if he gets hurt, and if he plays to his previous level he’s a damn steal. Especially if they’ve dropped that stupid defensive scheme and he doesn’t have to think as much on defense.

[nmeurett]

I think surrounding Parker with plus defenders like Giannis,Bledsoe and Middleton will hide his defensive woes a bit more then last year. If we can upgrade the center position with a guy like Robin Lopez I think it helps even more.

PG Bledsoe
SG Middleton
SF Parker
PF Giannis
C Lopez/DJ

I think I prefer Lopez over DJ as he has a few years where he is signed and shouldn't cost much plus can stretch the floor a bit.

[TroyD92]

Let's face it, none of us have any idea what his trade value is. Certainly two major injuries and his impending contract situation factor in immensely. If he signs a big/max deal and blows out a knee for a third time then getting a low second rounder now would be a great deal. We just don't know.

You are right it's difficult to say what GM's around the league value Jabari at this point. Some fans around the league still value him quite highly. I proposed a Henson/Jabari for Vucevic/Henjzonga trade on the Orlando board and every poster who replied said they would do the deal in a heartbeat. One guy even offered to come pick up Jabari.
I think Vucevic is a 2 years younger, poor-man's Kevin Love. Vucevic has a great contract at 12.5 per over the next two seasons. I think if we can get that type of value vs the risk we most certainly will have to take we do it.

That's one of the worst trades I've ever seen.

[LogitechBucks]

Let's face it, none of us have any idea what his trade value is. Certainly two major injuries and his impending contract situation factor in immensely. If he signs a big/max deal and blows out a knee for a third time then getting a low second rounder now would be a great deal. We just don't know.

You are right it's difficult to say what GM's around the league value Jabari at this point. Some fans around the league still value him quite highly. I proposed a Henson/Jabari for Vucevic/Henjzonga trade on the Orlando board and every poster who replied said they would do the deal in a heartbeat. One guy even offered to come pick up Jabari.
I think Vucevic is a 2 years younger, poor-man's Kevin Love. Vucevic has a great contract at 12.5 per over the next two seasons. I think if we can get that type of value vs the risk we most certainly will have to take we do it.

That's one of the worst trades I've ever seen.

Someone could propose Lebron for Jabari and you would say the same thing so your opinion means nothing to me.

[Wonka]

You are right it's difficult to say what GM's around the league value Jabari at this point. Some fans around the league still value him quite highly. I proposed a Henson/Jabari for Vucevic/Henjzonga trade on the Orlando board and every poster who replied said they would do the deal in a heartbeat. One guy even offered to come pick up Jabari.
I think Vucevic is a 2 years younger, poor-man's Kevin Love. Vucevic has a great contract at 12.5 per over the next two seasons. I think if we can get that type of value vs the risk we most certainly will have to take we do it.

That's one of the worst trades I've ever seen.

Someone could propose Lebron for Jabari and you would say the same thing so your opinion means nothing to me.

Yes and you think Vucevic is actually good instead of a good stats on a bad team guy, so your opinion means less than nothing. Vuc is a terrible, TERRIBLE defender. B-b-but he can shoot!

Back to the drawing board bud.

[Rainwater]

Dude we know you love Jabari and you would have the Bucks risk the teams future on the hope Jabari doesn't become Michael Redd. The way this guy runs and lands on foot foot when he jumps isn't going to change. We all had kids in high school who ran funny. Well Jabari is one of the guys. Jabari was big and strong and was able to excel athletically but all the time he was wearing down his lower extremities. You can't rewire your brain and lean how to run normal after 20 years of doing it the way he does. I guarantee within the next 24 months Jabari will be under the knife and we will be screwed.

Logical Bucks fans say move on get the best asset Jabari can bring back and move forwards in having success in the playoffs. Dreaming for a miracle outcome is what is,a fantasy.

The logical thing to do is to make a determination after his return.

No it is not. Jabari might seem fine for a few months but

know one can predict when it happens again

. It would be illogical to gamble by waiting. We could add a player now who helps increase our playoff standings and help us win in the playoffs. We also avoid the drama of negotiating with his communist agent who most certainly try to hold the Bucks hostage. Moving Jabari is the only logical choice. What you propose didn't work out so well in the past. Think of white kind of player we could have obtained before his second surgery. Now you suggest we go that route again? That is not logical at all.

No one can predict if the injury ever happens again either. You speak as if its a definite. Yes, it may be a gamble. But I would take the 4 month review period to determine the status of Jabari because if he maintains the same level of play as last year and continues improve this can be a boon for the bucks.

[RRyder823]

Let's face it, none of us have any idea what his trade value is. Certainly two major injuries and his impending contract situation factor in immensely. If he signs a big/max deal and blows out a knee for a third time then getting a low second rounder now would be a great deal. We just don't know.

You are right it's difficult to say what GM's around the league value Jabari at this point. Some fans around the league still value him quite highly. I proposed a Henson/Jabari for Vucevic/Henjzonga trade on the Orlando board and every poster who replied said they would do the deal in a heartbeat. One guy even offered to come pick up Jabari.
I think Vucevic is a 2 years younger, poor-man's Kevin Love. Vucevic has a great contract at 12.5 per over the next two seasons. I think if we can get that type of value vs the risk we most certainly will have to take we do it.

No **** they'd take that deal. It's freaking amazing for them

(Fyi if EVERY poster on a board says they'd do a trade in a heartbeat it's probably horrible for us)

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[LogitechBucks]

The logical thing to do is to make a determination after his return.

No it is not. Jabari might seem fine for a few months but

know one can predict when it happens again

. It would be illogical to gamble by waiting. We could add a player now who helps increase our playoff standings and help us win in the playoffs. We also avoid the drama of negotiating with his communist agent who most certainly try to hold the Bucks hostage. Moving Jabari is the only logical choice. What you propose didn't work out so well in the past. Think of white kind of player we could have obtained before his second surgery. Now you suggest we go that route again? That is not logical at all.

No one can predict if the injury ever happens again either. You speak as if its a definite. Yes, it may be a gamble. But I would take the 4 month review period to determine the status of Jabari because if he maintains the same level of play as last year and continues improve this can be a boon for the bucks.

At this point its more likely than not that Jabari struggles with injuries going forward and that's enough for me. Derrick Rose ring a bell? We can't go very far with Henson on the floor so trading Jabari for a big improvement in our starting lineup makes more sense than hoping and praying. The 4th seed or better would be ours for the taking but we risk losing games we should win with John Henson as our starting center.

[TroyD92]

Let's face it, none of us have any idea what his trade value is. Certainly two major injuries and his impending contract situation factor in immensely. If he signs a big/max deal and blows out a knee for a third time then getting a low second rounder now would be a great deal. We just don't know.

You are right it's difficult to say what GM's around the league value Jabari at this point. Some fans around the league still value him quite highly. I proposed a Henson/Jabari for Vucevic/Henjzonga trade on the Orlando board and every poster who replied said they would do the deal in a heartbeat. One guy even offered to come pick up Jabari.
I think Vucevic is a 2 years younger, poor-man's Kevin Love. Vucevic has a great contract at 12.5 per over the next two seasons. I think if we can get that type of value vs the risk we most certainly will have to take we do it.

No **** they'd take that deal. It's freaking amazing for them

(Fyi if EVERY poster on a board says they'd do a trade in a heartbeat it's probably horrible for us)

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This dude has some PP25 ROLO reminiscent infatuation with Vucevic

[Rainwater]

No it is not. Jabari might seem fine for a few months but . It would be illogical to gamble by waiting. We could add a player now who helps increase our playoff standings and help us win in the playoffs. We also avoid the drama of negotiating with his communist agent who most certainly try to hold the Bucks hostage. Moving Jabari is the only logical choice. What you propose didn't work out so well in the past. Think of white kind of player we could have obtained before his second surgery. Now you suggest we go that route again? That is not logical at all.

No one can predict if the injury ever happens again either. You speak as if its a definite. Yes, it may be a gamble. But I would take the 4 month review period to determine the status of Jabari because if he maintains the same level of play as last year and continues improve this can be a boon for the bucks.

At this point its more likely than not that Jabari struggles with injuries going forward and that's enough for me. Derrick Rose ring a bell? We can't go very far with Henson on the floor so trading Jabari for a big improvement in our starting lineup makes more sense than hoping and praying. The 4th seed or better would be ours for the taking but we risk losing games we should win with John Henson as our starting center.

That's another assumption, I would rather see him play before making that determination.

[Rainwater]

Let's face it, none of us have any idea what his trade value is. Certainly two major injuries and his impending contract situation factor in immensely. If he signs a big/max deal and blows out a knee for a third time then getting a low second rounder now would be a great deal. We just don't know.

You are right it's difficult to say what GM's around the league value Jabari at this point. Some fans around the league still value him quite highly. I proposed a Henson/Jabari for Vucevic/Henjzonga trade on the Orlando board and every poster who replied said they would do the deal in a heartbeat. One guy even offered to come pick up Jabari.
I think Vucevic is a 2 years younger, poor-man's Kevin Love. Vucevic has a great contract at 12.5 per over the next two seasons. I think if we can get that type of value vs the risk we most certainly will have to take we do it.

No **** they'd take that deal. It's freaking amazing for them

(Fyi if EVERY poster on a board says they'd do a trade in a heartbeat it's probably horrible for us)

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Pretty much. Vucevic is bascially Monroe and Henjzonga doesn't even play. They basically get Jabari for nothing.

[LogitechBucks]

No one can predict if the injury ever happens again either. You speak as if its a definite. Yes, it may be a gamble. But I would take the 4 month review period to determine the status of Jabari because if he maintains the same level of play as last year and continues improve this can be a boon for the bucks.

At this point its more likely than not that Jabari struggles with injuries going forward and that's enough for me. Derrick Rose ring a bell? We can't go very far with Henson on the floor so trading Jabari for a big improvement in our starting lineup makes more sense than hoping and praying. The 4th seed or better would be ours for the taking but we risk losing games we should win with John Henson as our starting center.

That's another assumption, I would rather see him play before making that determination.

ok let's see him play for approximately 4 months. Does that mean he is less likely to blow out his knee the following season? If my memory is correct, he played great for 4 months before his second blown out knee. So seeing what he does will tell us very little as to what is going to happen going forward. Meanwhile we just sit back and waste a golden opportunity, one of which has not presented itself in a very long time. I would says that's illogical and I think Spock would concur.

[TroyD92]

At this point its more likely than not that Jabari struggles with injuries going forward and that's enough for me. Derrick Rose ring a bell? We can't go very far with Henson on the floor so trading Jabari for a big improvement in our starting lineup makes more sense than hoping and praying. The 4th seed or better would be ours for the taking but we risk losing games we should win with John Henson as our starting center.

That's another assumption, I would rather see him play before making that determination.

ok let's see him play for approximately 4 months. Does that mean he is less likely to blow out his knee the following season? If my memory is correct, he plaid great for 4 months before his second blown out knee. So seeing what he does will tell us very little as to what is going to happen going forward. Meanwhile we just sit back and waste a golden opportunity, one of which has not presented itself in a very long time. I would says that's illogical and I think Spock would concur.

Vucevic sucks. So I don't understand this great opportunity you speak of.

[Rainwater]

At this point its more likely than not that Jabari struggles with injuries going forward and that's enough for me. Derrick Rose ring a bell? We can't go very far with Henson on the floor so trading Jabari for a big improvement in our starting lineup makes more sense than hoping and praying. The 4th seed or better would be ours for the taking but we risk losing games we should win with John Henson as our starting center.

That's another assumption, I would rather see him play before making that determination.

ok let's see him play for approximately 4 months. Does that mean he is less likely to blow out his knee the following season? If my memory is correct, he plaid great for 4 months before his second blown out knee. So seeing what he does will tell us very little as to what is going to happen going forward. Meanwhile we just sit back and waste a golden opportunity, one of which has not presented itself in a very long time. I would says that's illogical and I think Spock would concur.

All I am saying is that no one can predicted the future, no one knows how an injury can effect a player. There are no definite or absolutes. There are many determining factors. You can be Steph Curry, Embiid, Jason Kidd, DSJ or you can be Grant Hill, Yao Ming, Derrick Rose, Brandon Roy. I get it you believe Jabari is with the latter group, I believe he is with the former. You want to cut ties and have lost faith, well i have not. I am willing to give him the time.