2020 Presidential Election Thread: IT'S THE FINAL (vote) COUNTDOWN! [update pg 61: Joe Biden elected 46th POTUS]

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[robillionaire]

All you doom and gloomers and naysayers that believed Trump would steal the election can come out and breath easy now. Democracy actually works.

He’s still holed up in a bunker behind walls with no signs yet he will accept this result. So yeah I’ll breathe a little easier but even more when he’s physically been put out on the street

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[El Poochio]

I am just curious, are all of you big Biden fans, or are you on bandwagon because Trump has to go? Personally, I didnt like Biden at all, out of all Democrat candidates, I liked him the least honestly. I am just glad Trump would be gone, but its not like America got someone great to lead them.

Bernie Sanders is still the GOAT

[Capn'O]

Indeed.

While "Build Back Better" was simple, it was not effective. We need something that really strikes passion in voters. "Make America Great Again" was extremely effective because even the acronym is as (if not more so) meaningful as the phrase itself. I mean we're also using MAGA as an adjective. And as a federal employee, acronyms are life at work. Surely they can make something up that gets people rilled up for all the right reasons this time.

Why is there all this post-mortem talk about the campaign? Biden is about to beat an incumbent - who for all his faults has a rabid base and the voting power of those that vote red regardless. He didn't get swift boated and stayed out of Trump's way when he was self destructing. Biden keeps it pretty simple already, imo. As much as I liked her, it's not like they ran Warren. I thought he ran a solid campaign.

I really don't think dumbing it down is the way to go. Governing well is really hard. I think that point needs to be sold better. You need people with knowledge and experience of how to do it. How to listen to and distill complex advice from hundreds of staffers and experts.

I'm just still concerned that moving forward, what our message should be. We still need to get through to some folks in these deep red states at some point and so far, our messaging has sucked. If we don't, gaining ground there will never happen.

Hopefully, we can get more Stacey Abrams types in other areas. She really did her thing in GA.

I've never lived in the South, nor midwest... what messaging do you think breaks through? It seemed like there was a Sanders/Trump crossover for those that were protectionist but not necessarily racists. I also think M4A could be packaged well more universally. But I think it's a fundamentally different message than the one that the Dems currently have that gets it done. I.e. it's not the hat, it's the bull. And I don't want the authoritarianism or supremacy/xenophobia messaging to seep in either.

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WHERE DEY ATTT

[Strick]

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[Pointgod]

Why is there all this post-mortem talk about the campaign? Biden is about to beat an incumbent - who for all his faults has a rabid base and the voting power of those that vote red regardless. He didn't get swift boated and stayed out of Trump's way when he was self destructing. Biden keeps it pretty simple already, imo. As much as I liked her, it's not like they ran Warren. I thought he ran a solid campaign.

I really don't think dumbing it down is the way to go. Governing well is really hard. I think that point needs to be sold better. You need people with knowledge and experience of how to do it. How to listen to and distill complex advice from hundreds of staffers and experts.

I'm just still concerned that moving forward, what our message should be. We still need to get through to some folks in these deep red states at some point and so far, our messaging has sucked. If we don't, gaining ground there will never happen.

Hopefully, we can get more Stacey Abrams types in other areas. She really did her thing in GA.

I've never lived in the South, nor midwest... what messaging do you think breaks through? It seemed like there was a Sanders/Trump crossover for those that were protectionist but not necessarily racists. I also think M4A could be packaged well more universally. But I think it's a fundamentally different message than the one that the Dems currently have that gets it done. I.e. it's not the hat, it's the bull. And I don't want the authoritarianism or supremacy/xenophobia messaging to seep in either.

Stacy Abrams laid out the blue print for the south. Engage black voters and get them to turn out! It’s not a policy issue. Those Sanders/Trump crossover voters hated Hillary more than they love their country. I agree Democrats need to change their approach and move away from trying to appeal to white republican light voters. There’s a strategy that focuses on suburbs and urban centres that activates new black, Latino, and young voters but doesn’t alienate suburban white left leaning voters. The myth of the centre voter is officially dead

[robillionaire]

Why is there all this post-mortem talk about the campaign? Biden is about to beat an incumbent - who for all his faults has a rabid base and the voting power of those that vote red regardless. He didn't get swift boated and stayed out of Trump's way when he was self destructing. Biden keeps it pretty simple already, imo. As much as I liked her, it's not like they ran Warren. I thought he ran a solid campaign.

I really don't think dumbing it down is the way to go. Governing well is really hard. I think that point needs to be sold better. You need people with knowledge and experience of how to do it. How to listen to and distill complex advice from hundreds of staffers and experts.

I'm just still concerned that moving forward, what our message should be. We still need to get through to some folks in these deep red states at some point and so far, our messaging has sucked. If we don't, gaining ground there will never happen.

Hopefully, we can get more Stacey Abrams types in other areas. She really did her thing in GA.

I've never lived in the South, nor midwest... what messaging do you think breaks through? It seemed like there was a Sanders/Trump crossover for those that were protectionist but not necessarily racists. I also think M4A could be packaged well more universally. But I think it's a fundamentally different message than the one that the Dems currently have that gets it done. I.e. it's not the hat, it's the bull. And I don't want the authoritarianism or supremacy/xenophobia messaging to seep in either.

I’m from the south. Obama won Florida twice. Ohio twice. North Carolina. Iowa. Indiana. There are some states that have been given up on that can actually be in play. But message has to be one that inspires hope and change but it has to be more than just platitudes because people are sick of that too. Get that yes we can mindset back except this time actually do it when you get a chance. Let’s get a black led multi racial movement that actually fights for the working class. Can’t just be one or the other

[Oscirus]

I am just curious, are all of you big Biden fans, or are you on bandwagon because Trump has to go? Personally, I didnt like Biden at all, out of all Democrat candidates, I liked him the least honestly. I am just glad Trump would be gone, but its not like America got someone great to lead them.

Shiyit. There were all flawed candidates, but if Im gonna go with any of them, it would be with the one that was vetted by Obama. I have no problems with him as a vp so likely wont have a problem with him as president.

Now to see what kamala does as vp

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[mpharris36]

I never understood why Americans have this electoral point system, what is wrong with just popular vote, every vote counts the same and is as important. Now if I am republican in California, basically my vote means nothing, or am I getting it wrong?

Let me first state that it is difficult for any system to be perfect. Even a popular vote has its concerns. The population of NYC alone is greater than I think 38 or 39 states in the US. So the point was to not have a couple high density cities control elections. Now you have every right to be well whats the negative of that? Well you are going to have people living in high metropolitan cities significantly outweighing anyone else, when in theory people in high metropolitan cities get there goods and widgets from more rural areas. Its not like you have factories or massive farms just plopped down in NYC to service the state. Its great to have the convenience of going to your local grocery store or fill up your tank of gas but the goods are manufactured and come from some place that needs to have land over population and those people no matter where they are from should have a say because many policies and foreign policy do effect factory workers/agriculture.

Its something one post or statement can't fully some up and I totally get the point of a popular vote but I kind of see it like Boxing. There are light weight champions and heavy weight campions...but if you put the light weight champions ever in the same weight class as a heavy weight champion you would never have a light weight champion they simply would not be able to ever win. Now for the most part most people remember heavy weight champions the most (ali, louis, foreman, tyson, hollyfield, frazier) but there wouldn't be any Floyd Mayweather or Pacquiao's if they had to fight way above there weight.

Ultimately no system is perfect and you can absolutely make the case the electoral college is outdated but I think there are concerns about just going with the majority when the majority comes from such a small (highly populated) portion of the entire country when peoples needs and wants are different all over.

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[Strick]

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Trust me I live in a red state big time and I’m cruising by houses with Trump flags hanging laughing hysterically like

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Trust me I live in a red state big time and I’m cruising by houses with Trump flags hanging laughing hysterically like

stay safe man

[Pointgod]

The 5 stages of grief:
1. Denial and isolation
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance.

Yeah well, I'm obviously not isolated. Denial is your opinion.

When Biden is declared the winner here in the next little bit I'm not going to rub it in on you even though you would have done so to us and totally deserve the mockery. Plus it's true that you, I, and others who didn't trust the polls or Nate Bronze were ultimately proven correct. I will say you might want to at least consider the idea that you are isolated, isolated in echo chambers of partisan propaganda through various far right websites that masquerade as news that may have heavily distorted your lens of reality, I mean just consider it. In fact I doubt you would have come back if you didn't read some kind of dose of hopium that told you Trump was still going to win the election by winning Arizona along with a bunch of lawsuits but maybe that dose is wearing off as it's becoming clear that's likely not going to be the case. But anyway I just hope you didn't lose a bunch of money betting on it, that would suck.

Fuuuck that! This thread has treated BallSac with kid gloves despite the vitriol and personal insults he threw at a lot of posters. I’m not going to be vicious but I’m going to have a lot of fun with him because I’m sure BallSac believes what he reads but I’ve told him numerous times that his sources are purposely misleading and misinformation. I’ve even cited conservative sources that are legitimate news but he refused to listen and stayed stubborn till the end

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Why is there all this post-mortem talk about the campaign? Biden is about to beat an incumbent - who for all his faults has a rabid base and the voting power of those that vote red regardless. He didn't get swift boated and stayed out of Trump's way when he was self destructing. Biden keeps it pretty simple already, imo. As much as I liked her, it's not like they ran Warren. I thought he ran a solid campaign.

I really don't think dumbing it down is the way to go. Governing well is really hard. I think that point needs to be sold better. You need people with knowledge and experience of how to do it. How to listen to and distill complex advice from hundreds of staffers and experts.

I'm just still concerned that moving forward, what our message should be. We still need to get through to some folks in these deep red states at some point and so far, our messaging has sucked. If we don't, gaining ground there will never happen.

Hopefully, we can get more Stacey Abrams types in other areas. She really did her thing in GA.

I've never lived in the South, nor midwest... what messaging do you think breaks through? It seemed like there was a Sanders/Trump crossover for those that were protectionist but not necessarily racists. I also think M4A could be packaged well more universally. But I think it's a fundamentally different message than the one that the Dems currently have that gets it done. I.e. it's not the hat, it's the bull. And I don't want the authoritarianism or supremacy/xenophobia messaging to seep in either.

Like PointGod mentioned, engage the people directly and get them to vote. Depending on the area, we need to focus on the demographics that have been voter suppressed and voter depressed. It may be majority Black voters in one area, or it could be majority Native American in another. We basically just need people to do the groundwork and do all of the little things to get the message that the Democratic party is worth getting out of your house to vote for. People don't want to be told to vote for someone just because the other person suck.

And as I mentioned, we simply need people to tell others that politics start on the local level. Vote for the state reps in your neighborhood for the change you want. Vote for the bills that could make marijuana legal in every state for example. We need to message better that you don't just go to vote every four years. Every election matters.

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[mpharris36]

And as I mentioned, we simply need people to tell others that politics start on the local level. Vote for the state reps in your neighborhood for the change you want. Vote for the bills that could make marijuana legal in every state for example. We need to message better that you don't just go to vote every four years. Every election matters.

I think this is ultimately one of my favorite messages. The president is a figure head for the most part. Local officials and reps are the most important and people need to hold them accountable and vote for people that will make a difference whichever side of the fence you are on.